Obama '08

[AnthonyF]

yeah, but both candadites suck. there is no good choice.

At lease McCain is intelligent and knows what the fuk he is talking about. Obama doesnt know a god damn thing. THATS why he wont debate McCain, b/c McCain will chew his ass out and shìt him out right there on the stage...and it'd still look better than the original Obama.

-Ant.

[Lucky DAWG]

At lease McCain is intelligent and knows what the fuk he is talking about. Obama doesnt know a god damn thing. THATS why he wont debate McCain, b/c McCain will chew his ass out and shìt him out right there on the stage...and it'd still look better than the original Obama.

-Ant.

ummm..... REPPED




and who cares if he doesn't vote, its just weeding out the morons if they don't vote

[man]

and who cares if he doesn't vote, its just weeding out the morons if they don't vote

Obviously you care enough to have your panties in a wad about people not voting.

Electing not to vote is no worse than voting if you don't like either candidate.

If someone asked (not forced) you to choose to get raped by a gorilla or a donkey, would you choose?

I have no problem with voting, I have voted in the past (voted in the primaries) and will vote in the future, but trying to vote for the candidate you hate the least is idiotic. The "have to vote" mindset is just another way to keep people under control and happy because they think that they have a say in the government.

[Lucky DAWG]

Obviously you care enough to have your panties in a wad about people not voting.

Electing not to vote is no worse than voting if you don't like either candidate.

If someone asked (not forced) you to choose to get raped by a gorilla or a donkey, would you choose?

I have no problem with voting, I have voted in the past (voted in the primaries) and will vote in the future, but trying to vote for the candidate you hate the least is idiotic. The "have to vote" mindset is just another way to keep people under control and happy because they think that they have a say in the government.

by panties in a wad you mean calling him an idiot? I'm HAPPY he is not voting. There are way more liberals out there who do not vote then conservatives, so it benefits me...



And i think an elephant and a donkey would have been a better metaphor, but i hardly think it is relevant at all.



Whether or not you LIKE either candidate, one is going to serve the interest of you and your country better then the other in your mind, and to do nothing is pure stupidity when you are given so much.



In reference to the bolded: That is the dumbest thing i have heard, are you trying to tell me you have a conspiracy theory for voting? I would not doubt it has been tampered with before when on the wire like with the Florida controversy (although i don't think it did, but its not far fetched), but to have that overall opinion about the system is retarded.


This sounds like beating a dead horse with a stick, but go to another country where you don't get to vote; no matter how many times someone can tell you that age old saying, it still rings true.


This apathy is the main problem with America today, voting should always be something you do regardless.

[man]

Whether or not you LIKE either candidate, one is going to serve the interest of you and your country better then the other in your mind, and to do nothing is pure stupidity when you are given so much.

Never been one for egocentrism, sorry. And to think either is more right than the other is nothing more than closed-mindedness. Policies always seems right to the people that agree with them.

In reference to the bolded: That is the dumbest thing i have heard, are you trying to tell me you have a conspiracy theory for voting? I would not doubt it has been tampered with before when on the wire like with the Florida controversy (although i don't think it did, but its not far fetched), but to have that overall opinion about the system is retarded.

Not a theory at all.

This sounds like beating a dead horse with a stick, but go to another country where you don't get to vote; no matter how many times someone can tell you that age old saying, it still rings true.

This apathy is the main problem with America today, voting should always be something you do regardless.

I'll bite hard on this , being a crazy CUBAN and all. Seems like YOU are the one out of touch with what democracy is. We have the CHOICE to vote. Perhaps you are the one that needs to go to another country...

Not trying to be harsh here, but it seems like no one is willing to exercise their freedoms, because no one knows how much they are really worth.

[Lucky DAWG]

Never been one for egocentrism, sorry. And to think either is more right than the other is nothing more than closed-mindedness. Policies always seems right to the people that agree with them.



Not a theory at all.



I'll bite hard on this , being a crazy CUBAN and all. Seems like YOU are the one out of touch with what democracy is. We have the CHOICE to vote. Perhaps you are the one that needs to go to another country...

Ofcourse policies seem right to the people that agree with them, that is what society is all about, what are you rambling on about?




What the hell does being Cuban have to be with it? You're right you do have the choice, and you also have the choice to be a responsible adult and go out and try and change something if you don't agree with it.



A miracle candidate is not going to pop out of thin air and say everything you want to hear. Are you just not going to vote until that happens? you won't be voting for a long time if so. If you actually and truely believed in what Obama is saying then i would encourage you to vote, if you wanted McCain then i would be delighted to have another vote on the board for him too.


It doesn't need to be written out that you need to vote for you to realize how important it is.




Exercising your freedoms would be taking a stance, not sitting back and watching the world pass you by. And you are right one vote won't change anything by itself, but by taking a positive attitude you will influence others around you into believing in their choice and that kind of attitude is contagious, or atleast i would hope so in this modern world; otherwise you will let others run all over you.

[man]

A miracle candidate is not going to pop out of thin air and say everything you want to hear. Are you just not going to vote until that happens? you won't be voting for a long time if so. If you actually and truely believed in what Obama is saying then i would encourage you to vote, if you wanted McCain then i would be delighted to have another vote on the board for him too.


