i agree. another point is that in some cars the auto tranny is ALOT stronger then the manual. at least in my case the 4.0 mustangs come with either a t-5 manual or the 50r50 auto. the new t-5 is a complete piece of ****. the 50r50 is what they use in the GTs too and holds power alot better. i love my auto and between my tuned auto and a tuned 5 speed there isnt much difference if any...