The Death Sentence...

[D3UC3S]

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.

anything to help sugar tits

[Ziptied]

I've always said eye for an eye. What you do to others should be done to you. I firmly believe in the death penalty.

[On_Her_Face]

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

It's not to enjoy, it's to provide justice for wrong acts. Somethings can not be corrected in life, so what do you do with them? THROW THEM AWAY.

Prime example, here in Knoxville a few years ago a girl was kidnapped and forced to give 3 guys head and then they poured anti-freeze down her throat. Finally had sex with her corpse. That is somebody's daughter/friend/girlfriend. Be in their shoes for just a second. You want those people to just be put in jail? What kind of punishment is that? Free food, living etc. It may be shitty but it could be worse for them. I say fuck that and your opinion, they should be put to death by chair, injection, gun, or whatever, I give no fuck about anybody that performs actions like that.

Sorry for the rant and what not but some of you all are fucking idiots to let people live when this type of shit goes down.

Edit: Also if I were to decide the way of death per cause it would be the same act but turned against whoever the criminal is.

[Total_Blender]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

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Jury determines guilt or innocence. Judge handles the sentencing.

[imperception]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/...iper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang.

So how do you propose handle serial murderers and rapists, child molesters etc...put tax payers dollars to work even further by keeping them in prison longer...or possibly start an island/penal colony in south pacific somewhere?

[Total_Blender]

Prime example, here in Knoxville a few years ago etc.

When society counters killing with more killing, it really reduces society to the level of the criminals it is trying to condemn. I would think life without any possibility of parole would be acceptable in that circumstance. On a personal level its not very gratifying, but it does get the perpetrators off the streets and that's what the main intent of the system is.

Besides that, the death penalty is just about the only punishment that is un-reversable. Innocent people have been killed by the States, just the possibility of that happening at all makes the case against the death penalty in my mind. According to the leading authority on this subject, Dr. Wik E. Pedia, at least 15 people have been wrongly executed in the US since 1992.

[FlipKing]

Pour gas on the bastard then light a match 3 hours later and burn his ass.

[oneSLOWex]

When society counters killing with more killing, it really reduces society to the level of the criminals it is trying to condemn. I would think life without any possibility of parole would be acceptable in that circumstance. On a personal level its not very gratifying, but it does get the perpetrators off the streets and that's what the main intent of the system is.

Besides that, the death penalty is just about the only punishment that is un-reversable. Innocent people have been killed by the States, just the possibility of that happening at all makes the case against the death penalty in my mind. According to the leading authority on this subject, Dr. Wik E. Pedia, at least 15 people have been wrongly executed in the US since 1992.

Why pay for the ones who are guilty to live for nothing, comfortable or not?

[Total_Blender]

Why pay for the ones who are guilty to live for nothing, comfortable or not?

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

[Buttons]

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

Reps for being the only person who agreed with me.

I've stated already three times, it doesn't just cost the "lethal injection" when you kill someone. it is also the court fees.

[Buttons]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

[Greddypacked]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

[Buttons]

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

see below quote

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

[oneSLOWex]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

[FlipKing]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

[Buttons]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

You are legally allowed at least one appeal. Even if the accused doesn't want to, you are to have one appeal for capital punishments.

[Buttons]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

Uh, ever heard of the word A-P-P-E-A-L?

[collins]

that's cause you're a extremist lol

an extremist because he has a different opinion than you? lol ok.

If I was going to be in prison for life or executed, I'd want to die, so this isn't a very FAIR punishment. It's an easy way out. I've never quite understood it.

trust me, hell has more fury than a damn prison cell.

Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.

heard that

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

so you like the idea of them living another day after some of the shit they did?

I dont see anywhere in that article they say that sniper is ex military.

i dont believe thats what she was trying to say here

Does it really make them right? To kill also? Just puts them on his level...

it absolutely does not. thats called carrying out justice.

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

fuck that, i would.

The island idea might also sound harsh, but kicking out the bad in society. You don't want to be around it so you send it off. Well none of the other countries want the scum either. So you give him his own island and let him try to start over and fend for himself.

here's why i dont like that idea... thats giving them a fresh start. anyone with the desire to live can kill some native animals, start a fire, eat and survive. hell, it might be the most relaxing life they've ever known.


now, i'm not saying the death penalty is for everyone as that would be ridiculous and would most likely mean i'm literally insane for thinking so. but i most definately think it has its place in society. i believe it was billy that said it keeps those that ARE sane in check.

[FlipKing]

Uh, ever heard of the word A-P-P-E-A-L?

Appeals happen in most cases, death penalty too, there fore court doesnt affect cost compared to death penalty vs life.

[Buttons]

Appeals happen in most cases, death penalty too, there fore court doesnt affect cost compared to death penalty vs life.

But you are allowed to do as many appeals as you can. Then people can always petition that it's Unfair for them to die.

I remember some guy took it up with the courts that he was only being put on death row because he was fat.

capital court costs vs regular court cost is really DIFFERENT. lol

[Total_Blender]

It costs the State about $40 per day to house a prisoner in our fabulous "for profit" prison system. Since its privatized, we as taxpayers don't see any of the profit, of course.

As far as allowing the prisoners to go to court "1000000000x times," its all a part of due process. If you were in the position of being incarcerated for a crime you did not commit, and found new evidence which would exonerate you, you might see it the other way around.

[Hundo®]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/...iper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang.

shut up faggot. death sentence is definitely something that should be around. there are human being that do not deserve to live.

[Total_Blender]

there are human being that do not deserve to live.