It doesn't need to be written out that you need to vote for you to realize how important it is.


Exercising your freedoms would be taking a stance, not sitting back and watching the world pass you by. And you are right one vote won't change anything by itself, but by taking a positive attitude you will influence others around you into believing in their choice and that kind of attitude is contagious, or atleast i would hope so in this modern world; otherwise you will let others run all over you.

The only frustrating thing about debating this with you is the fact that you say the right things, but from a different point of view and with a different meaning, without regard for others' views. I understand your mentality and when you mention taking a stance, that is exactly what I'm doing. I have followed both campaigns and am well aware of the policies being discussed. I am exercising my freedom to it's fullest extent.

I do vote as I have said earlier and when you say I am just sitting back watching the world pass me by, you couldn't be further from the truth. Voting for something you don't believe is far more passive than refusing to vote for that same thing.

[tony]

At lease McCain is intelligent and knows what the fuk he is talking about. Obama doesnt know a god damn thing. THATS why he wont debate McCain, b/c McCain will chew his ass out and shìt him out right there on the stage...and it'd still look better than the original Obama.

-Ant.

See above post, first debate is coming and believe me.. McCain is far below Obama's level as far as intelligence goes.

[man]

McCain is far below Obama's level as far as intelligence goes.

Wow

Proof?

[tony]

Wow

Proof?

Did you not read my other post or do I need more evidence for it to be made obvious that McSame doesn't know what the hell he is doing?

[man]

Did you not read my other post or do I need more evidence for it to be made obvious that McSame doesn't know what the hell he is doing?

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

[Lucky DAWG]

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

I agree on the second part.



McCain just recently has put a lot of his campaign in the hands of another man from the Bush Campaign in 04' (i forget his name) up to this point he has been reciting speeches he has mostly compiled himself with the help of a few others. He can hardly even read a teleprompter.


Obama's eloquence and excellent rhetoric has been read verbatim off of a telepromter written by someone else.

[tony]

None of them are DOING anything other than reciting speeches at the moment. Talk is cheap.

Since when is knowing the differences b/w very similar cultures/religions a definitive display of intelligence?

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:

"I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

[Lucky DAWG]

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:



So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

I agree to a point, Obama physically would have a more intellectual and more capable brain of learning new knowledge based on age, you can't get around that. But i just simply don't think he will be a good leader, he may know more but i just don't think he has good qualities of leadership; plus i just don't agree with a lot of his policies.



I see where you are coming from though Tony and always respectfully disagree because i see the sense in what you say.



But i do not understand where FcMan is coming from on justifying your right to not vote. I know you have the right, you have the right to sit on your ass and watch spounge bob all day; but it doesn't make you a responsible or respectful human being imo

[Alan®]

Lets define intelligence;

Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason

In that video McCain is in THEIR region, he has been briefed but he still does not understand the difference between the cultures. That knowledge is detrimental to any solutions being made in Iraq.

John McCain stated himself:



So if the man has limited knowledge of the culture in Iraq, and limited knowledge of Economics.. two very important issues in this country at the moment but I know I have heard Obama speak at lengths about both subjects, its quite easy to conclude that McCain is not on the same level as Obama as it pertains to things going on in this country today.

Furthermore, its no secret that if you typically put a 71 year old's mental stability vs someone in their mid 40's, the younger person has a greater mental capacity. There are exceptions but I seriously doubt McCain is one.

I still don't think that video shows McCain's "Intelligence". I see that video as the equivallent to a blooper on a tv show. He just messed up is all. I have a hard time beliveing that a guy that was in the military, that pushed for the surge, so on and so forth, would honestly not be able to tell you the difference. Hell I'll be honest I can only give you a very limited compare and contrast of the two. And yea ok Obama may have talked about both subjects at length but that doesn't mean that he can actually make the right call based on what he "knows" hell according to what he "knew" we were going to pull out of iraq within 16 months of taking office(something that everyone knows will never happen).

Obama has a lot of stuff in his ecconomic plan that he simply can not pay for(like universal health care) and to add to that he will be hitting hard the small business owners in this country. I'll give you an example.

One of the things on Obama's ecconomic plan is if a small company has over 19 employees and one of them decides to take leave (I forget what for) the employee gets paid meanwhile the employer is having to fill him employee temporarily. My dad has already said if he gets in and gets that through. He will do whatever it takes to get down to 19. And you would be crazy to think that other small business owners won't do the same thing.

To add to this last week a guy called him out on it durring one of his town hall meetings and Obama said "No I'm not oging to do that and I'm not going to raise your taxes either". This after the guy read it straight out of his ecconomic plan.

Yes a guy that is 40 can learn more than a a guy that is 70 I'll give you that but at the end of the day Obama is about the redistribution of wealth in America and I don't agree with that.

[Lucky DAWG]

See above post, first debate is coming and believe me.. McCain is far below Obama's level as far as intelligence goes.

a Harvard degree gets you so far when your whole agenda is borderline socialist and you are completely disconnected from the people that you intend to lead and are incapable of taking a stand and simply attending the Senate to make key voting decisions which time and time again has been shown he does not do.