I respect your opinion and, I believe, that you openly expressing it is a prime example of what real freedom is.Originally Posted by simontibbett
I respect your opinion and, I believe, that you openly expressing it is a prime example of what real freedom is.
When I gain power, I will -make- others abide by my rules or they'll face death. Easy as that. Why? Because I'll have the power to do so, and because that is what I want to do.
The reality of this is that everything is the result of pure organic freedom..
We've freely done this to ourselves.
By the way, thanks to all that are contributing to the thread. Keep it coming.
Because the fact is, 85% of the population has always been complacent, boring, mindless chimps, and all of those things existed mostly in pipe dreams and hyperbolized stories, and 100% of us are enslaved more to our psychological weaknesses than any organization.Whatever happened to truly living your life without care or obligation? To taking what you need without fear of reprimand or consequence?
but why do we let others decide what is appropriate for us?
Where is the passion, love, wanderlust, and curiousity that is truly what being human is all about?
Yeah, that'd be a nice place to live if most people could shed off our selfish, violent, batshit insane nature. Say goodbye to medical care, air conditioners, and the internet, and say hello to having 8 kids because you know 6 are gonna die, and so on.I'd rather live in a world where the fittest survive and yet you hold no obligations other than basic survival and desires
Well put. How would you propose one overcome their psychological boundaries if even possible?
You make sacrifices and take the good with the bad. Personally, I'd rather run the risk and be free. To hell with medical care, air conditioners, television, and the internet. If those are to be the sacrifices made then so be it. Mankind existed for millenia without the automobile or penicillin. It can continue to do so.
This is a tricky question.
All I can say is that for me - being put in an environment that I'm not familier with could give me a better sense of appreciation. Maybe we all need to start over fresh and work our way up like our grandparents did.
Maybe then we'd be less dependent of our technology.
Here is another problem though. If we want to evolve and move further in life we need technology - science is an important key in us reaching that goal.
Technology(especifically the internet) is one of the most important components to making a decentralised society sustainable. I would definitely not do away with that. Television is probably the top form of entertainment that needs to go because that is what is keeping us from lookin' at our problems the way they need to be looked at.
Television is our main problem - PERIOD. The younger generation starts off by watching tv, then they would rather stay in doors and play video games or watch tv instead of going out side and doing something productive. Which is why a lot of Americans are fat and lazy. We start in a young age.
The internet is nothing more than an interactive form of TV. They are both methods of spreading information among the masses. You just have more control over what is on your monitor than you do what is on your TV.
Control on what we watch - bingo. We can control on whether we watch some bullshit news station that talks about false claims about our planet and everything going on in it or we can watch educational videos on important stuff like what really is going on.
I'm still a slave.
But an educated one.
I copied nothing.
I support the annihilation of modern society and the complete rebirth of human existence. Perhaps being thrown into the threshhold would give people a recognition of life is meant to be.
Technology itself is the problem. Entertainment and convenience rule the world and let people's lives fade away into obscurity. The more you look at it, you more you realize it.
Unless you lived your entire existence without any interaction from another human being, this is most improbable.
After having been exposed to the internet, I'm addicted to it and I have withdrawals if I have to go without.
I think Ran is just trying to get assurance that age of consent is bullshit. It's like the Ryan Reynolds speech in "Waiting"
Haha, but seriously, I think the world would be horrible place without the structure that has developed. Sure I think that there is far too much government regulation (I generally have a pretty libertarian mindset in the respect), but to have no system of civilization would be chaotic and honestly stagnant.
It is definitely a trade-off between comfort and absolute freedom, but personally I like some level of comfort.
And as for who decides laws, I do think a great deal of them are arbitrary, but the basic ones are naturally instilled. Every major faith follows things like it's bad to kill and steal. You can even see this in observing a group of animals.
Ran/Maniac: How do you live your lives now? Do you follow the current theories that you have spoken of in this thread?
