HAHA. and wtf with 25000k ? isn't that as bright as DRL's ?...
HAHA. and wtf with 25000k ? isn't that as bright as DRL's ?...
I doubt they will but I would take the car up there and talk to the prosecutor and show them and asked them where in the OCGA book does it state this is illegal>????Originally Posted by 00CelicaGT
they can't yellow is completely legal and nothing they can do but close this out and let it go !!!!
now if it was blue red green then yes !!!!
its a federal standard, not state. FMVSS108 Mainbeams must illumintate white in color.
BOOM!!!!!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
How can you blind someone with useless light?
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Never argue on the internet about HID's with an engineer who designed OE/SAE headlights and Driving lights for 10 years. Especially one who has had breakfast with NHTSA.
again it's not against the law in GA period there is NO section code to right this ticket
no section code no ticket they can't just make up a code
I have the OCGA code book right here beside me
Apparently you didn't understand what was mentioned. This is above the state and a federal regulation.
I do understand did this guy get pulled over by a city state certified officer or did he get pulled over by FBI?
Such as head light color cops in the state of ga are not going around enforcing the federal law on headlight colors . GA state law is that no blue flashing,red,green,
BTW cops has a hard enough times keeping up with the changes in the state laws they don't have the time to listen to all the federal laws on stupid crap like this
How many cops you seen saw 200 cars with any color other then white pass with out pulling them over ????
Exactly
I wish we did have LEO's that did enforce the laws.
why would you complain about a useless light?How can you blind someone with useless light?
For safety's sake, I hope you can see.
As for officers enforcing federal laws, they have enough on their plate as it is. Yea they do enforce federal laws as local jurisdictions are an extension of the federal system. You think an FBI agent is slap you on the wrist with a ticket? No. They can arrest you, impound your shit, and tell you to get fucked while you watch them crush your car.
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yes to all but NO to the crushing your car . This isn't cali and illegal street racing we're talking about fool!!
Do you really think the Imperial Federal Government cares about your feelings? If it happens in Cali it's only a matter of time before it makes it's way here.
And they started crushing cars in Cali years ago...
I don't think you guys are understanding. FMVSS108 is a federal law, covering all 50 states. It's the same as removing a converter, tinting a windshield, or having a vehicle with no tail lights. Here is how it works. NHTSA is the legislative arm of the govt. in regards to vehicles. FMVSS108 is the Federal Moter Vehicle Safety Standard for automotive lighting on US roadways. Basically, its a federal standard of what is expected and can be enforced by ANY law enforcement official.
States cannot over-ride any federal vehicle law. They are uniform across all 50 states. Now, certain states are more agressive about lift laws, tint laws, and other vehcicle requirements. They can take the federal guideline and tighten it, but not go around it.
For Example: Federal Law restricts window tint on the windshield, but no other window. The other windows are left up to local law makers to be set, since some states need darker tint because of their climate. However, no state can allow tint on the windshield.
So, back to the HID debate. Putting a HID capsule in a lamp designed for a halogen lightsource is illegal, in all 50 states, by federal law. It is for a good reason. They are absolutley useless. A standard (lets say 98 Civic headlight for instance) halogen lamp with the correct OE halogen bulb is designed to work with that bulb it it. The lense, reflector, and all optics are designed to work with a filiment in a very particular spot. When you put an HID capsule in that spot, its completely chaning the focus point of the light and reducing output and focus by 50-75%. THis is not a "can reduce output" deal, but a 100% "will put out less light" situation. Sure, they are brighter 50 foot in front of the car. At 500 feet, its 50-75% less output and completely unfocused. 500 feet isnt much at 60MPH. Thats why they are illegal.
It doesnt take a federal officer to enforce this. Any cop, in any town, can stop you and write you a ticket for it. Hell, they can impound the vehicle if they want, you are knowingly violating a federal law.
