does this mean i'm a bad person?

[Sinfix_15]

right, but in your first post you said it was not good to hold traffic unless it was a person of significance... sooo your actually saying by agreeing with me that every funeral procession should be like that one

I dont think any funeral should have police enforced traffic stops, but i understand their are exceptions to be made even though i dont necessarily agree with those either. I dont value Tom Brady's life any more than someone who works at the supermarket (maybe i do), but i understand if there was a funeral for someone as notable as Tom Brady that it would probably stop traffic whether the police decided to or not. In this case, the police restricted the travel of everyone on the road to speed the travel of the funeral convoy. That is the only thing they accomplish. If the convoy traveled without escort, they would arrived 10-15 minutes later than they did and not effected anyone else on the road that day other than an influx of traffic, which i cant complain about since theyre entitled to use the roads the same as i am.

[1civic]

Although I agree with you on some points Sinfix_15, we as people are not alike... I would much rather have my ashes in a mud puddle than to have my family spend savings on some non-sense...

But as-for the topic I will say this!!

You didn't have to stop, but you did!!

[RL...]

It all comes down to this....if it was your mother/wife being buried.....would you still feel this same way or would you want to stop at every red light.

Im not religous at all but I feel that a persons death ceremony is worth a few minutes of a persons time waiting. I believe one of the biggest downfalls with our society is our lack of compassion for our fellow man.

[RL...]

Not trying to be a dick but you prob wasted more than 20 min of time in this thread...by choice.....so obviously time isn't something you're in short supply of.

[Rhys.]

It is annoying getting stuck at a light for 20 30 min but its just the way it is

[Sinfix_15]

Not trying to be a dick but you prob wasted more than 20 min of time in this thread...by choice.....so obviously time isn't something you're in short supply of.

i'm at my leisure now, wasnt the case earlier today.

[Got Milk?]

right, but in your first post you said it was not good to hold traffic unless it was a person of significance... sooo your actually saying by agreeing with me that every funeral procession should be like that one

lol (Reason that I'm giving up on this thread)

[-EnVus-]

When i go to sleep tonight im gonna pray for you Sinfix

[Julio]

http://www.prepaidfunerals.texas.gov/

[tnomud]

Bad Kharma. I don't care who it is, it's not that frequent of an event and should be treated respectfully. Just my .02.

[Sinfix_15]

When i go to sleep tonight im gonna pray for you Sinfix

Awesome. I had actually planned to start attending church again sometime this month (no joke)

[Elbow]

Awesome. I had actually planned to start attending church again sometime this month (no joke)

Because you feel something is missing or because you want to use what you hear to start more threads on the internet?

You should go, not sure what church you went to before, but maybe you won't make so many clueless comments like all Christians live for the afterlife or all want to be buried.

[BanginJimmy]

I dont mind a funeral being allowed to stay in line and move through red lights. What pisses me off is stopping traffic in both damn directions for one. I dont give a shit who died, Why am I stopping when it has no effect on the damn funeral? I was in the funeral procession for Zach Gamble and even then i was saying how stupid it was for people to be stopped on hwy 92 in Woodstock at 4:30. People say it is about showing respect for the dead, thats a crock of shit. You dont respect anyone you dont know, and if you say you do, you are only saying it because you think you are supposed to.

[David88vert]

I dont own the road. I share it. Nothing i do on the public road delays anyone else. Light is red, i stop. Stop sign, i stop. I never go cruising with 50 of my friends and ignore traffic signals.

The information provided said the avg cost of a funeral was $7500 in 2009 with a coffin alone potentially costing as high as $10k. I dont think that there's argument against the idea that the cost of funeral services greatly out weigh their value.

If the funeral convoys stopped and red lights, they wouldnt have interfered with my travel and i wouldnt have had any issue. Are you even reading? Doesnt appear so for someone so confident in questioning another's intelligence.

There's no need for the 75 cousins to be in a hurry. If they endanger themselves, that is their own fault. Everyone has some place to be, yet we all have to obey traffic laws and travel safely. Funeral appointment isnt an excuse to drive recklessly. Leave early like the rest of us.

I gladly pull over for emergency vehicles as i respect their need for urgency and the lives theyre attempting to save in addition to the risk they have to their own. There's absolutely no relation between that and a group of people participating in a (i guess debatable) religious ceremony. No need for someone who passed away to be in a hurry. I understand the need for an ambulance to be in a hurry.

You're right, if i chose to speed, its my fault. Same for the 75 cousins if they chose to ignore traffic signs in an effort to arrive at the same time.