Tell us how you really feel.

[CasadeWaffle]

Nothing wrong with the death penalty. IMO all rapists and murderers who are convicted should be put to death without a chance for a second chance at life. And by rapists I don't mean a 16 year old kid who had intercourse with his girlfriend, I mean a guy 16+ taking advantage of a girl/guy without permission. And by murder I mean one that was with the intent to cause harm, not for shooting a a guy that broke into your house. I also don't believe in "life sentences" but that's me...

[tony]

Nothing wrong with the death penalty. IMO all rapists and murderers who are convicted

Are they all guilty if convicted?

[CasadeWaffle]

Are they all guilty if convicted?

I think so, but I am not positive as I don't know too much legal jargon...But I think I got my basic point across...if you take a life I don't think you deserve a second chance at yours...I think we should all treat others how we want to be treated, atleast that's how I live...

[tony]

I had to look it up but quoted from Columbia University:

Of the 5,760 death sentences imposed in the study period, 4,578 (79%) were finally reviewed on "direct appeal" by a state high court. Of those, 1,885 (41%; over two out of five) were thrown out because of "serious error," i.e., error that the reviewing court concludes has seriously undermined the reliability of the outcome or otherwise "harmed" the defendant


Of the death sentences that survived state direct and post-conviction review, 599 were finally reviewed in a first habeas corpus petition during the 23-year study period.37 Of those 599, 237 (40%; two out of five) were overturned due to serious error.38

and

The seriousness of these errors is also revealed by what happens on retrial, when the errors are cured. In our state post-conviction study, an astonishing 82% (247 out of 301) of the capital judgments that were reversed were replaced on retrial with a sentence less than death, or no sentence at all.44 In the latter regard, 7% (22/301) of the reversals for serious error resulted in a determination on retrial that the defendant was not guilty of the capital offense.

40% of cases reviewed brought forth errors that seriously altered the outcome of the sentence. Proof that not all individuals convicted of crimes and sentenced to death are deserving of the sentence. The cases we hear about are typically televised but there are many that fall under the radar and due to the lack of proper representation are placed on death row.

[claybird]

Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.

Thats whats up

goverment did'nt choose his life. He made the decision to take the risk!

[VooDooXII]

I did a speech and a research paper on why I think the death penalty is wrong. I just feel like it makes us no better than them.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

Personally if he can decide when someone's life is going to be ever, so can the death sentence.

[02SloWrx]

Yeah, whether or not he killed my friend or family member, I wouldn't want to see him killed.

I wouldnt want to see him killed, I would love to pull the trigger and kill him my self if they gave me premission to do so.

[JJSPEC Racing]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

[The Creeper]

I am for the death penalty. The touchy part is what Tony was getting at...Our court system is hard to trust enough to be hasty with the death sentence. Now people that plead guilty to murder and other horrendous crimes, should immediately get the death penalty.

[DunDunSkeert]

So you would rather your tax money go to keeping some piece of shit alive than just give him what he deserves and make the world a better place?

[CasadeWaffle]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

If someone for sure killed a family member of mine, I would definitely want the death penalty for them. It would never bring that person back to life, but it would give me peace of mind knowing that murderer will not live to kill again and he will not be able to enjoy life anymore. Life is gift, and every breath that man takes would be like a slap in the face to me if he was kept alive. that's just how I feel though...

[tony]

I am for the death penalty. The touchy part is what Tony was getting at...Our court system is hard to trust enough to be hasty with the death sentence. Now people that plead guilty to murder and other horrendous crimes, should immediately get the death penalty.

Absolutely I could agree with that, but usually when a plea is given the death penalty is avoided. With the error rate, just think that any of us at the wrong place at the wrong time could be convicted and sentenced for a crime we did not commit.

[Elbow]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

I really can't answer that as it's never happened. I personally right NOW feel like I wouldn't want that. I think I personally would feel a type of guilt the rest of my life.

However, I feel like if I saw the act happening, had a gun, and shot to kill them. I wouldn't feel as bad.

I'm not trying to change anyones opinions, this has been a good civil discussion nobody has gotten pissed off and nobody has tried to say someone is wrong.

[Total_Blender]

Justice in a jury trial isn't about what personally gratifies the victim, its about what punishment fits the crime according to the rule of law. Eye for eye and all that other religious dogma doesn't mean doodley squat when it comes to the law.

As far as "would you want your tax dollars paying for _____ " goes... you don't get to cherry-pick where your tax dollars are spent when it comes to issues you disagree with.

I don't like my tax dollars being spent in pointless wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, but theres nothing I can do about that. I don't like my tax dollars being given to companies like AIG and Bear Stearns who ask for bailouts and then give out 6 figure bonuses for their employees, but theres nothing I can do about that either.

[Hundo®]

i think pussies who oppose the death sentence should get the death sentence.

[Hundo®]

Justice in a jury trial isn't about what personally gratifies the victim, its about what punishment fits the crime according to the rule of law. Eye for eye and all that other religious dogma doesn't mean doodley squat when it comes to the law.

As far as "would you want your tax dollars paying for _____ " goes... you don't get to cherry-pick where your tax dollars are spent when it comes to issues you disagree with.

I don't like my tax dollars being spent in pointless wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, but theres nothing I can do about that. I don't like my tax dollars being given to companies like AIG and Bear Stearns who ask for bailouts and then give out 6 figure bonuses for their employees, but theres nothing I can do about that either.

i don't like my tax dollars being spent on socialized medicine, but there's not hing i can do about that. AMEN.