It's been 10 years since I had the car wreck that changed my life.

[Justin.]

Today marks the day, I was in the car wreck that further effected my life from then on.

10 years ago when I was 16, I got a new civic si, 3 days later all that changed.

Being 16 and an idiot, the last MPH I recall was 120mph, I have no idea what happened, I remember the rear end sliding out and waking up 3 weeks later, after multiple surgery's, I have no hearing in my left ear, had facial reconstruction also multiple broken bones.

As you can see, the airbags didn't deploy, the fireman I went to thank after I could walk again told me that my head was pinned to the steering wheel, and with a bag deployment the outcome of me being here right now could be different. Also my seat belt broke. Onto the good stuff, pics!

[lanning]

damn, glad you're alright

[quickdodge®]

Being 16 and an idiot, the last MPH I recall was 120mph,

Thing is, did you learn from that? Later, QD.

[Justin.]

Thing is, did you learn from that? Later, QD.

Yes I did, I seen the pain my parents were in, and never wanted to do that to them again.

[thecrazyone]

were you told what happend? tree? flipped over? ditch? anyone else involved?

[BABY J]

99 Civic Si was the fastest car ever produced. Racecar... PERIOD. Dibs on the drivers door handle.

[xxbckiexx]

did you sue the fuck out of honda for faulty airbag deployment what the fuck? Should've changed your life to millionaire status. If some slut can sue Mcdonalds for a mil because he coffee was hot and they didn't warn her, you surely could've gotten something out of this.

[BABY J]

did you sue the fuck out of honda for faulty airbag deployment what the fuck? Should've changed your life to millionaire status. If some slut can sue Mcdonalds for a mil because he coffee was hot and they didn't warn her, you surely could've gotten something out of this.

That's not why she got paid. If this was wrongful death it'd be different SLIGHTLY. But maybe you missed the 120mph part.

I love America - "I was being an ass and now I'm going to sue you." Makes sense.

[Justin.]

were you told what happend? tree? flipped over? ditch? anyone else involved?

Police man said I went air born in a corner and back end slid out, I don't remember going airborn but I did remember the rear end sliding out, estimated flipping 8 times after hitting road side ditch, they found the ecu that disconnected it self from the harness and out of the kick panel 30 yards from where the car landed.

[Justin.]

did you sue the fuck out of honda for faulty airbag deployment what the fuck? Should've changed your life to millionaire status. If some slut can sue Mcdonalds for a mil because he coffee was hot and they didn't warn her, you surely could've gotten something out of this.

Yes we did.

[punkr6]

I'll buy the head and tranny....

[BABY J]

Looks to me if the wheel-bag had deployed the back of your head would have it's on sunroof. I'd be happy with that and call Honda and say "good looking out."

[DeeAOne]

damn dude. i know how this is. makes you think twice about doing anything stupid everytime. i rolled 3 times and only needed stitches on my finger.

[xxbckiexx]

That's not why she got paid. If this was wrongful death it'd be different SLIGHTLY. But maybe you missed the 120mph part.

I love America - "I was being an ass and now I'm going to sue you." Makes sense.

From what i read, that's why she got paid. Spilled hot coffee, burned herself, she wasn't warned it was hot, had no warning label on the cup, bam 1 mil in the bank.

yes he was driving 120mph, but it doesn't fucking matter, that doesn't make your airbag not work. If i pay for a new car and i get into a serious accident, going 40, or going 200, i want my airbag to fucking deploy, because it's what i paid for. YES IT'S MY FAULT FOR WRECKING BECAUSE I WAS GOING A DANGEROUS SPEED. No it's not my fault that honda put in a faulty air bag. This isn't a case where he did something stupid and sued honda for something that wasn't their fault. he didn't sue honda for not putting on the proper tires to handle 120 mph. He sued honda for not having a fucking airbag that worked. Now where i see your point, and totally agree that people do stupid shit, then sue others, this is not the case in this instance.

Facts

On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49¢ cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her Ford Probe, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. She placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[9] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin as she sat in the puddle of hot liquid for over 90 seconds, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[10] Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her down to 83 pounds.[12] Two years of medical treatment followed.
[edit] Settlement offers

Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for US $20,000 to cover her medical costs, which were $11,000, but the company offered only $800. When McDonald's refused to raise its offer, Liebeck retained Texas attorney Reed Morgan. Morgan filed suit in a New Mexico District Court accusing McDonald's of "gross negligence" for selling coffee that was "unreasonably dangerous" and "defectively manufactured". McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000.[4] Morgan offered to settle for $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused these final pre-trial attempts to settle.[4]
[edit] Trial

she got $650,00 for herself.

[BABY J]

McDonald's bitch won b/c of a MEMO that McDs corporate sent out to every store. That memo basically said to overheat the coffee - this way by the time it's cool enough to drink patrons would not be hungry for more (since refills are free). The MEMO is what got got her paid not the hot coffee.

Look at how close the steering wheel is to the roof - a bag deployment would have prob meant DEATH. There are more than 1 way to look at shit like this.

[Bajjani]

From what i read, that's why she got paid. Spilled hot coffee, burned herself, she wasn't warned it was hot, had no warning label on the cup, bam 1 mil in the bank.