There's no law against me being delayed on public streets, however.... i have a right to use public streets, i must follow the laws of the road and expect everyone else to do the same. I dont feel a (debatabale) religious custom is more important than anyone else's need to get somewhere on time. Maybe stuck in traffic there was a soldier going home to see his wife and kids for the first time in a year, maybe someone who had been unemployed for a year was on their way to a job interview, maybe a single mother who was driving a car without air conditioning had her toddler on board... i can think of a million reasons that are more justified than rushing a group of people to a funeral home so they can have their guilt exploited by a 15 billion $ a year business that uses religious ignorance to pressure people into thinking that spending their hard earned money on a burial ceremony is an honor to the deceased.

Burial ceremony has multiple religious ties and origins, i honestly dont understand how you're denying this.

I do not wish to stop people from peacefully assembling to bury their dead. Even though i am an Atheist, i respect people of all religions rights to do anything they please. They can put together a convoy of 150 cars and travel to the park for a prayer meeting to drink cookies and punch.... that's perfectly fine... hell, i may stop and share a cookie with them...... however........................................... .... i expect every single one of them to stop at red lights.

I am individual. My actions are my own and reflect only on myself.

Do you realize that a police escort is there to direct traffic? You say you stop for red lights, which are traffic control devices. Police instruction overrides automated traffic control devices, and the officer takes the role of traffic control.
If you are going to complain about the police performing traffic control duties, then you might as well say that all red lights, train crossings, stop signs, etc, delay you from your planned time of commute. Why don't you complain about all instances of road construction, and say that all train crossings should be elevated.
So, if you are in a funeral procession, and the officer blocks the intersection, and you stop for the red light, you are in violation of the law.
Have you considered that perhaps the police know how to direct traffic for a burial better than you do? Perhaps they know more about public safety, and have already determined that controling the intersection is in the interest of public safety?


Obey the law, suck it up, and get on with life. Not everything goes as you want it to in life, get over it.

BTW - One of my aunts was a commited atheist, she still chose to be buried, and had a police escort. What religion was her burial affiliated with, since you state that burials are religious?
Also, have you yourself ever been a driver in an actual funeral procession?

[Got Milk?]

Awesome. I had actually planned to start attending church again sometime this month (no joke)

I heard that churches have ATM's in them now, be careful.

[BanginJimmy]

I heard that churches have ATM's in them now, be careful.

I'm not at all surprised church goers do ATM. They are some of the freakiest people I know.

[PhatBoi1210]

You sir....are a dick! This is the south and traditions hold strong around here, if you dont like it LEAVE. Trust me no one with even notice. Am I the only one who notices he has Tim Tebow as his pic as he is bashing a tradition Im sure Tebow and his family (being Christians) follow!?!

[quickdodge®]

You dont respect anyone you dont know, and if you say you do, you are only saying it because you think you are supposed to.

I don't really know you, but I do respect you, dude. And I know I'm not supposed to. I just do because that's who I am. That being said, I pull over out of respect. I have no where to be that it can't wait a minute or two (these things don't last 20 minutes) for this. I don't knock folks who don't though. I don't necessarily call it disrespectful if you don't pull over. I have not one problem with processions. It's not like I run into one every day. Hell, it's weeks and sometimes months between these.

You sir....are a dick! This is the south and traditions hold strong around here, if you dont like it LEAVE. Trust me no one with even notice. Am I the only one who notices he has Tim Tebow as his pic as he is bashing a tradition Im sure Tebow and his family (being Christians) follow!?!

What does Tim Tebow have to do with this? Later, QD.

[Elbow]

I dont mind a funeral being allowed to stay in line and move through red lights. What pisses me off is stopping traffic in both damn directions for one. I dont give a shit who died, Why am I stopping when it has no effect on the damn funeral? I was in the funeral procession for Zach Gamble and even then i was saying how stupid it was for people to be stopped on hwy 92 in Woodstock at 4:30. People say it is about showing respect for the dead, thats a crock of shit. You dont respect anyone you dont know, and if you say you do, you are only saying it because you think you are supposed to.

BS I respect people I don't know. Maybe that's the problem with the world today, not enough respect.

Everyone deserves respect until they show otherwise. If someone has passed, I will respect the life that was lost.

I heard that churches have ATM's in them now, be careful.

Yeah...ALL churches have ATMs. Those aren't churches, those are businesses using religion to make money.

You sir....are a dick! This is the south and traditions hold strong around here, if you dont like it LEAVE. Trust me no one with even notice. Am I the only one who notices he has Tim Tebow as his pic as he is bashing a tradition Im sure Tebow and his family (being Christians) follow!?!

Huh?

[Sinfix_15]

Because you feel something is missing or because you want to use what you hear to start more threads on the internet?