Next there is the safety issue. There is supposed to be 35K volts travelling through those cables from the ballast to the capsule. Those cables are supposed to be shielded. They are not. Those cables are passing as much current as an ignition wire, but through a stereo cable made in China. Besides possibly killing someone, they can slowly ruin automotive electronics. Of they ground out, they can pop a 30A headlight fuse so hard that it welds together. I have seen it. Now, bear in mind, we are talking cheap, $5, made in China bullshit ballasts. The electrnic interfearence and electronic noise coming off these things is at very high levels. They also backfeed into the system intermittantly,
Hey, somone has to explain this shit to the little wranglers............
False. I have personally tested this. Take an old round lense (very common on older cars, and bikes), and put a factory HID in it (from a Lexus, Nissan, etc.). The light out put is significantly higher, and for a much farther distance (more that 3x as far than the best Sylvania, Philllips, or Hella bulbs). The issue is that it is unfocused, and scatters everywhere, blinding other drivers. Look at an S2000's headlights. Notice how they intentionally introduce an artifical top line to the light output. That is to reduce the light going towards other drivers.
HIDs produce a much larger amount of light, but need a controlling limiter to focus it where it is needed.
False. It is not going to kill anyone - even the cheaply made one. Voltage doesn't kill, current does. An average HID ballast uses 10-15 amps initially, and drops down to 3-5 amps after igniting. Automotive ignitions ofter draw 100-200 amps.
If your fuse welded together, you need to buy better fuses. Asian-produce fuses tend to be lower quality, I suggest that you purchase better quality ones. You might want to do that with your HIDs also. The EMI off of a ballast mounted upfront with the headlight is not strong enough to reach back to the computer and cause issues. Are you mounting them in the cabin of the vehicle?
On the rest of it, I agree with you. It is not wise to put an HID bulb in a non-HID housing, of any color. If you are going to retrofit HIDs to a vehicle, do it the right way, and mount an HID projector inside the housing. See my R1 on how to properly do it.
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But YOU could know how to spell WRITE, they cant RIGHT a ticket.....
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This is not false. How did you test this? I tested this with a 8 million dollar light tunnel in Germany with light metering equipment. I have seen and taken so many isolux readings that it would make your head spin. There is no parobolic or free form reflector on the planet that Meets SAE requirements with both an HID and Halogen lightsource. It's simply not possible. I use the SAE requirements becuase this is the industry standard of lighting. It's not necessarily/only a standard of what's legal, but more importantly what is needed to see at various speeds. The reflectors between the two light sources are 100% different, even on a non-complaint off-road or motorsports light. If it were this simple, Companies like Hella, Bosch, Valeo, Magnetti Marelli, Guide, etc. would be utilizing the same reflectors for both, and not spending billions on retooling for new reflectors.
If you see the output of a 7" Round Parabolic SAE Headlamp with an H4 compared to the same lamp with an HID kit on an isolux chart, you would understand. Although it appears brighter to the naked eye, its not even close. The focal points are completely different between H4 and the capsule. I have seen halogen H4 bulbs fail QC tests becuase the filiment is .012mm off. This little trivial amount can put the light everywhere but where it is needed. HID kits can be as much as 15mm off in multiple directions at the same time.
Here is some good reading on the topic from my friend Daniel Stern. It might explain the depate a little better.
http://dsl.torque.net/images/DSL_8885.pdf
How about I actually did it years ago and tested it in the real world - on the road, with a vehicle, and it's clear-cut. More than 3x the distance to the reflectors. You could not see them as far out as they were with the bulbs, and could with the HIDs. And you don't have to take my word for it - quite a few people were there checking themselves. It wasn't quite as bright as the projector HIDs at the longer distance, and definitely not as safe to use on the roads, but clearly brighter at longer distances than the bulbs.
We actually played around with some of the cheap Chinese ones in the Buick to see what their quality was, and even in those housings, they were better than the SilverStars by a long bit - but not nice to other drivers.
I actually agree with you that they should be in the correct housings, and that the correct housings are completely different.
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thread topic is changing...should we make another thread ?
Its still about HID laws, so its all good
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