Obama '08

[tony]

Wow

Proof?

Did you not read my other post or do I need more evidence for it to be made obvious that McSame doesn't know what the hell he is doing?

[man]

Did you not read my other post or do I need more evidence for it to be made obvious that McSame doesn't know what the hell he is doing?

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

[Lucky DAWG]

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

I agree on the second part.



McCain just recently has put a lot of his campaign in the hands of another man from the Bush Campaign in 04' (i forget his name) up to this point he has been reciting speeches he has mostly compiled himself with the help of a few others. He can hardly even read a teleprompter.


Obama's eloquence and excellent rhetoric has been read verbatim off of a telepromter written by someone else.

[tony]

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:

"I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

[Lucky DAWG]

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:



So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

I agree to a point, Obama physically would have a more intellectual and more capable brain of learning new knowledge based on age, you can't get around that. But i just simply don't think he will be a good leader, he may know more but i just don't think he has good qualities of leadership; plus i just don't agree with a lot of his policies.



I see where you are coming from though Tony and always respectfully disagree because i see the sense in what you say.



But i do not understand where FcMan is coming from on justifying your right to not vote. I know you have the right, you have the right to sit on your ass and watch spounge bob all day; but it doesn't make you a responsible or respectful human being imo

[Alan®]

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:



So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

I still don't think that video shows McCain's "Intelligence". I see that video as the equivallent to a blooper on a tv show. He just messed up is all. I have a hard time beliveing that a guy that was in the military, that pushed for the surge, so on and so forth, would honestly not be able to tell you the difference. Hell I'll be honest I can only give you a very limited compare and contrast of the two. And yea ok Obama may have talked about both subjects at length but that doesn't mean that he can actually make the right call based on what he "knows" hell according to what he "knew" we were going to pull out of iraq within 16 months of taking office(something that everyone knows will never happen).

Obama has a lot of stuff in his ecconomic plan that he simply can not pay for(like universal health care) and to add to that he will be hitting hard the small business owners in this country. I'll give you an example.

One of the things on Obama's ecconomic plan is if a small company has over 19 employees and one of them decides to take leave (I forget what for) the employee gets paid meanwhile the employer is having to fill him employee temporarily. My dad has already said if he gets in and gets that through. He will do whatever it takes to get down to 19. And you would be crazy to think that other small business owners won't do the same thing.

To add to this last week a guy called him out on it durring one of his town hall meetings and Obama said "No I'm not oging to do that and I'm not going to raise your taxes either". This after the guy read it straight out of his ecconomic plan.

Yes a guy that is 40 can learn more than a a guy that is 70 I'll give you that but at the end of the day Obama is about the redistribution of wealth in America and I don't agree with that.

[BB6dohcvtec]

I still don't think that video shows McCain's "Intelligence". I see that video as the equivallent to a blooper on a tv show. He just messed up is all. I have a hard time beliveing that a guy that was in the military, that pushed for the surge, so on and so forth, would honestly not be able to tell you the difference. Hell I'll be honest I can only give you a very limited compare and contrast of the two. And yea ok Obama may have talked about both subjects at length but that doesn't mean that he can actually make the right call based on what he "knows" hell according to what he "knew" we were going to pull out of iraq within 16 months of taking office(something that everyone knows will never happen).

Obama has a lot of stuff in his ecconomic plan that he simply can not pay for(like universal health care) and to add to that he will be hitting hard the small business owners in this country. I'll give you an example.

One of the things on Obama's ecconomic plan is if a small company has over 19 employees and one of them decides to take leave (I forget what for) the employee gets paid meanwhile the employer is having to fill him employee temporarily. My dad has already said if he gets in and gets that through. He will do whatever it takes to get down to 19. And you would be crazy to think that other small business owners won't do the same thing.

To add to this last week a guy called him out on it durring one of his town hall meetings and Obama said "No I'm not oging to do that and I'm not going to raise your taxes either". This after the guy read it straight out of his ecconomic plan.

Yes a guy that is 40 can learn more than a a guy that is 70 I'll give you that but at the end of the day Obama is about the redistribution of wealth in America and I don't agree with that.

Damn how did he get his final economic plan. didn't know he even had a definite one yet.

[tony]

I still don't think that video shows McCain's "Intelligence". I see that video as the equivallent to a blooper on a tv show. He just messed up is all. I have a hard time beliveing that a guy that was in the military, that pushed for the surge, so on and so forth, would honestly not be able to tell you the difference. Hell I'll be honest I can only give you a very limited compare and contrast of the two. And yea ok Obama may have talked about both subjects at length but that doesn't mean that he can actually make the right call based on what he "knows" hell according to what he "knew" we were going to pull out of iraq within 16 months of taking office(something that everyone knows will never happen).