You should go, not sure what church you went to before, but maybe you won't make so many clueless comments like all Christians live for the afterlife or all want to be buried.

I dont believe in wizards and dragons but i enjoyed all 3 lord of the rings movies. I've spent years in church and enjoyed most of the experience without being a believer. Christians do live for the afterlife. Reaching it is their number 1 goal. Considering the Bible references cremation as a dishonorable punishment, yes... i would assume all Christians do want to be buried.

But no..... i dont seek to go to church for any mischievous purpose.... or to mock them. I dated the preacher's daughter for 8 years, being in the company of religious people is nothing new to me. I dont inherently dislike religious people or have any problem being around them. The "right" church is an enjoyable experience even for a nonbeliever.

[Sinfix_15]

You sir....are a dick! This is the south and traditions hold strong around here, if you dont like it LEAVE. Trust me no one with even notice. Am I the only one who notices he has Tim Tebow as his pic as he is bashing a tradition Im sure Tebow and his family (being Christians) follow!?!

Oh trust me...... i feel the tight clinch of the bible belt around my neck and have a full understanding that we "down here" will be the very last ones to put down our sweet tea, shotguns and bibles......

I respect everything Tebow does without believing in any of the purpose or reasoning behind it. Someone who devotes his life to helping people and has built hospitals for children deserves respect, regardless of what spiritual belief lead them to that cause. Also..... the 143 touchdowns at Florida were nice.

[Sinfix_15]

BS I respect people I don't know. Maybe that's the problem with the world today, not enough respect.

Everyone deserves respect until they show otherwise. If someone has passed, I will respect the life that was lost.



Yeah...ALL churches have ATMs. Those aren't churches, those are businesses using religion to make money.



Huh?

Dont fool yourself...... theyre all a business.

[Elbow]

I dont believe in wizards and dragons but i enjoyed all 3 lord of the rings movies. I've spent years in church and enjoyed most of the experience without being a believer. Christians do live for the afterlife. Reaching it is their number 1 goal. Considering the Bible references cremation as a dishonorable punishment, yes... i would assume all Christians do want to be buried.

But no..... i dont seek to go to church for any mischievous purpose.... or to mock them. I dated the preacher's daughter for 8 years, being in the company of religious people is nothing new to me. I dont inherently dislike religious people or have any problem being around them. The "right" church is an enjoyable experience even for a nonbeliever.

Well not every Christian follows everything word for word, some may argue they aren't Christians then...but....

I consider myself a Christian but I don't life for the afterlife. I try to be a good person, I don't know exactly what happens when we die, but I don't want to die like some of the hardcore extremist. I also don't particularly care to be put in a box underground when I do die.

In my opinion all of those things shouldn't really matter in religion, the plus I see in religion is having some guidance to follow in your life, not to scare people into believing.

[Elbow]

Dont fool yourself...... theyre all a business.

Not true at all, not sure what that water is...but...LOL

I use to go to a church that had a volunteer preacher and the church was very small. There were no tv screens, expensive sound system, any of that.

I've been to a few churches that are truly businesses. Huge screens, a stage setup that rivals a concert, it's ridiculous. A friend told me about one he went to that had offering cards where you can pay with debit/credit cards.

I argue the money could have been spent somewhere positive and the reply is always "We do that too."

Yeah? Well you could have spent an extra $10 million and just had a steel frame building instead. lol

[Sinfix_15]

Not true at all, not sure what that water is...but...LOL

I use to go to a church that had a volunteer preacher and the church was very small. There were no tv screens, expensive sound system, any of that.

I've been to a few churches that are truly businesses. Huge screens, a stage setup that rivals a concert, it's ridiculous. A friend told me about one he went to that had offering cards where you can pay with debit/credit cards.

I argue the money could have been spent somewhere positive and the reply is always "We do that too."

Yeah? Well you could have spent an extra $10 million and just had a steel frame building instead. lol

Well, by definition.... they are all business. Some more than others.... i dont recall ever seeing a church that didnt collect at least some money. Even a "volunteer" preacher would collect some form of payment i imagine. It's custom for the church to pay for the preacher's housing and travel. Even if i didnt collect a paycheck, if someone was paying my rent for me, that would be payment. Theyre not all multi million $ televangelist blood suckers, but they collect money in some capacity.


to the above comment, i would hope that no christian follows the bible word for word, because to be honest.... that would be terrifying. Religion for it's merit is a positive thing. When guidance becomes control, not so much.

[C230K]

You sir are an ass

[ash7]

You say that jokingly, but i already have. When i die, i wish to be cremated without any type of formal ceremony. Unlike Christians, i value the life that takes place before death more than the supposed one after. I would hate to see my friends and family waste their money to have me buried in a box.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this reference and generalization of Christians was meant to be more directed towards "religion in general" and an attempt to distract away from your OP. Which, by the looks of how many pages this has gone on and the complete topic change by pg 4 seems to have been a success.