IIRC, Paul said it, but we have structure to avoid chaos. Even with structure chaos is still possible, but to a much lesser extent. Sure we would all like to do as we please, but our human nature will not allow us to be completely civil. Yes, people do abuse the hierarchy/rules, but that further proves our need for such checks and balances.
Ran, you proposed wiping the earth of technology, health care, and etc. I strongly feel that IF we were to somehow remove all that is on this earth now, and pickup the sticks, we would kill each other off in a matter of years, or the mindset many people have now would run rampant and start the process over again.
I do however question the relationship of this topic to the notion that poverty and mental enlsavement causes violence and chaos.
Also: Religion plays a strong hand in peoples beliefs.
I will return to this in a moment....computer update and a trip to Mahdavi, lol.
I am currently as much of a victim of the system as the rest of you. I'm merely expressing theory and philosophy to see what it lands. Perhaps a change is to be made.
Structure does not eliminate chaos at all. It merely controls it through the enforcement of fear. Fear of punishment by one's peers and thus, the regulations set by one man to govern another. It isn't right. Civility is what you make of it and humanity by no means as distant from animals as it would like to make itself out to be.
One can't say for sure until faced with the situation. I don't believe that humanity would eliminate itself, but I can forsee the restructuring of a society by those not wishing to do anything for themselves and have their meals delivered to them on a plate. These kinds of people are the very reason we are where we are. No drive, no passion, no determination. Only the sad wastefulness that desires their existence to be led for them.
you copied this shit from wikipedia.
I still say you copied this shit from wikipedia.
..... so you're telling me in a world without repercussion..
i'd have to worry about the repercussion????
c'mon man... laws are laws and rules are rules... they weren't just made up to hold people back.. they were made to help preserve life on this planet...
in your world.. if i stole a loaf of bread from you.. you could kill me.... these laws that are "holding you back" keep things just and fair.. and though there are times they fail us... for the most part they pull through.. i get punished for doing wrong.. but it's a fair punishment.. instead of death...
(sorry this is so late.. it glitched on me before i went to lunch..)
You already made this post.
bull shit!!! gah i hate IA!!! when i tried to post it earlier it timed out on me... and i couldn't get back on.. so i just went to lunch!!!
sorry... i'll go back and re read the thread i guess!!!!
mother efin server!
From what i'm seeing, a lot of people in this thread just didn't make the effort to pursue a career they'd be happy with in the long run... and are now complaining about how their dead end 9-5 job sucks -- so... that's the government's fault? The great thing about living in the US is that if you have the willpower/drive/etc, you can do and be whatever the fuck you want to.
Don't blame it on anyone else but yourself.
And if you have a problem accepting the fact that you'll have superiors in life .... lol, sucks for you. That's life. Just like it was 20 years ago. If you're getting paid to do what you love, you'll get over petty bullshit like that -- I promise. If not, then I guess you're doomed to spend the rest of your life sitting in a cubicle feeling bitter.
This retard actually has a point when you think about it - I know I know, crazy huh? We live in the only country where you can essentially do whatever the fuck you want.
So do it and stop complaining or fix whatever it is that is bothering you.
Posting on a board full of porn, riced out cars, and useless drama isnt helping me or anyone else. But it is fun to talk about it so with that - let's keep this going. Unless some of you run out of brain juice.
Meh, I guess.
You've gotten a bit off topic here by basing your post on assumptions. While I agree that people need to take personal responsibility for their own decisions, I don't see the relevance to the subject matter.
I'm just saying... you probably wouldn't have such a glum outlook on life if you were happy with your current situation. Life's too short to have a constantly shitty outlook on life. Yes, sometimes it may seem like there are a few corrupt douchebags sitting at the top dropping water balloons full of piss on everyone... but life isn't as bad as some people make it out to be. Just be thankful that you don't have to live in Africa with the daily fear that some guy is gonna chop your head off and rape your family.
