so I had chick-fil-a this morning

[bodhi]

sinfix, bro, like i said you haven't seen the other threads where i provided geoff with links to actual studies, to videos that go in depth about religion, to fossil records, detailed posts with tons of facts about evolution and the similarities in human and ape dna.
i could forward you to some, but that's not gonna change anything. i rarely use the bible against him because that's not what he wants to hear. i read his posts but he doesn't since he refuses to understand this side of the argument

i won't bother explaining any further

but i will say this, a strawberry shake plus a fresco melt pwns that late night menu...fact

[bodhi]

geoff, i would love to but unfortunately i don't have much free-time on my hands...

perhaps some other time

i usually stop by IA for a week or so then leave for a year. if the illuminati doesn't take me out or nibiru doesn't crash into earth by then im down to battle you next year. hows that sound, bro?


it's been fun, guys.

[geoff]

Hey 12/21/12 man. If we make it all out alive then I'm down. Take care of yourself man

[DynamicSound]

I just add this...

[Elbow]

Hey 12/21/12 man. If we make it all out alive then I'm down. Take care of yourself man

You believe that shit but you expect anyone in this thread to take you serious?

LOL

[ItODDospeed]

You are referring to Thomas Jefferson's letter to Joseph Priestly in 1801. You need to read it in context.

Well I did, but it was statements I was referring to, not a single letter. There are far more founding members of the Constitution whom believe the same. Moreover, in that letter that you posted, it implies the backwards thinking of Christians rather than the progression of science for modern thought. That thought reigns today by most Christians, and the easiest example is Creationism Vs. Evolution.

You need to read and understand what was implied by the context of the letter you quoted.

[ItODDospeed]

I also would like to state that Dan Cathy has the right to say what he wants. I believe in freedom of speech, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I don't agree with what Cathy said, but I'll still eat me some CF-A. We all have the right to believe what we choose, that's a foundation of the U.S.

IMO, some of the actions, protests and completely ignorant comments that have been stated bother me; especially, as a U.S. citizen, but we all have the right to feel the way we want.

If you don't know, here it is, religion is a BELIEF - there is no science to support "God", ghosts, spirits, an after-life or "Jesus." The differences in time between the Old and New Testament is 500 years - are you or anyone gonna say that's not a Human Doctrine?

Christians need to stop pushing their beliefs on others.

"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."

[geoff]

Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...

[Elbow]

Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...

So you have PERSONALLY been to a gay pride parade and seen with your own eyes guys pull their meat sausage out and wave it around?

If you have, you should probably hate the majority of straight people as well, specifically slutty females that show their breasts in public or those who make out in a public area.

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Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...

Why do you keep bringing up things that are totally irrelevant to the conversation? Indecent exposure and child molestation (what you can be charged with if you whip your junk out in front of a child) has nothing to do with religions forcing their dogma on everyone.

[ItODDospeed]

Well that's a Gay Pride Parade, and if I saw that I'd be grossed out. We do have public decency laws, and they apply to Gay Pride Events as well. For that matter lesbians could show breasts, but funny how that wasn't put into light by you. Next time you're at a Gay Pride Parade accessing the penises being shown, you should call the police. You focus a lot on penises and homosexuality...

Geoff, it's funny how you said I compared when it was a quote, and that was denoted by the quotation marks surrounding the quote. Grammar 101.

[geoff]

Sinfix: I've seen the movie "Bruno" and I have a gay friend who told me all about his first parade. I have never been to one nor will I ever.

Blank: Simon brought it up man. It's just funny the comparison he made.

[ItODDospeed]

So you have PERSONALLY been to a gay pride parade and seen with your own eyes guys pull their meat sausage out and wave it around?

If you have, you should probably hate the majority of straight people as well, specifically slutty females that show their breasts in public or those who make out in a public area.

Why do you keep bringing up things that are totally irrelevant to the conversation? Indecent exposure and child molestation (what you can be charged with if you whip your junk out in front of a child) has nothing to do with religions forcing their dogma on everyone.

Hahaaa, I couldn't even type it fast enough before y'all got to the point. *chuckle-snort*

[geoff]

Like I said. I found it ironic. As far as lesbians go, lots of them enjoy the company of a man every now and then.

[ItODDospeed]

oops...I double posted...

[bu villain]

You answered a question with a question and i can answer it with the same question i asked you to begin with. Why change a tradition that a large portion of christians hold sacred? Why arent gay people happy with civil unions? they can be together, they can live together, they get benefits? why arent that happy with that?

Because they want the title "married". The same way christians want that title to remain between a man and woman. Who's right? neither? both?.... so there needs to be a compromise.

Because marriage is both a Christian tradition and a legal status. While they share the same name and roots, they are not the same thing. Gays aren't trying to change the Christian tradition, they are trying to change the legal status definition. That's why you don't see gays protesting church's for not marrying them. In the states where civil unions have been granted, they have not had ALL the benefits of heterosexual marriage. If they did, I personally think many gays would be more willing to compromise on the terminology.

[C230K]

I just add this...