Bloopers is someone tripping over a toy, ladder falling from a roof.. NOT misunderstanding the culture of a present War Zone. You may have a hard time believing it but that is not the only time he has made that "blunder" He doesn't understand, he's too old. By the way he still refers to Vietnamese as "gooks," and I quote:

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Thats the man you support.

Obama has a lot of stuff in his ecconomic plan that he simply can not pay for(like universal health care) and to add to that he will be hitting hard the small business owners in this country. I'll give you an example.

Do you read? Comprehend english? If so tell me where it says Universal Healthcare

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

One of the things on Obama's ecconomic plan is if a small company has over 19 employees and one of them decides to take leave (I forget what for) the employee gets paid meanwhile the employer is having to fill him employee temporarily. My dad has already said if he gets in and gets that through. He will do whatever it takes to get down to 19. And you would be crazy to think that other small business owners won't do the same thing.

With any politician they don't get it right on every single issue. I'll choose the candidate who plans to pull us out of an economic recession, end the war in Iraq and pursue alternative fuels over say.. your dad's 19 employees, sorry but there are much more important issues to me.

[Lucky DAWG]

Bloopers is someone tripping over a toy, ladder falling from a roof.. NOT misunderstanding the culture of a present War Zone. You may have a hard time believing it but that is not the only time he has made that "blunder" He doesn't understand, he's too old. By the way he still refers to Vietnamese as "gooks," and I quote:



Thats the man you support.



Do you read? Comprehend english? If so tell me where it says Universal Healthcare

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/



With any politician they don't get it right on every single issue. I'll choose the candidate who plans to pull us out of an economic recession, end the war in Iraq and pursue alternative fuels over say.. your dad's 19 employees, sorry but there are much more important issues to me.

This is true that you can't get the best package all in one man...




But taxing to hell and back the private sector to redistribute the wealth in a time like this is no way to pull a country out of a recession.

[tony]

This is true that you can't get the best package all in one man...




But taxing to hell and back the private sector to redistribute the wealth in a time like this is no way to pull a country out of a recession.

So would you rather him tax the middle and lower classes instead? Someone has to pay, in some fashion or another we will all have to contribute to the cause.

[Alan®]

Bloopers is someone tripping over a toy, ladder falling from a roof.. NOT misunderstanding the culture of a present War Zone. You may have a hard time believing it but that is not the only time he has made that "blunder" He doesn't understand, he's too old. By the way he still refers to Vietnamese as "gooks," and I quote:



Thats the man you support.



Do you read? Comprehend english? If so tell me where it says Universal Healthcare

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/



With any politician they don't get it right on every single issue. I'll choose the candidate who plans to pull us out of an economic recession, end the war in Iraq and pursue alternative fuels over say.. your dad's 19 employees, sorry but there are much more important issues to me.

Tony fact of the matter is you have still yet to definitevly proved that he misunderstood the culture of a war zone. All you have shown me is one video where he go two tribes mixed up. We all make small mistakes like that. McCain is a man no different or better from the rest of us.


As far as the universal health care thing

Well, look, I believe in universal health care, as does Sen. Clinton. And the point of the debate, is that Sen. Clinton repeatedly claims that I don't stand for universal health care. And, you know, for Sen. Clinton to say that, I think, is simply not accurate. Every expert has said that anybody who wants health care under my plan will be able to obtain it. President Clinton's own secretary of Labor has said that my plan does more to reduce costs and as a consequence makes sure that the people who need health care right now, all across America, will be able to obtain it. And we do more to reduce costs than any other plan that's been out there.

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070125-the_time_has_co/
Notice the title.

[tony]

Tony fact of the matter is you have still yet to definitevly proved that he misunderstood the culture of a war zone. All you have shown me is one video where he go two tribes mixed up. We all make small mistakes like that. McCain is a man no different or better from the rest of us.

First, I'm not here to prove anything to you because at the end of the day, McCain is going to lose.. if you don't see that McCain does not have the mental capacity to effectively lead a country then nothing I type will sway that kind of ignorance anyway.

Second, McCain better be different from the rest of us if he is trying to become Commander in Chief. First and foremost the Commander in Chief should not mistake the demographics of a present and at times hostile occupation. Those are the kind of mistakes that got us in this situation in the first place.. not understanding what is REALLY going on in Iraq

As far as the universal health care thing




http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070125-the_time_has_co/
Notice the title.

You cite an article and quote from January 2007, I give you THE direct and current source in Barack Obama's healthcare plan. His positions have changed over the course of the campaign. Again, nowhere in his CURRENT plan does he mention Universal Healthcare.