I really think you're only continuing to post in this thread you made in an attempt to save face on the internet; you've gotta have better things to do man...
-jonathan asher

[Got Milk?]

BS I respect people I don't know. Maybe that's the problem with the world today, not enough respect.

Everyone deserves respect until they show otherwise. If someone has passed, I will respect the life that was lost.



Yeah...ALL churches have ATMs. Those aren't churches, those are businesses using religion to make money.



Huh?

ATM

[Sinfix_15]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this reference and generalization of Christians was meant to be more directed towards "religion in general" and an attempt to distract away from your OP. Which, by the looks of how many pages this has gone on and the complete topic change by pg 4 seems to have been a success.

I really think you're only continuing to post in this thread you made in an attempt to save face on the internet; you've gotta have better things to do man...
-jonathan asher

No attempt at saving face as i feel none needed. I do need to find better hobbies though.

[E36slide]

My church has a fucking Starbucks...... your 10% at work. Smh

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[Keebs ð¿ð]

I know I'm coming into this late, and I'm way too lazy to read 4 pages of posts. So all I know is it started with something about wanting to ignore tradition, then whether or not it was disrespectful, then something about having a Starbucks in a church. But for me, I could careless how I'm disposed of once I'm dead, or how many people I inconvenience with some motor pool of assholes who think they new me enough to show up to my funeral. I will say this though, I honest to god tried to have my last will notarized stating I wanted to have a taxidermist stuff my body in a way where I was standing up with my left hand opened just enough for a beer can to fit in firmly and my right hand in the air for everyone to give me a high five as they walked by. That way, even after death I would still be the talk of the party :p But sadly, I found out fairly quick when trying to have it notarized that it is illegal to have a human body taxidermied(I guess stuffed is the proper term, eh whatever). So anyways, that's my story. No clue how far from the topic it strayed from, I'm since use to the Whoreslounge style of posting random shit in other people's threads

[RandomGuy]

I know I'm coming into this late, and I'm way too lazy to read 4 pages of posts. So all I know is it started with something about wanting to ignore tradition, then whether or not it was disrespectful, then something about having a Starbucks in a church. But for me, I could careless how I'm disposed of once I'm dead, or how many people I inconvenience with some motor pool of assholes who think they new me enough to show up to my funeral. I will say this though, I honest to god tried to have my last will notarized stating I wanted to have a taxidermist stuff my body in a way where I was standing up with my left hand opened just enough for a beer can to fit in firmly and my right hand in the air for everyone to give me a high five as they walked by. That way, even after death I would still be the talk of the party :p But sadly, I found out fairly quick when trying to have it notarized that it is illegal to have a human body taxidermied(I guess stuffed is the proper term, eh whatever). So anyways, that's my story. No clue how far from the topic it strayed from, I'm since use to the Whoreslounge style of posting random shit in other people's threads

Grade A:

[Keebs ð¿ð]

Pfft Hasan, I clearly stated I didn't read through this and posting something that'll probably be completely off topic. Learn to read man, so you can read when I state that I don't read. But while we're on the subject, what exactly did this thread end up being about after it drifted away from not wanting to wait on funeral motor pools?

[blaknoize]

#4 Same thing could happen to me if im in a hurry because im late for work or trying to get somewhere. The convoy delaying my travel by 20 minutes made me continue to my destination at an increased rate of speed to maintain schedule, no police escorted me for safety. Clearly the police agree with me since in a lot of areas around the united states they are beginning to stop these services.

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

[-EnVus-]

Shouldnt this be in the religious section cause its clearly a thing of faith......Only a non believer would be so disrespectful then wish to discuss it.

[Sinfix_15]

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

I sound like a kid, but the people who believe in angels dont.

I do respect the dead, all of the people holding up traffic were alive.

[Sinfix_15]

Shouldnt this be in the religious section cause its clearly a thing of faith......Only a non believer would be so disrespectful then wish to discuss it.

i am a nonbeliever. i think blocking traffic is disrespectful.

[Sinfix_15]

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

i dont think ive ever seen a group of people block off traffic by themselves.

[David88vert]

i dont think ive ever seen a group of people block off traffic by themselves.

Happens all the time. Enough that I even know when and where for a group - they are like clockwork. You should get out more.

[Sinfix_15]

Happens all the time. Enough that I even know when and where for a group - they are like clockwork. You should get out more.

if it happened @ 1:30 in the afternoon on a weekday in rush traffic, id tell them to get the fuck out of the road too.