I already beat you to it:p

oops...I double posted...

nobody is paying attention to you

[bu villain]

Currently, it is legally defined in each state. Just get enough people to tell their state congressman to change the law. It's that simple, but the gay community doesn't seem to be interested in doing it the proper legal way.

What exactly are they doing that is illegal? Much of our country's application of law is not based on popular vote. Shit, I wish I got to vote on the Citizens United decision.

[ItODDospeed]

nobody is paying attention to you

And yet you replied.

GFYS.

[quickdodge®]

It is everyone's problem when they do not wish to follow the process to properly change the law. Everyone else has to petition their state congressmen when they want a marriage law changed, why should a specific special interest minority group be allowed to overthrow the normal process?

In 1996, GA enacted section 19-3-3.1 in the Georgia Code, stopping gay marriage in other states from being recognized in GA. The gay community has not even bothered to make much of a challenge to the law.

In 2004, GA's state congress passed SR 595, which ameded the GA state Constitution to define marriage as one man - one woman. Again, the gay community has not mounted any real challenge to the law.

Why can't the gay community work to change the GA law through the legal process? Do they think that they cannot get enough support?

I don't know, dude. I guess I just don't care enough to make it a concern for me. I guess I'd like to be at a point in my life where I could let other people's issues be my issues. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

I also would like to state that Dan Cathy has the right to say what he wants. I believe in freedom of speech, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I don't agree with what Cathy said, but I'll still eat me some CF-A. We all have the right to believe what we choose, that's a foundation of the U.S.

IMO, some of the actions, protests and completely ignorant comments that have been stated bother me; especially, as a U.S. citizen, but we all have the right to feel the way we want.

If you don't know, here it is, religion is a BELIEF - there is no science to support "God", ghosts, spirits, an after-life or "Jesus." The differences in time between the Old and New Testament is 500 years - are you or anyone gonna say that's not a Human Doctrine?

Christians need to stop pushing their beliefs on others.

"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."

classic.

[Sinfix_15]

Because marriage is both a Christian tradition and a legal status. While they share the same name and roots, they are not the same thing. Gays aren't trying to change the Christian tradition, they are trying to change the legal status definition. That's why you don't see gays protesting church's for not marrying them. In the states where civil unions have been granted, they have not had ALL the benefits of heterosexual marriage. If they did, I personally think many gays would be more willing to compromise on the terminology.

[bu villain]

Sure, many will not be happy with anything less than "marriage" because as I said, to have two different words under the law implies they are not the same as married people. You still haven't addressed the fact that the church's definition and the legal definition don't have to be the same.

[David88vert]

you're guilty of the same thing he is, but actually more so. You use "not true because it's in the bible" at least as much as he uses the the bible as a reference. You cant declare that you're right on the issue of religion and say that he's wrong anytime he uses the bible. You dont win arguments from thinking that you're right.... hell, i think i'm right about everything. I'll consider the argument "won" when i convince you that i'm right. So far, Geoff doesnt seem to be anywhere near considering your argument.

"im right, you're stupid" is not winning an argument. I want to make Geoff second guess the bible or to produce a question that he cant find the answer for, anything that changes his way of thinking. Then i will consider that a victory. Declaring yourself the winner of an argument is usually a sign that you're not winning an argument. If you have to declare to the other person that you're right, your argument obviously wasnt that compelling.

and as previously stated.... again, you walk the path i laid out for you and responded to me the same way you do Geoff, with a declaration of your own perceived intellect followed by an insult. You know this isnt a rap battle right?

There is really no victory in convincing anyone of anything. If everyone agreed, then we would just be robots. It's ok to not agree.

[David88vert]

geoff, i would love to but unfortunately i don't have much free-time on my hands...

perhaps some other time

i usually stop by IA for a week or so then leave for a year. if the illuminati doesn't take me out or nibiru doesn't crash into earth by then im down to battle you next year. hows that sound, bro?


it's been fun, guys.

We will all be gone in December. The Mayans said so.

[David88vert]

Hey 12/21/12 man. If we make it all out alive then I'm down. Take care of yourself man

Where is that date in the Bible??????

[David88vert]

Well I did, but it was statements I was referring to, not a single letter. There are far more founding members of the Constitution whom believe the same. Moreover, in that letter that you posted, it implies the backwards thinking of Christians rather than the progression of science for modern thought. That thought reigns today by most Christians, and the easiest example is Creationism Vs. Evolution.

You need to read and understand what was implied by the context of the letter you quoted.

I've read most of Jefferson's writings, as well as most of the founding fathers. I understand quite well.

[David88vert]

Because marriage is both a Christian tradition and a legal status. While they share the same name and roots, they are not the same thing. Gays aren't trying to change the Christian tradition, they are trying to change the legal status definition. That's why you don't see gays protesting church's for not marrying them. In the states where civil unions have been granted, they have not had ALL the benefits of heterosexual marriage. If they did, I personally think many gays would be more willing to compromise on the terminology.

Interestingly, they have not had any of our state congressmen submit a resolution calling for marriage to be re-defined. They have not tried to change the law in the correct legal way at all - instead, they have mounted a media blitz and have attempted to find a way to force the federal government to override the states' rights and go outside the correct legal process that everyone else has to follow.
Don't you think that if the majority of Georgian's wanted marriage to be redefined for same-sex marriages that it would be passed? The fact is that Georgians supported the Defense of Marriage Act in 2004 overwhelmingly.

