The Death Sentence...

[Benefit]

I agree, that makes sense too, I like the island idea lol.

Awww Benefit negative repped me for this thread. HE'S SO CUTE!

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAH

[Elbow]

There's an oath that doctors have to take that they will do no harm. Well that's fine and dandy, but then comes lethal injection. You have (well i forgot what their names are) who have little medical training. They can miss a vein. The worst part of all, they don't give the correct dose. Doctors would be great at being able to give the correct dose, but if you have no training as so, you can't possibly know. Well there's a lot of money that goes into killing someone by lethal injection just for it not to work. Also, sometimes the person doesn't die by it, but just screams in agony. I rather he just starve to death on a deserted island

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

[Buttons]

I agree, that makes sense too, I like the island idea lol.

Awww Benefit negative repped me for this thread. HE'S SO CUTE!

The island idea might also sound harsh, but kicking out the bad in society. You don't want to be around it so you send it off. Well none of the other countries want the scum either. So you give him his own island and let him try to start over and fend for himself.

[oneSLOWex]

I wouldn't do it, I don't think anyone in here posting would do it when it came down to it. The killer did it easily, that makes him sick, anyone who could just shoot and kill someone without feeling anything has something wrong. I personally think if I killed someone I would feel worse then before.

I'd shoot them in the knee caps or something to give them some pain. You shoot, kill, then what? It's over. You're stuck here feeling like shit still and they're no more.

I dunno man...I could never really say that I could do that to someone like him because I have never been in that type of situation, but right now, thinking about something happening to my family, hell yes I would fuck his shit up.

Gun in my hand, aimed at his sick face....it might make me think. I can however say that I would not hesitate for one second to make him suffer.

[Buttons]

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

I mean if he chooses to live, he can learn to hunt and feed himself.

[Benefit]

what part of cruel and unusual punishment dont u understand?

[Njobe]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...p/?cl=16567508



that's all, carry on.

[oneSLOWex]

There's an oath that doctors have to take that they will do no harm. Well that's fine and dandy, but then comes lethal injection. You have (well i forgot what their names are) who have little medical training. They can miss a vein. The worst part of all, they don't give the correct dose. Doctors would be great at being able to give the correct dose, but if you have no training as so, you can't possibly know. Well there's a lot of money that goes into killing someone by lethal injection just for it not to work. Also, sometimes the person doesn't die by it, but just screams in agony. I rather he just starve to death on a deserted island

Nah....not good enough for me to be against it...sounds exactly like something this guy needs....especially the kind that doesn't end quickly.

[Elbow]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...p/?cl=16567508



that's all, carry on.

Interesting.

[Njobe]

Interesting.

yup, thought so too after reading some of the stuff in here.

[Buttons]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million

[oneSLOWex]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million

I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

[Total_Blender]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

[Buttons]

I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

[Greddypacked]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

He has a point... those guys have to becareful of not being shanked by talking to someone the wrong way. Got to be a nice guy in a bad place and that wont even work majority of time.

[oneSLOWex]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

If thats really how it is.....then hell yeah.....thats how it should be. It shouldn't be a playground.

[Elbow]

I've been to jail once. I was in there for a little over a day and do NOT want to go back. This was just county jail too in the nicest block. It was far from a nice shelter. The food was a joke, I didn't even eat it. Even then I saw tons of fights and people just trying to fight you for no reason. We did have TV where I was, but like I said it was county and a nice block. However you don't choose what to watch. Nothing violent is shown and nothing with any type of sexual scenes lol. Toilets are in the open, showers are in the open, is that really a nice place to be?

People who get life in prison may want to live. Maybe they live off of hope. Maybe they DO regret what they have done. Maybe they want to see their kids grow up even if it's just a monthly visit. I don't think anyone with a life sentence should die. I think many would want to die though. That's not punishment.

[deathrex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

[Elbow]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

[Buttons]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

Read.

By the way, i'm happily a libertarian.

[Buttons]

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

I concur. That's a lot of people to kill not to feel any kind of remorse. I think he needs an evaluation.

[jhadleyh]

shit is kinda scary looking.

[oneSLOWex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

Im sure he thinks about all that sometimes and It has to make him think. At the same time, If he stepped out in front of those people, gun or no gun, Im sure they wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Hes killing the same people who strap bombs to themselves or children and blow up buildings, in the name of something that they THINK makes it ok to do what they are doing.

[deathrex]

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

[Elbow]

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

[oneSLOWex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

If you think about it....I wonder how many innocent people have been sentenced to death just because they were at the right place at the wrong time. Then there are situations like this where the worse it is for that guy the better.

