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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Assault rifles are less than a 1/2 of a percent of criminal activity in america. If that .5% is all the justification the government needs..... then god help us all.
    What about assault rifles being used in mass shootings? The percentage is higher than in criminal activity. Do you think that guy who did the shooting at the Dark Knight theatre would have killed more people with a hand gun instead of an assault rifle? Sandy Hook is another one. Obama is trying to reduce tragedies like these from happening.


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    One thing that is clear: Guns are effective lethal weapons. “If there were no guns, the lethality of crimes would be less,” says Wellford. “You can’t have a drive-by knifing.”

    In all cases of injury prevention, says Hemenway, the agent, or method, involved makes a difference. On Dec. 14, the day of the shooting in Newtown, another attack occurred at an elementary school in China. The attacker there had a knife, and injured 22 kids and one adult. But no one was killed. Why the stark difference in fatalities? “The answer is the type of weapon they had,” Hemenway says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C230K View Post
    What about assault rifles being used in mass shootings? The percentage is higher than in criminal activity. Do you think that guy who did the shooting at the Dark Knight theatre would have killed more people with a hand gun instead of an assault rifle? Sandy Hook is another one. Obama is trying to reduce tragedies like these from happening.


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    One thing that is clear: Guns are effective lethal weapons. “If there were no guns, the lethality of crimes would be less,” says Wellford. “You can’t have a drive-by knifing.”

    In all cases of injury prevention, says Hemenway, the agent, or method, involved makes a difference. On Dec. 14, the day of the shooting in Newtown, another attack occurred at an elementary school in China. The attacker there had a knife, and injured 22 kids and one adult. But no one was killed. Why the stark difference in fatalities? “The answer is the type of weapon they had,” Hemenway says.
    Sweet.... fact checkers.... the same people who told us that Mitt Romney told the biggest lie of the campaign when he said that Jeep was going to China. Obama and the liberal media thugs attacked him relentlessly over that accusation. The worker's at Jeep even turned on him and publicly called him a liar.

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    America doesnt have a gun problem, we have a crime problem. You're only looking at one side of the coin if you judge guns based on gun crime alone. Even in a country where guns are so prevalent, 5000+ home invasions happen a day in the US. Do you think the absence of guns will help or hurt with that? Given the number of guns in the US, how long do you think it would take before guns were actually removed from society even if you did get your wish? 50 years? 100 years? 200 years?.... Also, people invented guns. They werent gifts that the government passed out. If you removed purchasable weapons, people would create weapons. Banning assault weapons accomplishes absolutely nothing. It's nothing more than a feel good in your face america story for liberal parasites who wish to reconstruct the country as they see fit. I was watching the SOTU and afterwards they interviewed some bleeding heart liberal who probably had to hide the boner in his pants he was so happy.... and this guy said something along the lines of....

    "wow, if Obama gets everything he wants, this will be a completely different country in 5 years"

    Though this guy said it with a smile on his face and with utmost confidence.... i thought to myself... "and thats the fucking problem".....

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    Quote Originally Posted by C230K
    In all cases of injury prevention, says Hemenway, the agent, or method, involved makes a difference. On Dec. 14, the day of the shooting in Newtown, another attack occurred at an elementary school in China. The attacker there had a knife, and injured 22 kids and one adult. But no one was killed. Why the stark difference in fatalities? “The answer is the type of weapon they had,” Hemenway says.
    Actually, it was not the type of weapon. It was the intention of the criminal. He intentionally slashed instead of stabbed - knowing that he would not actually kill at the school. Factcheck was probably only were able to look at the English version published with the video. He did stab the old woman when he broke into her house, so he did use stabbing as well. Look at the Chinese publications on the attack.

    Regardless, 25 students have been killed in random knife attacks in China since 2010, with 110 injured. When will they ban all these dangerous knives in China?
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    I'm going to have to say it would be FAR easier to kill 20 people with a gun than kill 20 people with a knife. It takes barely any time to go pop pop pop at people versus walking up and stabbing someone one by one without anyone tackling you. There's no argument here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett View Post
    I'm going to have to say it would be FAR easier to kill 20 people with a gun than kill 20 people with a knife. It takes barely any time to go pop pop pop at people versus walking up and stabbing someone one by one without anyone tackling you. There's no argument here.
    It depends on the situation and location. Who is able to fight back in an elementary school room? The tool doesn't make a difference there, as first graders can't fight an adult. If someone wants to do evil, they will find a way. We need to address the source, whixh is the person commiting the crime. Removing the tools from law-abiding citizens will not prevent these situations - and Obama stated it during his SOTU address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett View Post
    I'm going to have to say it would be FAR easier to kill 20 people with a gun than kill 20 people with a knife. It takes barely any time to go pop pop pop at people versus walking up and stabbing someone one by one without anyone tackling you. There's no argument here.
    You cant have freedom without the freedom to do bad things. Freedom is dangerous...... we knew that when we founded this country.


