MMA @ LA Boxing?

[Friggintitsman]

No, i mean Rolls. Royce is his son. Different Jacare. This is Romero "jacare" Cavalcanti. He's one of the founders of alliance and since it's inseption has won most major tournies, over gracies . www.alliancebjj.com for class schedules and shit .

I think you mean Helio Gracie, I've heard a lot of good things about alliance, and have trained with several people that came from there. Also Unit 2 is another gym that is great if you are looking at good BJJ training.

Knuckleup is not a part of LA Boxing... the owners of Knuckleup use to be affiliated with LA boxing before breaking off and becoming Velocity kickboxing. Then after they moved and becamse an MMA gym they became Knuckleup. As for you question Ironchef Knuckleup is a good gym despite what anyone tells you. I have been there for 3 years now and have learned a lot from them. In the beggining my focus was BJJ and Muay Thai, but now I've shifted toward Kali. I realized that since I have no interest in competing or even getting a belt really. My training is strictly for health and possible self defense. I guess simple answer is all in your needs for the training. IMO anyone that knows more than I do is a potential teacher. I have learned techniques from several arts all of which are useful in every day fighting.

[ironchef]

I think you mean Helio Gracie, I've heard a lot of good things about alliance, and have trained with several people that came from there. Also Unit 2 is another gym that is great if you are looking at good BJJ training.

Knuckleup is not a part of LA Boxing... the owners of Knuckleup use to be affiliated with LA boxing before breaking off and becoming Velocity kickboxing. Then after they moved and becamse an MMA gym they became Knuckleup. As for you question Ironchef Knuckleup is a good gym despite what anyone tells you. I have been there for 3 years now and have learned a lot from them. In the beggining my focus was BJJ and Muay Thai, but now I've shifted toward Kali. I realized that since I have no interest in competing or even getting a belt really. My training is strictly for health and possible self defense. I guess simple answer is all in your needs for the training. IMO anyone that knows more than I do is a potential teacher. I have learned techniques from several arts all of which are useful in every day fighting.

Yea I'd be really interested in doing something Muay Thai related, for getting into better shape, conditioning, and knowing good self defense techniques. I think it would be cool to compete in the future once I maybe learn enough, maybe even get to the UFC. Though I don't expect to be the next GSP haha.

[Friggintitsman]

Yea I'd be really interested in doing something Muay Thai related, for getting into better shape, conditioning, and knowing good self defense techniques. I think it would be cool to compete in the future once I maybe learn enough, maybe even get to the UFC. Though I don't expect to be the next GSP haha.

Well if you want to train in Muay Thai and stay in Alpharetta I would suggest Knuckleup by all means. Frank Milsap is one of two trainers there. He is a really good teacher and all out cool guy too.

[SleepingTalon]

I think you mean Helio Gracie, I've heard a lot of good things about alliance, and have trained with several people that came from there. Also Unit 2 is another gym that is great if you are looking at good BJJ training.

Knuckleup is not a part of LA Boxing... the owners of Knuckleup use to be affiliated with LA boxing before breaking off and becoming Velocity kickboxing. Then after they moved and becamse an MMA gym they became Knuckleup. As for you question Ironchef Knuckleup is a good gym despite what anyone tells you. I have been there for 3 years now and have learned a lot from them. In the beggining my focus was BJJ and Muay Thai, but now I've shifted toward Kali. I realized that since I have no interest in competing or even getting a belt really. My training is strictly for health and possible self defense. I guess simple answer is all in your needs for the training. IMO anyone that knows more than I do is a potential teacher. I have learned techniques from several arts all of which are useful in every day fighting.

Yes, this is true. I've trained at KU before with Steve Headden, and he's a very good coach. Also, just so there isn't some misinformation in this thread, there are A LOT of good BJJ black belts in this state. Roberto Traven won the Mundials and is a world champion, Paul Creighton is a black belt under Renzo Gracie, and has fought in the UFC (he actually fought BJ Penn). IMO, the BEST BJJ coach in the state is my current coach, Ricardo Murgel. He moved here last summer and just got promoted to 8th degree BJJ black belt under Flavio Behring a few weeks ago. This promotion now puts Master Murgel at a VERY ELITE level, and at the same level as Rickson Gracie, who if you know your lineage, you'll know he's the BEST in the Gracie family, and that's not even up for debate...it's fact. He is also founder of the Union Fight Team in Brazil, and is the person who gave Nate Marquardt his BJJ black belt. He's on his way back to Brazil in a few weeks for his promotion ceremony. Among those attending are the Nogueira brothers, Anderson Silva, both of who he has trained. Google his name and you'll see why I will say he's top of the food chain in this state.