[Total_Blender]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

[deathrex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

in a war situation the government is telling us to kill plain and simple. we get orders we do as were told. its part of the job.

And yes the government does decide, with the help of a joury of course. ive seen cases of life in prison after a guy killed aswell as death it depends on what the jourys feeling. Yes they can always appeal that aswell.

But in all honesty i dont want my tax dollars wasted so some killer can stay alive. instead id like to see it go back into my community to say buy more books for students in schools, Out reach progams in poor neighrborhoods so kids will stay in school instead of working the streets and joining gangs and causing more violence in our neighborhoods.

[deathrex]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

perfect example. some will get off with life some will get death. But in reality its really guilty untill proven innocent haha.

[Elbow]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

So now I am an idiot if I don't agree with you?

[Buttons]

in a war situation the government is telling us to kill plain and simple. we get orders we do as were told. its part of the job.

And yes the government does decide, with the help of a joury of course. ive seen cases of life in prison after a guy killed aswell as death it depends on what the jourys feeling. Yes they can always appeal that aswell.

But in all honesty i dont want my tax dollars wasted so some killer can stay alive. instead id like to see it go back into my community to say buy more books for students in schools, Out reach progams in poor neighrborhoods so kids will stay in school instead of working the streets and joining gangs and causing more violence in our neighborhoods.

Evidently you aren't reading what i'm posting. I answered this twice already. It can pretty much cost the same to put someone on death row and to give someone life.

Life term - average $1.5million (cost of living equals around $20k a year)

Death Row= ORIGINAL TRIAL + ALL OF THE APPEALS + THE COST THAT IT TAKES HIM TO LIVE EACH DAY (which as i said around $20k a year)

No one kills a death row inmate the day or the day after he gets confirmed guilty. You can stay anywhere from a year to 25ish years.

[Total_Blender]

So now I am an idiot if I don't agree with you?

I thought you did agree with me?

Perhaps I should have said "Some of you right wing idiots".

Its just crazy that wingnuts can talk about the "ZOMG socialist healthcare death panels" and compare them to Hitler, and then advocate a totalitarian/abusive brand of justice in the same breath. Hypocrisy, much?

[redrumracer]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

thats a good idea. or even tie him down and make small cuts once an hour and then every 30 min pour gas or alcohol on him.


i have no pity for those that kill outta cold blood or no good reason.

[TSiFTW]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

I'm not a right winger, I just agree with the death penalty. I'm not a left winger by anymeans either. Funny how you say what you say though and it is the left wingers wanting to take away all of our mother fucking freedoms.

[Elbow]

I thought you did agree with me?

Perhaps I should have said "Some of you right wing idiots".

Its just crazy that wingnuts can talk about the "ZOMG socialist healthcare death panels" and compare them to Hitler, and then advocate a totalitarian/abusive brand of justice in the same breath. Hypocrisy, much?

Yeah I misread all that lol, sorry.

[tony]

I would watch him. For instance if he took Megan's life (my fiance) I would stare at him until his last breath was gone. I guess I'm a different type of person, but in my book if you live by the sword your gonna fucking die by the sword.

As much as I do not care for Capital Punishment on a personal level all rationale is out the door and I would not only want to watch but I'd lobby to do it myself. I'm right there with you.

[D3UC3S]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

[tony]

I would.... I personally dont think putting a needle in his arm is being ok. id put a bullet in him for every person he killed. his "mental state" as they put it was fine. just because he turned into muslim to kill us and get his virgins doesnt mean he wasnt in the right state of mind. Both of them need to die for what they have done. and im sorry if anyone feels different but personally im tired of houseing and feeding the people that go out a murder people just because "they can" its a slap in the face to every american when they inflict harm on us and we house them. I dont care if its prison or not and how ruff it is. they still killed and need to be killed because of it. and the humane way of doing things is bullshit. hey lets put him to sleep then let him slip off in his sleep so its painless.. people please. 3/4 of the time they stand there and watch there victums bleed out and enjoy it. only remorse they have is being caught. so ya know what.. kill them how they killed others.

The problem is that the judicial system is far from perfect and not every inmate on death row committed the crime of which they are charged. If even one person is falsely convicted then it nulls the affect of Capital Punishment.

[neon_ert3]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

im payin good money to see this!
i never understood how ppl could want serial killers/murderers/rapist to have a chance at life!! there victums had no chance at all! i say they fukn die slow and ill look them dead in the eyes the whole time

[Elbow]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.