    You could kill a building full of people with supplies from home depot. If you take one tool away, the next tool is picked up. You will never prevent evil people from doing evil things by banning inanimate objects. In this case..... the government isnt even seeking to ban the criminals "tool" of choice. Assault rifles are RARELY used in crimes..... AR is just an agreeable mascot used to manipulate the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    It depends on the situation and location. Who is able to fight back in an elementary school room? The tool doesn't make a difference there, as first graders can't fight an adult. If someone wants to do evil, they will find a way. We need to address the source, whixh is the person commiting the crime. Removing the tools from law-abiding citizens will not prevent these situations - and Obama stated it during his SOTU address.
    TEACHERS can stop a knife slinging crazy man though, with a gun, it may be harder. There's absolutely no debate that a gun is the easiest weapon to obtain that can cause the most damage. Does that mean ban them? No, so Sinfix don't get all pissy with this comment, I'm just saying though, guns make it easy to kill quickly in numbers.

    A guy with a knife snuck in my mom's school when she was teaching, he was tackled by a few teachers, they got the knife, and held him down while the police arrived. If he had a gun, I think it's safe to assume the outcome would have been much different. Say what you want about security measures or whatever, but a gun vs a knife the gun is the deadlier weapon.

    "You brought a knife to a gun fight."

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    You cant have freedom without the freedom to do bad things. Freedom is dangerous...... we knew that when we founded this country.


    You could kill a building full of people with supplies from home depot. If you take one tool away, the next tool is picked up. You will never prevent evil people from doing evil things by banning inanimate objects. In this case..... the government isnt even seeking to ban the criminals "tool" of choice. Assault rifles are RARELY used in crimes..... AR is just an agreeable mascot used to manipulate the masses.
    You ALWAYS bring up assault rifles. lol

    I'm saying a GUN, I pistol, shotgun, rifle who cares, is a better tool to kill a mass number than a hammer, knife, brick, whatever. Let me guess "a bomb would be better" guns are easy to obtain, cheap, and a moron can handle one.

    Like I said, I'm not saying ban guns, I'm just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett View Post
    TEACHERS can stop a knife slinging crazy man though, with a gun, it may be harder. There's absolutely no debate that a gun is the easiest weapon to obtain that can cause the most damage. Does that mean ban them? No, so Sinfix don't get all pissy with this comment, I'm just saying though, guns make it easy to kill quickly in numbers.

    A guy with a knife snuck in my mom's school when she was teaching, he was tackled by a few teachers, they got the knife, and held him down while the police arrived. If he had a gun, I think it's safe to assume the outcome would have been much different. Say what you want about security measures or whatever, but a gun vs a knife the gun is the deadlier weapon.

    "You brought a knife to a gun fight."



    You ALWAYS bring up assault rifles. lol

    I'm saying a GUN, I pistol, shotgun, rifle who cares, is a better tool to kill a mass number than a hammer, knife, brick, whatever. Let me guess "a bomb would be better" guns are easy to obtain, cheap, and a moron can handle one.

    Like I said, I'm not saying ban guns, I'm just saying.
    Assault rifles are a part of our culture. The belief that the 2nd amendment is partially to protect us from tyranny is a part of our culture. These are ideas that politicians have spent decades asking 18 year old men to die for and now they ask you to sit idle while they attempt to remove them.

    Freedom is dangerous....... founding fathers recognized that day one. If they could be awakened and asked about their intentions they wouldnt say "omg we didnt realize freedom was so dangerous, take it away" they would probably say "yeah, pretty much what we expected, who is this moron you elected president?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Assault rifles are a part of our culture. The belief that the 2nd amendment is partially to protect us from tyranny is a part of our culture. These are ideas that politicians have spent decades asking 18 year old men to die for and now they ask you to sit idle while they attempt to remove them.

    Freedom is dangerous....... founding fathers recognized that day one. If they could be awakened and asked about their intentions they wouldnt say "omg we didnt realize freedom was so dangerous, take it away" they would probably say "yeah, pretty much what we expected, who is this moron you elected president?"
    How does this response relate to mine? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett View Post
    TEACHERS can stop a knife slinging crazy man though, with a gun, it may be harder. There's absolutely no debate that a gun is the easiest weapon to obtain that can cause the most damage. Does that mean ban them? No, so Sinfix don't get all pissy with this comment, I'm just saying though, guns make it easy to kill quickly in numbers.

    A guy with a knife snuck in my mom's school when she was teaching, he was tackled by a few teachers, they got the knife, and held him down while the police arrived. If he had a gun, I think it's safe to assume the outcome would have been much different. Say what you want about security measures or whatever, but a gun vs a knife the gun is the deadlier weapon.
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    Chinese teachers were unable to save quite a few children from knife attacks. More than at Sandy Hook. Even if you remove guns completely from society, you haven't solved the real problem. That's a fact.
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