Then read it over


Yes she spilled coffee

The trial took place from August 8–17, 1994, before Judge Robert H. Scott.[13] During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. Liebeck's lawyers presented the jury with evidence that 180 °F (82 °C) coffee like that McDonald’s served may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about 12 to 15 seconds.

that was almost 200 degrees

[xxbckiexx]

McDonald's bitch won b/c of a MEMO that McDs corporate sent out to every store. That memo basically said to overheat the coffee - this way by the time it's cool enough to drink patrons would not be hungry for more (since refills are free). The MEMO is what got got her paid not the hot coffee.

Look at how close the steering wheel is to the roof - a bag deployment would have prob meant DEATH. There are more than 1 way to look at shit like this.

regardless of the memo, the fact that she won a million dollars because she spilled coffee on herself is excessive, and completely undeserved. Whether the airbag deployment meant death or not, the fact is this, his airbag that is supposed to save his life did not even deploy. That's faulty equipment.

I could understand if the retard at mcdonalds sued because the cup got too hot it melted and then she got third degree burned, but she SPILLED IT ON HERSELF, and then sued for it.

[xxbckiexx]

Then read it over


Yes she spilled coffee

The trial took place from August 8–17, 1994, before Judge Robert H. Scott.[13] During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. Liebeck's lawyers presented the jury with evidence that 180 °F (82 °C) coffee like that McDonald’s served may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about 12 to 15 seconds.

that was almost 200 degrees

she spilled the coffee, t hen let it soak in her pants for 90 THAT'S RIGHT NINETY SECONDS and then got burned

bitch if youre parked, and you spill fucking coffee on yourself, get the fuck out of the car and take the pants down, or pull them down in your car. she was burned from her OWN negligence, not because Mcdonalds served her hot coffee. If she tried to drink it and it burned her esophagus in half, then id say it was rightful. However nothing about that case is proper. That heat can cause 3rd degree burns in 2-7 seconds if it's not soaking through clothing having to get to the skin. it took her 90 seconds ti figure out she should probably not sit there and let in burn her any longer. That's a case of retard.

[BABY J]

regardless of the memo, the fact that she won a million dollars because she spilled coffee on herself is excessive, and completely undeserved. Whether the airbag deployment meant death or not, the fact is this, his airbag that is supposed to save his life did not even deploy. That's faulty equipment.

I could understand if the retard at mcdonalds sued because the cup got too hot it melted and then she got third degree burned, but she SPILLED IT ON HERSELF, and then sued for it.

I don't think he died since he is posting 10 years after the incident.

[Bajjani]

regardless of the memo, the fact that she won a million dollars because she spilled coffee on herself is excessive, and completely undeserved. Whether the airbag deployment meant death or not, the fact is this, his airbag that is supposed to save his life did not even deploy. That's faulty equipment.

I could understand if the retard at mcdonalds sued because the cup got too hot it melted and then she got third degree burned, but she SPILLED IT ON HERSELF, and then sued for it.

McDonalds lost because they made it hot enough to give third degree burns in seconds, not because it hurt and her leg turned red. She had third degree burns all over her legs. Yes its her fault for spilling herself, her punishment is ruined clothes and burning legs, not blisters and third degree burns.

The air bag tho is faulty equipment but this was 10 years ago so either way its done and never giong to change.

[xxbckiexx]

McDonalds lost because they made it hot enough to give third degree burns in seconds, not because it hurt and her leg turned red. She had third degree burns all over her legs. Yes its her fault for spilling herself, her punishment is ruined clothes and burning legs, not blisters and third degree burns.

The air bag tho is faulty equipment but this was 10 years ago so either way its done and never giong to change.

you're still missing the part where she sat in the "hot liquid puddle for over 90 seconds" which caused the 3rd degree burns through her clothing.

[xxbckiexx]

I don't think he died since he is posting 10 years after the incident.

you would suck as an attorney. That's like throwing a deflating life raft to someone, doesn't do much good. Obviously he didn't die, that's not he point. One could argue that his injuries could have been much less substantial had his life saving device deployed as it was supposed to. It's been proven that airbags save lives and reduce injuries, not that they do the opposite. In any case an air bag not deploying is an incredible fault and should be sued for, PERIOD.

[Jason..]

Damn man glad u ditn die.id rep u but my phone won't let me.

[Bajjani]

she spilled the coffee, t hen let it soak in her pants for 90 THAT'S RIGHT NINETY SECONDS and then got burned

bitch if youre parked, and you spill fucking coffee on yourself, get the fuck out of the car and take the pants down, or pull them down in your car. she was burned from her OWN negligence, not because Mcdonalds served her hot coffee. If she tried to drink it and it burned her esophagus in half, then id say it was rightful. However nothing about that case is proper. That heat can cause 3rd degree burns in 2-7 seconds if it's not soaking through clothing having to get to the skin. it took her 90 seconds ti figure out she should probably not sit there and let in burn her any longer. That's a case of retard.

As I JUST said, McDonalds lost because of the temperature of the coffee. You can't argue that point any other way, thats why they lost, not because she spilled it, but because of the damage of serving something that is dangerous.

