A world without order...

[Ran]

Has anyone ever noticed that our society has become a system of enslavement, preventing people from doing the things that they would normally do due to fears of repercussions? Mankind as a whole has come through the millenia and brought upon itself a series of structures and laws that serve only to prevent people from living the lives that they would truly like to live. The sacrifice of absolute freedom in exchange for a sense of protection given by regulations and processes that control people through fear. Mankind has become lazy and content with it's mundane existence and continues to live in a system of fear that it has developed for itself. Whatever happened to truly living your life without care or obligation? To taking what you need without fear of reprimand or consequence?

One would argue that life itself is governed by universal laws and the laws of nature. This is true and one can not alter the ways of basic existence, but why do we let others decide what is appropriate for us? Why do people continue to follow these standards that they themselves do not agree with? The answer is fear. Fear of opinion, fear of punishment, and fear of being shunned upon. People let their image and well being control their passion. They have sacrificed their drive for life for "human progress" and advancement when the only things they have advanced are superficial objects and illusions that distract them from truly living a life that is free.

This world and all of it's corrupt organization should be destroyed and brought up anew. Take every last government, business, and organization and burn them to the ground. Take away the technology, science, art, and other menial advancements that people place so much pride upon and see the basic instincts of human nature take over. Revel in absolute freedom as your obligations and restrictions are done away with and life truly becomes a reality and this fascade that America claims it to be.

Where are the basic drives for life? Where is the passion, love, wanderlust, and curiousity that is truly what being human is all about? Gone. It's been driven away by those that would sacrifice their basic human desires for protection amongst the masses. I'd rather live in a world where the fittest survive and yet you hold no obligations other than basic survival and desires then sacrifice pure freedom for a false sense of protection. We're not protected, we're enslaved. Enslaved by fear and the laws of men whom we'll never see. For better or for worse, people need to be free of what they have been led to believe is life and experience was living really is.

Excuse my rambling, but this has been plaguing my mind since last night and I had to put something out despite it's lack of organization.

[Sammich]

WELL...IF I LIVED IN A WORLD WITHOUT ORDER I'D THINK ABOUT CHEATING MORE OFTEN. WHILE THAT MAY SEEM LIKE A MEANINGLESS POST, I STAND BY THIS STATEMENT

BUT, ORDER, IN THIS WORLD, KEEPS SOME THINGS AT BAY. SOME PEOPLE STILL DO THINGS AND DONT CARE ABOUT REPRUCUSSIONS, HENCE JAILS.

[Elbow]

lol

[Killer]

NWO FO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT IS JUST TOOOOOOOOOO SWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTT!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sammich]

HEY RAN IS THIS A SERIOUS THREAD?

[Ran]

BUT, ORDER, IN THIS WORLD, KEEPS SOME THINGS AT BAY. SOME PEOPLE STILL DO THINGS AND DONT CARE ABOUT REPRUCUSSIONS, HENCE JAILS.

Exactly, but who decides what is wrong or right? Who gives these people the authority to enforce laws and regulations on other men? The people do. The people, afraid of having to protect themselves and take responsibility for own problems give these people power to enforce restrictions to prevent others from doing actions that they themselves do not deem appropriate. In one fashion or the other, we're all slaves to this system of favoritism and bigotry.

HEY RAN IS THIS A SERIOUS THREAD?

Yes. I seriously got no sleep last night. It's bugging the shit out of me and has me on the verge of vomitting. My heart is racing, my mind is running a mile a minute, my body is restless, and my stomach feels like it's going to explode. I don't know why, but the contentment that people have found in sacrificing themselves to these world systems makes me sick. Nobody knows what living is anymore.

[Elbow]

Exactly, but who decides what is wrong or right? Who gives these people the authority to enforce laws and regulations on other men? The people do. The people, afraid of having to protect themselves and take responsibility for own problems give these people power to enforce restrictions to prevent others from doing actions that they themselves do not deem appropriate. In one fashion or the other, we're all slaves to this system of favoritism and bigotry.

IT'S CALLED HAVING CIVILIZATION. Go move out to no where land if you want to live like cave men.

[Sammich]

Exactly, but who decides what is wrong or right? Who gives these people the authority to enforce laws and regulations on other men? The people do. The people, afraid of having to protect themselves and take responsibility for own problems give these people power to enforce restrictions to prevent others from doing actions that they themselves do not deem appropriate. In one fashion or the other, we're all slaves to this system of favoritism and bigotry.

IN ACTUALITY, GOD GIVES AUTHORITY TO MEN (GOVERNMENT) TO ENFORCE THESE LAWS, OR MAYBE NOT GIVES AUTHORITY, BUT HE ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP THINGS IN ORDER...THE BEST WAY THEY CAN, SO IN ESSENCE THEY HAVE THE 'RIGHT' TO GOVERN PEOPLES LIVES. BUT FROM YOUR PROSPECT, PEOPLE GOVERNING PEOPLE, WHO ALL SCREW UP AND DO...WHATS NOT RIGHT.