thanks alex ... i think
this is something that i have thought about and racked my brain about for the last 3 years. i hate feeling that i am subjected to one set path for my life. ex. highschool, college, career, pay taxes, family, hopefully retire at a reasonable age, die. why am i taught that i do not have a choice, why am i taught that if i dont follow this set plan for americans, then i am "irresponsible"? why can i not choose weather i want to move around to places where i know nothing about it and test myself as a human being, as a creation of the creator, as a man?
why am i defined by what i do or my financial status? why cant it be about who i am and what i did with my life while i was stuck here? i hate to do it, but a movie quote comes to my mind and its from one of my favorite movies, braveheart. its right after william wallace has been betrayed by the nobles and he is at his sentencing. he is charged with treason to the king and wallace replies "never in my life have i sworn allegiance to him." and the reply was, "it matters not, he is your king"...i understand that americans are not subjected to such things as rape and murder from the government and government officials, but i can help but feel that we have no choice but follow the rules set for us by our government just because we were born here. i mean if i chose to leave the country now because i did not like the way things were, i could not do this without the proper documents and identification. i can hop the border and go to mexico or canada but those are my choices. why am i limited to so very little?
now i cant say that i have all the answers or even some of them. i cant say that i am following the path that i am completly confident is the path i have chosen. i still feel like i am playing by the rules and covering my ass until i can get out of this "enslavement" whether i come back or not is another story.(hence the reason i am going to europe next summer)
in spite of all this, i cannot deny that these rules and regulations are set forth for the common good of everyone. government officials set these regulations, but these officials did not self proclaim their position. there were voted for by the people. if we dont like it, then we need to vote. vote for representatives that can make changes for the world that you want to live in. if you dont see them, run yourself. its not an impossible goal. obama has made history by being elected (although i did not vote for him and hate the feeling that he was elected TO make history) and if that isnt an accomplishment, then i dont know what is.
no one has excuses anymore for not living the life they want to live, not white, black, brown, "khaki, whatever that color is." im sure there is opression still, but people have to stop blaming everyone else for what has happened to them. be a man, grow a pair and overcome it. maybe the things you do to get what you want arents so clean. maybe you have to follow all the rules to get out(like me) but you have every bit of control of getting what you want.
thats me 2 cents
"COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!""nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
They were rota's mother fucker!"
Vote libertarian next time.
i posted this earlier:
"this is something that i have thought about and racked my brain about for the last 3 years. i hate feeling that i am subjected to one set path for my life. ex. highschool, college, career, pay taxes, family, hopefully retire at a reasonable age, die. why am i taught that i do not have a choice, why am i taught that if i dont follow this set plan for americans, then i am "irresponsible"? why can i not choose weather i want to move around to places where i know nothing about it and test myself as a human being, as a creation of the creator, as a man?
why am i defined by what i do or my financial status? why cant it be about who i am and what i did with my life while i was stuck here? i hate to do it, but a movie quote comes to my mind and its from one of my favorite movies, braveheart. its right after william wallace has been betrayed by the nobles and he is at his sentencing. he is charged with treason to the king and wallace replies "never in my life have i sworn allegiance to him." and the reply was, "it matters not, he is your king"...i understand that americans are not subjected to such things as rape and murder from the government and government officials, but i can help but feel that we have no choice but follow the rules set for us by our government just because we were born here. i mean if i chose to leave the country now because i did not like the way things were, i could not do this without the proper documents and identification. i can hop the border and go to mexico or canada but those are my choices. why am i limited to so very little?
i still feel like i am playing by the rules and covering my ass until i can get out of this "enslavement" whether i come back or not is another story.(hence the reason i am going to europe next summer)
no one has excuses anymore for not living the life they want to live, not white, black, brown, "khaki, whatever that color is." im sure there is opression still, but people have to stop blaming everyone else for what has happened to them. be a man, grow a pair and overcome it. maybe the things you do to get what you want arents so clean. maybe you have to follow all the rules to get out(like me) but you have every bit of control of getting what you want."
i share your same frustration
"COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!""nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
They were rota's mother fucker!"
the only way to eliminate enslavement is to do away w/ the establishments that control you and cut the ties that bind you.
by nature we need people to sustain the human race. this requires us to communicate with others and build connections/establishments. this is why i was saying that if we as humans were asexual then we wouldn't be bound to such. the reason being you can go your entire life w/o ever needing another individual.
