The Death Sentence...

[Elbow]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...p/?cl=16567508



that's all, carry on.

Interesting.

[collins]

that's cause you're a extremist lol

an extremist because he has a different opinion than you? lol ok.

If I was going to be in prison for life or executed, I'd want to die, so this isn't a very FAIR punishment. It's an easy way out. I've never quite understood it.

trust me, hell has more fury than a damn prison cell.

Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.

heard that

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

so you like the idea of them living another day after some of the shit they did?

I dont see anywhere in that article they say that sniper is ex military.

i dont believe thats what she was trying to say here

Does it really make them right? To kill also? Just puts them on his level...

it absolutely does not. thats called carrying out justice.

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

fuck that, i would.

The island idea might also sound harsh, but kicking out the bad in society. You don't want to be around it so you send it off. Well none of the other countries want the scum either. So you give him his own island and let him try to start over and fend for himself.

here's why i dont like that idea... thats giving them a fresh start. anyone with the desire to live can kill some native animals, start a fire, eat and survive. hell, it might be the most relaxing life they've ever known.


now, i'm not saying the death penalty is for everyone as that would be ridiculous and would most likely mean i'm literally insane for thinking so. but i most definately think it has its place in society. i believe it was billy that said it keeps those that ARE sane in check.

[Skorcher]

I personally think all the freaks should be all unloaded on a deserted island and let them fend for themselves. Real normal people have the ability to form real thoughts. It seems to caveman that you have to resort to killing other people to get your rocks off.

This reminds me of the idea George Carlin used to talk about.

[Benefit]

what part of cruel and unusual punishment dont u understand?

[Buttons]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million

[oneSLOWex]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million

I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

[Buttons]

I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

[Buttons]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

Read.

By the way, i'm happily a libertarian.

[Total_Blender]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

[Greddypacked]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

He has a point... those guys have to becareful of not being shanked by talking to someone the wrong way. Got to be a nice guy in a bad place and that wont even work majority of time.

[oneSLOWex]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

If thats really how it is.....then hell yeah.....thats how it should be. It shouldn't be a playground.

[Elbow]

I've been to jail once. I was in there for a little over a day and do NOT want to go back. This was just county jail too in the nicest block. It was far from a nice shelter. The food was a joke, I didn't even eat it. Even then I saw tons of fights and people just trying to fight you for no reason. We did have TV where I was, but like I said it was county and a nice block. However you don't choose what to watch. Nothing violent is shown and nothing with any type of sexual scenes lol. Toilets are in the open, showers are in the open, is that really a nice place to be?

People who get life in prison may want to live. Maybe they live off of hope. Maybe they DO regret what they have done. Maybe they want to see their kids grow up even if it's just a monthly visit. I don't think anyone with a life sentence should die. I think many would want to die though. That's not punishment.

[deathrex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

[Elbow]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

[Buttons]

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

I concur. That's a lot of people to kill not to feel any kind of remorse. I think he needs an evaluation.

[deathrex]

Ok, nice vent.

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

[Elbow]

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

[oneSLOWex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

If you think about it....I wonder how many innocent people have been sentenced to death just because they were at the right place at the wrong time. Then there are situations like this where the worse it is for that guy the better.

[deathrex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

in a war situation the government is telling us to kill plain and simple. we get orders we do as were told. its part of the job.

And yes the government does decide, with the help of a joury of course. ive seen cases of life in prison after a guy killed aswell as death it depends on what the jourys feeling. Yes they can always appeal that aswell.

But in all honesty i dont want my tax dollars wasted so some killer can stay alive. instead id like to see it go back into my community to say buy more books for students in schools, Out reach progams in poor neighrborhoods so kids will stay in school instead of working the streets and joining gangs and causing more violence in our neighborhoods.

[Total_Blender]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

[deathrex]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

perfect example. some will get off with life some will get death. But in reality its really guilty untill proven innocent haha.

[Elbow]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

So now I am an idiot if I don't agree with you?

[TSiFTW]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

I'm not a right winger, I just agree with the death penalty. I'm not a left winger by anymeans either. Funny how you say what you say though and it is the left wingers wanting to take away all of our mother fucking freedoms.

[oneSLOWex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

Im sure he thinks about all that sometimes and It has to make him think. At the same time, If he stepped out in front of those people, gun or no gun, Im sure they wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Hes killing the same people who strap bombs to themselves or children and blow up buildings, in the name of something that they THINK makes it ok to do what they are doing.

[jhadleyh]

shit is kinda scary looking.

[D3UC3S]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

[Elbow]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.

[D3UC3S]

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.

anything to help sugar tits

[Total_Blender]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

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Jury determines guilt or innocence. Judge handles the sentencing.

[Ziptied]

I've always said eye for an eye. What you do to others should be done to you. I firmly believe in the death penalty.

[imperception]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/...iper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang.

So how do you propose handle serial murderers and rapists, child molesters etc...put tax payers dollars to work even further by keeping them in prison longer...or possibly start an island/penal colony in south pacific somewhere?

[FlipKing]

Pour gas on the bastard then light a match 3 hours later and burn his ass.

[Buttons]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

[Greddypacked]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

[Buttons]

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

see below quote

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

[oneSLOWex]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

[Buttons]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

You are legally allowed at least one appeal. Even if the accused doesn't want to, you are to have one appeal for capital punishments.

[Total_Blender]

It costs the State about $40 per day to house a prisoner in our fabulous "for profit" prison system. Since its privatized, we as taxpayers don't see any of the profit, of course.

As far as allowing the prisoners to go to court "1000000000x times," its all a part of due process. If you were in the position of being incarcerated for a crime you did not commit, and found new evidence which would exonerate you, you might see it the other way around.

[FlipKing]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

[Buttons]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

Uh, ever heard of the word A-P-P-E-A-L?