[xxbckiexx]

As I JUST said, McDonalds lost because of the temperature of the coffee. You can't argue that point any other way, thats why they lost, not because she spilled it, but because of the damage of serving something that is dangerous.

YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT SHE SAT IN IT FOR NINETY SECONDS WHICH ALLOWED THE COFFEE TO SOAK THROUGH HER CLOTHING AND CAUSE THE BURNS. OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY THAT HOT/ALARMING TO HER BECAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO WITHSTAND SITTING IN IT FOR 90+ SECONDS. DO YOU HAVE READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS?

[Bajjani]

YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT SHE SAT IN IT FOR NINETY SECONDS WHICH ALLOWED THE COFFEE TO SOAK THROUGH HER CLOTHING AND CAUSE THE BURNS. OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY THAT HOT/ALARMING TO HER BECAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO WITHSTAND SITTING IN IT FOR 90+ SECONDS. DO YOU HAVE READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS?

So what you are suggeting is that a 79 yr old woman jump out of her car and strip in a parking lot. What do you expect she would have gotten for a lawsuit if she had to strip in public to prevent third degree burns? Moron.

[K20Z1]

i spy war...

anyhow, dips on the infamous steering wheels

[K20Z1]

and the gauge cluster

[quickdodge®]

Yes I did, I seen the pain my parents were in, and never wanted to do that to them again.

I can understand that. But what about yourself? Would you do it again if you knew your parents wouldn't be in any pain from it?

I'm just rambling. If you learned your lesson and all, then props to you, man. Just have to be safe because you never know. Later, QD.

[Justin.]

I can understand that. But what about yourself? Would you do it again if you knew your parents wouldn't be in any pain from it?

I'm just rambling. If you learned your lesson and all, then props to you, man. Just have to be safe because you never know. Later, QD.

Would never do it again, of course I am much older and have learned life's lessons, Everyone has their day to go, and that day wasn't mine, thank god!

I have to much in life to live for.

[Ran]

she sat in the "hot liquid puddle for over 90 seconds"

Kinky

[Njobe]

Yes we did.

how much did you end up getting?

[smoknlegend]

YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT SHE SAT IN IT FOR NINETY SECONDS WHICH ALLOWED THE COFFEE TO SOAK THROUGH HER CLOTHING AND CAUSE THE BURNS. OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY THAT HOT/ALARMING TO HER BECAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO WITHSTAND SITTING IN IT FOR 90+ SECONDS. DO YOU HAVE READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS?

Either way she would have suffered third degree burns. She offered to go for $20,000, they offered $800. Like was said above, the sum she received was not what she wanted, the courts wanted to send a message to mcdonalds that you cant serve food/drinks too hot to handle.

Besides what was said in the article posted, that particular restaurant had received multiple complaints about coffee being too hot and their response was that they could not do anything about it, when in reality there was an adjustment that could have been made on the machine to regulate the temperature lower. BTW: while i have never received a 3rd degree burn, what i have been taught is that you can feel 1st and 2nd degree burns, but 3rd degree burns cannot be felt. This is at least what the american red cross teaches. So what i believe happened is she thought damn this coffee is hot, and thought nothing of it, until extreme pain set in. Only reason i defend the courts decision is because this case was a long lecture in my legal environment of business class.


BTW: i am glad the OP is still here, but sorry your life changing thread had to be hijacked.

[Got Milk?]

Don't do stupid and drive.

[MongolPup]

That's not why she got paid.

THANK YOU. Jesus fucking Christ I can't stand when people say that. There was way more to the story, including MONTHS of prior history/documentation.

[MongolPup]

I didn't know there was a shit storm, and I don't care enough to post in it. Read up on the case everyone. McDonald's behavior in the past with keeping coffee hot enough to people to enjoy on the type of time table a morning commute involves particularly, and prior incidents involving out of court settlements and the exact temperature of the coffee.

[Doppelgänger]

Jesus fking Christ. Sue because the airbags didn't go off? It's clear some of you have no damn clue as to how SRS systems in cars work. Seriously. That's like the dumb Chink that tried to sue Mercedes Benz because he rear ended a truck and went under it and the airbags never went off. There are these things called "shock sensors" that use deceleration g-forces to set off the airbags. These sensors are meant for FRONT IMPACTS. Meaning, if your retarded ass slides off the road and starts doing barrel-rolls, the sensors aren't going to set off. All in all, the front is pretty intact considering. It's like expecting your steering wheel airbag to go off if you get rear ended or t-boned...it isn't going to happen. D U H

[bloodline]

damn crazy story..im glad to survived ..when your young..you tend to do alot of stupid things you cant take back...just aslong as you learn from your mistakes..you'll be just fine

[bdydrpdmazda]

Contrary to popular belief, Civics are NOT race cars...

[§treet_§peed]

Been here before. Not as bad but I can relate a little. Just ask the glass from the windshield still in my forehead and face. But damn man, this is a hell of thing to go thru. Glad you made it thru and weren't paralyzed, loose and limbs, and didn't have it knock you into a retarded state.