[David88vert]

What exactly are they doing that is illegal? Much of our country's application of law is not based on popular vote. Shit, I wish I got to vote on the Citizens United decision.

As I stated, the marriage license laws are defined at a state level. Georgia has overwhelmingly voted to clarify the definition of marriage as man-woman in 2004. There are no resolutions being promoted in the state legislature to change that. Instead, the gay community wishes to have DC override the states area of management of marriage laws and redefine it from a federal level. This is not how the structure of government was setup, nor has ever been managed like this. it is against everything the founding fathers setup.

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This is not how the structure of government was setup, nor has ever been managed like this. it is against everything the founding fathers setup.

Class, can anyone tell David88 why this is incorrect? Can anyone think of any state and local laws that were nullified by a federal act in recent history? Maybe there's a REALLY important example?

[Echonova]

I'm going to post in this thread until everyone thinks like me.

[David88vert]

Class, can anyone tell David88 why this is incorrect? Can anyone think of any state and local laws that were nullified by a federal act in recent history? Maybe there's a REALLY important example?

Do you realize that the color of one's skin is not the same as the actions of an individual?
Do you realize that gay people are allowed to marry? They can legally marry anyone from the opposite sex that they choose. They have the same rights as anyone else.

Read the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, the Amendments, and case law, then come back.

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Do you realize that the color of one's skin is not the same as the actions of an individual?

What you don't realize (or fail to grasp anyway) is that, like skin color, sexual orientation is something some individuals have no control over. Discrimination is discrimination. Period. If you want to sugar coat it to make yourself sound less homophobic, go right ahead. But that's neither here nor there.

Read the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, the Amendments, and case law, then come back.

what are you talking about? Case law for what? Do you know what "case law" means?

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Do you realize that gay people are allowed to marry? They can legally marry anyone from the opposite sex that they choose. They have the same rights as anyone else.

This is not an equal right. I, as a straight man, want the right to marry the person I'm in love with, regardless of their gender.

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I'm going to post in this thread until everyone thinks like me.

I'm gonna post as long as beliefs are being touted as facts. Lol.

[David88vert]

What you don't realize (or fail to grasp anyway) is that, like skin color, sexual orientation is something some individuals have no control over. Discrimination is discrimination. Period. If you want to sugar coat it to make yourself sound less homophobic, go right ahead. But that's neither here nor there.

what are you talking about? Case law for what? Do you know what "case law" means?

Seriously, are you trying to say that a person has no choice on what he does/does not do? If you really believe that, then there is no help available for you. I choose my actions, and I am responsible for them. You appear to have no concept of personal responsibility. Make a choice, be responsible, and live with the consequences. The consequence for being gay is that you cannot legally marry your homosexual partner. That's a fact. It's also fact that gays can marry just like anyone else - to the opposite sex. It's also fact that they have the same rights to petition to have the law changed through the same process that everyone else has to go through (something you fail repeatedly to address, as you know it is true).
This is not oppression like slavery or racial discrimination, and is it unfair to our ancestors and heritage to treat it as being on the same level. Being black is not an action, and there is nothing that any of them could do about it.

Read through court rulings from the formation of the country up through now, and find where the federal judical branch overruled laws concerning state laws on gay marriage.
I'll give you a start:
Defining Marriage: Defense of Marriage Acts and Same-Sex Marriage Laws
Federal Appeals Court Invalidates California Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Note that 6 states have gay marriage - these states went through the legislative process. This is what I have stated multiple times that the gay community needs to do to have legal gay marriage. What part of that do you not understand?

[David88vert]

This is not an equal right. I, as a straight man, want the right to marry the person I'm in love with, regardless of their gender.

How is it not an equal right? Anyone is allowed to marry an opposite gender spouse, in any state in the USA.

[David88vert]

I'm gonna post as long as beliefs are being touted as facts. Lol.

That's going to be a lot of posts from you, as you keep stating as fact that your BELIEF that homosexuality is genetic (which does not have the consensus that you previously stated as fact, nor does it have the proof to be scientific fact).
BTW - It is fine for you to believe that, and take it completely on faith. Perhaps one day science will discover a genetic link and be able to prove it as scientific fact. They just can't do that right now.

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That's going to be a lot of posts from you, as you keep stating as fact that your BELIEF that homosexuality is genetic (which does not have the consensus that you previously stated as fact, nor does it have the proof to be scientific fact).
BTW - It is fine for you to believe that, and take it completely on faith. Perhaps one day science will discover a genetic link and be able to prove it as scientific fact. They just can't do that right now.

Hmm. Never said that. This whole time I've only asserted what has been scientifically researched, you told me I was wrong and then posted up information proving I was right and tried to use it to say I was wrong. Good job.

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This is not oppression like slavery or racial discrimination, and is it unfair to our ancestors and heritage to treat it as being on the same level.

Funny, black civil rights leaders would disagree with you. Actually, not that funny:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." -Coretta Scott King

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" -Martin Luther King Jr.