Working on it.
Posting on a car forum is by far one of the least effective ways to get a point across, but I frequent here and figured I could get some decent replies for the subject. I'm glad that I was right.
Okay, I see what you mean. Now that I catch your meaning, I agree.
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The laws of existence are by far not on the same level as the superficial laws placed by man. Also, I don't follow with the "sew seeds of good" metaphor.
If your friends and family can't keep themselves safe than that is their own problem. Why should there be laws governing my actions if they do not necessarily agree with your own? You are free to believe and live by any set standards that you see fit. I do not, however, find the premise of a governing body making mandatory regulations for everyone to be agreeable. A man should have the right to decide for himself what is right or wrong.
This current standard of living isn't human nature and hasn't been for a long time. It's merely conceding to the standards set forth by others. No, things did not happen over night. It takes time to create something such as this. That does not necessarily make it a good thing. A clean slate is exactly what we need. The question is, how does one destroy the world?
Even so, you will never be able to live in a world of no consequence. Just like Paul said, humans need humans to survive (as a race). As long as there is that interaction, you will never be completely "free."
the metaphor being you reap what you sew..... good or bad... what goes around comes around... (yeah now that song is in my head too)... some people believe in karma.. some don't.. the way i'm relating it to this topic is... in your world... if i decided for myself what was good or bad being raised the way i was.. i would still not just take from others.. i wouldn't kill unjustly.. i would still be a good natured person.. and would most likely do fine for myself... i'd sew good seeds... and i'd reap what i sewed.... if i had sewn bad seeds.. killing/thieving/raping... well i'd be willing to bet someone would be pissed off at me.. and be prolly trying to kill me themselves....
just like in todays society.. if you do well by others and don't break rules.. you don't get in trouble...
but if you're "bad"... then you get punished for it...
going back to what i said earlier... the rules in place are to preserve life on this planet.. be it ours or the animals we share it with..... and i think you're getting too personal on this... it's not what laws i want to make against what you feel is or isn't right... getting that from this statement "Why should there be laws governing my actions if they do not necessarily agree with your own?" again it's a group effort to get these laws... it's not one man vs another..
if 10 out of 9 people feel it's wrong to do something... well.. most likely it's wrong... ya know?? based on our "gut/human instinct"
I feel that it should be your own decision to do what you deem fit as right or wrong. I'm not going to enforce onto you my morals or code of ethics, but I would expect the same respect in return. You have the freedom to do so or not. That's the beauty of it. Live by your own standards and by what you deem is just. If you believe that God will punish you for being bad, then live accordingly to what you believe. You simply have no right to tell others that they're wrong. This goes for all things, not just religion.
No. If 9 people feel that it is wrong then it is wrong for those 9 people. If that 1 does not feel it is wrong, then it's not. Not for him anyway. This is not a case of majority rule.
fine you alone choose to commit murder because you feel that it is your right because you do not have to follow majority rule. thats fine and dandy. but it goes both ways. the government will then choose to use their rights (as you have described) and take you into custody by force, strap you down in a chair, and flip the switch and watch you die.
thes is using your theory of freedom
"COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!""nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
They were rota's mother fucker!"
actually... in your world.. i have every right to tell you you're wrong... then kill you for saying otherwise...
whore...
lol...
great thread ran.. honestly... i'd stick around but i gotta do some work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE!
Good counter argument and it's fears of such repercussions that keep many and myself from doing such acts. I simply do not agree in the majority rule premise and it's one of the reasons behind this thread. Nice job.
While the trip was initially a seperate case, it has begun to cross my mind again.
Exactly. Turn about is fair play and I'm willing to accept that.
Do what you feel you need to do man. Thanks for the replies.
i agree. i have really enjoyed this debate
"COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!""nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
They were rota's mother fucker!"
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