[willum14pb]

Yes, this is true. I've trained at KU before with Steve Headden, and he's a very good coach. Also, just so there isn't some misinformation in this thread, there are A LOT of good BJJ black belts in this state. Roberto Traven won the Mundials and is a world champion, Paul Creighton is a black belt under Renzo Gracie, and has fought in the UFC (he actually fought BJ Penn). IMO, the BEST BJJ coach in the state is my current coach, Ricardo Murgel. He moved here last summer and just got promoted to 8th degree BJJ black belt under Flavio Behring a few weeks ago. This promotion now puts Master Murgel at a VERY ELITE level, and at the same level as Rickson Gracie, who if you know your lineage, you'll know he's the BEST in the Gracie family, and that's not even up for debate...it's fact. He is also founder of the Union Fight Team in Brazil, and is the person who gave Nate Marquardt his BJJ black belt. He's on his way back to Brazil in a few weeks for his promotion ceremony. Among those attending are the Nogueira brothers, Anderson Silva, both of who he has trained. Google his name and you'll see why I will say he's top of the food chain in this state.

fyi, roberto traven recieved his black belt from alliance, under jacare. The best teacher, hands down, statistically, is jacare. His students/organization win more events than anyone.

[willum14pb]

I think you mean Helio Gracie, I've heard a lot of good things about alliance, and have trained with several people that came from there. Also Unit 2 is another gym that is great if you are looking at good BJJ training.

Knuckleup is not a part of LA Boxing... the owners of Knuckleup use to be affiliated with LA boxing before breaking off and becoming Velocity kickboxing. Then after they moved and becamse an MMA gym they became Knuckleup. As for you question Ironchef Knuckleup is a good gym despite what anyone tells you. I have been there for 3 years now and have learned a lot from them. In the beggining my focus was BJJ and Muay Thai, but now I've shifted toward Kali. I realized that since I have no interest in competing or even getting a belt really. My training is strictly for health and possible self defense. I guess simple answer is all in your needs for the training. IMO anyone that knows more than I do is a potential teacher. I have learned techniques from several arts all of which are useful in every day fighting.

Jacare (Portuguese for 'Alligator') grew up on the mean streets of Rio and holds the last of only five Black Belts awarded by the legendary Rolls Gracie. <-- LA Boxing spiraled to Velocity, which spiraled to Knuckle Up. it's all the same. If you plan on going to knuckle up to get in shape, that's fine, great place to go. However, if you plan on competing, it's not the place to be. I've attended classes at knuckle up and alliance, and i stuck with the obvious choice for competition. Depends what your goals are.

[Friggintitsman]

Jacare (Portuguese for 'Alligator') grew up on the mean streets of Rio and holds the last of only five Black Belts awarded by the legendary Rolls Gracie. <-- LA Boxing spiraled to Velocity, which spiraled to Knuckle Up. it's all the same. If you plan on going to knuckle up to get in shape, that's fine, great place to go. However, if you plan on competing, it's not the place to be. I've attended classes at knuckle up and alliance, and i stuck with the obvious choice for competition. Depends what your goals are.

I only said that because you claimed Rolls invented BJJ, but he trained under Helio (his uncle).

I haven't trained at alliance, but I've heard good things.

[willum14pb]

I only said that because you claimed Rolls invented BJJ, but he trained under Helio (his uncle).

I haven't trained at alliance, but I've heard good things.

ah. yea i knew that. but rolls is really the guy who spiraled it and invented the majority of moves. Helio took it from it's ancestral form and made it a little brazillian.. rolls completed the transformation :P. Jacare is considered his only equal on the mat.

[SleepingTalon]

Jacare (Portuguese for 'Alligator') grew up on the mean streets of Rio and holds the last of only five Black Belts awarded by the legendary Rolls Gracie. <-- LA Boxing spiraled to Velocity, which spiraled to Knuckle Up. it's all the same. If you plan on going to knuckle up to get in shape, that's fine, great place to go. However, if you plan on competing, it's not the place to be. I've attended classes at knuckle up and alliance, and i stuck with the obvious choice for competition. Depends what your goals are.

This is simply NOT true, and a lot of pro fighters would take exception to that statement, so I would be careful to not offend people. What do you base this on, because MANY of their head instructors, including Diego Saraiva, Rafael Assuncao, and Junior Assuncao, all came from the KU camp, and made it to the big show, the UFC/WEC. Bernard Rutherford was signed with the IFL before they shut their doors a few months ago, and Steve Headden was invited and training regularly with Quinton Jackson, Michael Bisping, and Chieck Kongo for all their biggest fights, including Rampage's fight with Dan Henderson. All of the above were head coaches at KU, and very solid, so saying that it's not a place to go to if you wanna compete is simply not true.

[willum14pb]

This is simply NOT true, and a lot of pro fighters would take exception to that statement, so I would be careful to not offend people. What do you base this on, because MANY of their head instructors, including Diego Saraiva, Rafael Assuncao, and Junior Assuncao, all came from the KU camp, and made it to the big show, the UFC/WEC. Bernard Rutherford was signed with the IFL before they shut their doors a few months ago, and Steve Headden was invited and training regularly with Quinton Jackson, Michael Bisping, and Chieck Kongo for all their biggest fights, including Rampage's fight with Dan Henderson. All of the above were head coaches at KU, and very solid, so saying that it's not a place to go to if you wanna compete is simply not true.