[Ran]

IT'S CALLED HAVING CIVILIZATION. Go move out to no where land if you want to live like cave men.

Civilization has become oppression. In form or the other, the organization of man's law and enforcement has done nothing but hold regulations that they themselves see fit and then bring them down onto others with no rightful claim. Your sense of civilization has done nothing but become the demise of humanity and basic instinct.

[Killer]

if everyone took only what they NEEDED then we wouldn't need rules/laws.... BUT humans are greedy... we WANT more than we need... that's where the problem is.

[Ran]

IN ACTUALITY, GOD GIVES AUTHORITY TO MEN (GOVERNMENT) TO ENFORCE THESE LAWS, OR MAYBE NOT GIVES AUTHORITY, BUT HE ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP THINGS IN ORDER...THE BEST WAY THEY CAN, SO IN ESSENCE THEY HAVE THE 'RIGHT' TO GOVERN PEOPLES LIVES. BUT FROM YOUR PROSPECT, PEOPLE GOVERNING PEOPLE, WHO ALL SCREW UP AND DO...WHATS NOT RIGHT.

God is a construct developed by people that fear the unknown prospect of death. If God wishes to enforce the law, then let him do so himself. No man has the right regulate what is appropriate for another.

if everyone took only what they NEEDED then we wouldn't need rules/laws.... BUT humans are greedy... we WANT more than we need... that's where the problem is.

Then take back. Absolute freedom makes your venerable, but also allows you to take action into your own hands. You life becomes your own.

[Killer]

wait wait wait..


rans right........................... i'd love to be able to rape his family and not worry about the repercussions.......

also i have this thing for killing pregnant women... man if i could only get by with that these days!!!

[The Ninja]

The strong rule the weak. Get used to it. Until you have power you will succumb to the superior. If you wish to lead a life without bounds, obtain more power than those who rule you. Its as simple as that, homie.

[The Ninja]

The strong determine what is good/bad, right/wrong, and acceptable/unacceptable. The weak are created to be ruled, and the strong exist to rule.

[Ran]

wait wait wait..


rans right........................... i'd love to be able to rape his family and not worry about the repercussions.......

also i have this thing for killing pregnant women... man if i could only get by with that these days!!!

In a world where freedom is absolute you would have the right to pursue these interests, yet I would maintain the freedom to defend me and mine. Life becomes nothing more than a simple management of risk vs. reward without faceless politicians governing over you. Bare in mind that all men would be free to do as they please, not just one.

[Elbow]

wait wait wait..


rans right........................... i'd love to be able to rape his family and not worry about the repercussions.......

also i have this thing for killing pregnant women... man if i could only get by with that these days!!!

I mean really????? Have you sat down and THOUGHT about what you are saying Ran?

[Maniacc]

We live in a new age of slavery and we don't even know it.
Waking up going to work and do it all over again the next day for payments, bills, ect. We are not free to do what we want.

This has been obvious to me for quite some time now. When I talk to a lot of mexicans who are virgins in the united states always say the same thing; I thought this country would be a place of freedom where you can create your own future without any consequences - yet my life is not only harder but meaningless because day in and day out I'm a slave to the dollar bill.

[Ran]

The strong rule the weak. Get used to it. Until you have power you will succumb to the superior. If you wish to lead a life without bounds, obtain more power than those who rule you. Its as simple as that, homie.

The strong determine what is good/bad, right/wrong, and acceptable/unacceptable. The weak are created to be ruled, and the strong exist to rule.

The strong only exist because we allow them to exist. Those that have power only have because fearful people have given it to them. These meaningless levels of heirarchy are yet another example of an unbalance of power that the sheep have given to those that would extort them.

I mean really????? Have you sat down and THOUGHT about what you are saying Ran?

Yes.

[Elbow]

SO DON'T WORK A 9-5 LOL, DON'T HAVE A JOB LIKE THAT.

It's part of life, sure I am brainwashed I guess for saying that, but THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS, THIS so called devil lifestyle is WHY we are the highest/smartest animals on Earth.

[PSINXS]

We live in a new age of slavery and we don't even know it.
Waking up going to work and do it all over again the next day for payments, bills, ect. We are not free to do what we want.

This has been obvious to me for quite some time now. When I talk to a lot of mexicans who are virgins in the united states always say the same thing; I thought this country would be a place of freedom where you can create your own future without any consequences - yet my life is not only harder but meaningless because day in and day out I'm a slave to the dollar bill.

Totally agree.

salvery never ended. we all are just slaves for different things now.

and i know some hispanics are here illegally, but screw that, the legal ones i feel bad for. They get treated like crap and its not fair. they seem to be stereotyped to do certain types of work.

[Sammich]

God is a construct developed by people that fear the unknown prospect of death. If God wishes to enforce the law, then let him do so himself. No man has the right regulate what is appropriate for another.