If you ask junior who used to train him he'll tell you.. Manu.. People don't go to knuckle up to LEARN how to fight. The people you mentioned already fought, and had tons of previous training from others. They came to knuckle up for money, i know this for fact. If you ask them, they will tell you. Unless they're being dishonest.

[SleepingTalon]

If you ask junior who used to train him he'll tell you.. Manu.. People don't go to knuckle up to LEARN how to fight. The people you mentioned already fought, and had tons of previous training from others. They came to knuckle up for money, i know this for fact. If you ask them, they will tell you. Unless they're being dishonest.

This is not what you were arguing. You were arguing about the level of instruction, and with many pro fighters who made it to the UFC/WEC, the level of instruction has definitely been on par with many places. Many fighters in this state train with one another. I've trained with Jeff Bedard, who brought Sean Sherk down with him, and Paul Creighton, who brought Matt Serra in. That's what fighters do, it's not uncommon. It's not like the people I mentioned owe their entire BJJ and MT games to Alliance. Alliance is a top notch place, but what you're suggesting is simply not true.

[willum14pb]

This is not what you were arguing. You were arguing about the level of instruction, and with many pro fighters who made it to the UFC/WEC, the level of instruction has definitely been on par with many places. Many fighters in this state train with one another. I've trained with Jeff Bedard, who brought Sean Sherk down with him, and Paul Creighton, who brought Matt Serra in. That's what fighters do, it's not uncommon. It's not like the people I mentioned owe their entire BJJ and MT games to Alliance. Alliance is a top notch place, but what you're suggesting is simply not true.

I'm simply suggesting that KU does not produce champions, in anything. Again, i will state, the "top notch" fighters you claim at KU were all part of a previous training camp that converted to KU for MONEY.

[Friggintitsman]

I'm simply suggesting that KU does not produce champions, in anything. Again, i will state, the "top notch" fighters you claim at KU were all part of a previous training camp that converted to KU for MONEY.

I know some people that would be plenty pissed if they heard you say that.

[SleepingTalon]

I'm simply suggesting that KU does not produce champions, in anything. Again, i will state, the "top notch" fighters you claim at KU were all part of a previous training camp that converted to KU for MONEY.

KU hasn't been around long enough to produce their own champions in MMA, which is what their focal point really is. No, KU didn't groom those fighters, but you were trying to deter someone from going there because you said that it's not good if you wanna compete, but if solid guys are instructing there, then that would make your statement invalid.

[Friggintitsman]

This is simply NOT true, and a lot of pro fighters would take exception to that statement, so I would be careful to not offend people. What do you base this on, because MANY of their head instructors, including Diego Saraiva, Rafael Assuncao, and Junior Assuncao, all came from the KU camp, and made it to the big show, the UFC/WEC. Bernard Rutherford was signed with the IFL before they shut their doors a few months ago, and Steve Headden was invited and training regularly with Quinton Jackson, Michael Bisping, and Chieck Kongo for all their biggest fights, including Rampage's fight with Dan Henderson. All of the above were head coaches at KU, and very solid, so saying that it's not a place to go to if you wanna compete is simply not true.

Although I agree somewhat with will about Jacre and Manu, Knuckleup does have some good trainers. I think their problem when it comes to competing is that they put people out there that have no business fighting because they are undertrained.

[SleepingTalon]

Although I agree somewhat with will about Jacre and Manu, Knuckleup does have some good trainers. I think their problem when it comes to competing is that they put people out there that have no business fighting because they are undertrained.

Every gym has that. Greg Jackson's gym, Greg Nelson's gym, AKA in San Jose, etc. You can't tell people that they can't fight if they want to. I'm helping a friend get ready for a fight in December and he's been training for 6 months, so it's very well possible that he could lose, but that's his choice. Atlanta is a newer hub for elite MMA. Roan Carneiro just moved here too and started an Atlanta branch of American Top Team, so it's starting to come around, but it'll take awhile. I've been doing this since 2004, and it was a lot smaller back then. It's getting pretty crazy now.

[willum14pb]

Every gym has that. Greg Jackson's gym, Greg Nelson's gym, AKA in San Jose, etc. You can't tell people that they can't fight if they want to. I'm helping a friend get ready for a fight in December and he's been training for 6 months, so it's very well possible that he could lose, but that's his choice. Atlanta is a newer hub for elite MMA. Roan Carneiro just moved here too and started an Atlanta branch of American Top Team, so it's starting to come around, but it'll take awhile. I've been doing this since 2004, and it was a lot smaller back then. It's getting pretty crazy now.

yea, too many wannabe's now.. frankly it's annoying. i hate the guys that come in, and when you ask if they have experience they make up some bullshit artist background about having trained in this and that fora little. who cares, just say no, i dont, and start fresh. Everyone wants to come in and act tough, it's really annoying.