HMMMM

[4dmin]

everything we feel/do is based upon our western society influence. w/o order you have chaos; not that say chaos is bad, but order is needed to give masses something to believe in. religion is a prime example of enslavement.

dumb example but a good view of chaos would be watching the new batman - joker: a man w/o boundaries

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” - Aleister Crowley

[Elbow]

You know you don't HAVE to go to work, pay bills, etc.

[Ran]

THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS

Conceding defeat is the way the majority of the population deals with life and it's sickening.

THIS so called devil lifestyle is WHY we are the highest/smartest animals on Earth.

That's open to interpretation. Advances in science, medicine, and technology are meaningless if the basic prinicples of life are lost.

[The Ninja]

There will always be some form of hierarchy. Whether it be physical strength, the ability to rally crowds to one's beckoning, or an intelligence factor.

[Killer]

In a world where freedom is absolute you would have the right to pursue these interests, yet I would maintain the freedom to defend me and mine. Life becomes nothing more than a simple management of risk vs. reward without faceless politicians governing over you. Bare in mind that all men would be free to do as they please, not just one.

..... so you're telling me in a world without repercussion..

i'd have to worry about the repercussion????

c'mon man... laws are laws and rules are rules... they weren't just made up to hold people back.. they were made to help preserve life on this planet...

in your world.. if i stole a loaf of bread from you.. you could kill me.... these laws that are "holding you back" keep things just and fair.. and though there are times they fail us... for the most part they pull through.. i get punished for doing wrong.. but it's a fair punishment.. instead of death...

[Ran]

There will always be some form of hierarchy. Whether it be physical strength, the ability to rally crowds to one's beckoning, or an intelligence factor.

Then challenge it. Take the risks if you deem it worth opposing. There is no need to have something forced down your throat if you don't like it.

[4dmin]

There will always be some form of hierarchy. Whether it be physical strength, the ability to rally crowds to one's beckoning, or an intelligence factor.

this is true and it is b/c human existence requires such. it is impossible for humans to function on any other plane - if we were asexual then lone wolf syndrome would be much easier to accomplish.

[The Ninja]

Sometimes you have to play by the rules of the game to win. Sometimes one gains satisfaction out of winning by another's rules. It shows a different kind of dominance.

[Ran]

..... so you're telling me in a world without repercussion..

i'd have to worry about the repercussion????

I was waiting for this. The only repercussions you worry about are those that you place upon yourself. There are no laws in place aside from the laws of nature.

c'mon man... laws are laws and rules are rules... they weren't just made up to hold people back.. they were made to help preserve life on this planet...

in your world.. if i stole a loaf of bread from you.. you could kill me.... these laws that are "holding you back" keep things just and fair.. and though there are times they fail us... for the most part they pull through.. i get punished for doing wrong.. but it's a fair punishment.. instead of death...

Man-made laws and rules are neither fair nor just by any means. I like you Killer, I really do, but you're a prime example of how people sacrifice freedom for protection. Who deemed what is wrong or right for you? Who placed the laws into action that govern how you can and can not live your life? Are you really content with abiding by another man's will and not taking the basic fruits of life? If you answer yes to that, then I can only feel sorry for you.

[4dmin]

i have a question for Ran? are you religious?

[Ran]

this is true and it is b/c human existence requires such. it is impossible for humans to function on any other plane - if we were asexual then lone wolf syndrome would be much easier to accomplish.

Could you elaborate on this for me Paul?

i have a question for Ran? are you religious?

I don't believe in a structured form of beliefs or the sanctity of the church if that's what you're asking. Do I believe that there is something unexplained outside of this physical existence? Yes.

[Elbow]

I feel free, and I do honestly understand what you are saying, but don't agree at all.

[The Ninja]

When I gain power, I will -make- others abide by my rules or they'll face death. Easy as that. Why? Because I'll have the power to do so, and because that is what I want to do.

[Ran]

I feel free, and I do honestly understand what you are saying, but don't agree at all.

I respect your opinion and, I believe, that you openly expressing it is a prime example of what real freedom is.

[Sammich]

I don't believe in a structured form of beliefs or the sanctity of the church if that's what you're asking. Do I believe that there is something unexplained outside of this physical existence? Yes.

that explains a heap

[4dmin]

Could you elaborate on this for me Paul?

an order or hierarchy establishment is only good when it is needed.... take humans what are the things we need to survive: air, food, water, reproduction...

air = isn't going anywhere
food/water = can be found/created
reproduction = ??? problem

if we were asexual it would be far easier to sustain a life w/o order.

[Ran]

that explains a heap

Religion is like government. The only power it holds is that which you give it. That's my view anyway.

[Maniacc]

The reality of this is that everything is the result of pure organic freedom..

We've freely done this to ourselves.

[4dmin]

Could you elaborate on this for me Paul?

I don't believe in a structured form of beliefs or the sanctity of the church if that's what you're asking. Do I believe that there is something unexplained outside of this physical existence? Yes.

believing in anything greater than yourself already enslaves you

i know this may sound funny but you should read the santanic bible by anton lavey it talks quite a bit about this stuff. aleister crowley is another good occult author w/ stuff on this topic