Yeah, those are only for the warrants. His charges aren't THAT many in number...Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5
how the hell?! i thought only four people died... thats like taking out a soccer team!
They might try to give him a two for one or try to combine them. i hope he gets every single one of them
4 vehicular homicide...
1 reckless with injury
4 hit-n-run
Sometime like that...
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So did he actually hit or 'clip' the SUV to receive those hit and run charges?
If not, who was the other person that supposedly 'hit' him, and caused him to spin out?
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Yeah, they touched (or he touched someone). His attorney is claiming that HE was "hit" by someone, but not specific as to who.
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Lets see how this pans out but its not looking good, especially with eye witness accounts.
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According to his parents, he didn't flee the scene. He got off at the next available exit to go get help. Where did he go? I know it couldn't have taken him a few days to find help. Later, QD.
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i just hope the dot cameras caught the whole thing.
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wasnt it a RSX??
yeah he just turned himself in.
i went to kindergarden through high school with cody. he's actually a good guy but it doesn't look good for him at all! i feel really bad for the people that lost their lifes! but im not jumping to conclusions b/c i wasnt there. prayers go out to the family's.
I just wonder. How does a limo get FLIPPED? I don't care how fast that RSX was going when it contacted the limo, the limo didn't flip until the limo driver did something boneheaded.
Also, I wonder who in the limo was wearing their seatbelt and if the baby was properly secured in a car seat. Since it's a limo, chances are slim that anyone was wearing a seatbelt or that a carseat was in use.
Doesn't make the kid any less of a moron for fleeing, but I wouldn't hold him as responsible for the deaths since such accidents become significantly more survivable when seatbelts are in use.
My condolences to all involved.
What a moron.. Who goes 100+ and tries to pass someone on a shoulder.. WOW, funny why would he say someone hit hit and he didn't know there was another accident after? He just drove off after being drilled by someone else? IDIOT!! I hope the DOT cameras caught something
You're a complete dumbass. Later, QD.
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I hope he burns in hell for killing those people.
i hope that white trash fat f*ck gets his sh*t pushed in by a big black guy name butch for being so damn careless. This kind of stuff is what gives us car guys a bad name.
If the person's name is Butch, chances are, he's a she. Later, QD.
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even better.
You completely missed the point.
I'm a pretty smart guy and think of myself as tough to have the wool pulled over my eyes. But there was no word play in your post. You pretty much stated what I read. If there was an alternate point to your post, you may want to rephrase it because, from what I read, my post to you stands. Later, QD.
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when I see that car i keep thinking its the red RSX with vuongs garage sticker on the backseat side windows
though its probably not
i hope he gets every bit of the charges.
well hey. at least ALL rsx drivers arent like that.....
You just have the classic emotional response to this, just like everyone else.
My response is to think about how to minimize the chances of something like this happening again. Is throwing this kid in jail for life going to save anymore lives? Probably not. People do stupid things all the time no matter what kind of consequences you impress upon them. I don't think this kid went out looking to kill anyone. It's just unfortunate that his stupid actions intertwined with a glaring lapse in safety precaution of another family.
You're never going to stop people from being stupid. Never. However, you can encourage people to think about safety. This accident was probably 100% survivable by all if seat belts had been worn. The two people in the Corolla that got SMASHED by the limo survived.
So the statement I made, the purpose of which you missed, is that it's really stupid that no one thinks to put on a seat belt in a limo. I for one, HATE going for limo rides for that exact reason. Riding to my ex g/f's prom, as soon as the limo got on the interstate or started moving at any decent speed, I started sweating bullets. As a kid, I always thought it was stupid that school buses didn't have seat belts. Even now, I think it's a travesty that people in cars get ticketed for not wearing seat belts or for transporting a child without a safety seat, but it's a. ok if you're in a limo. What my comment was aimed to do is to get people to think twice about getting into ANY road going vehicle w/o a seat belt. You never know if the limo driver is going to fall asleep, if you're going to get rear ended, who knows what.
I never absolved this kid of the blame for his actions. He caused an accident and should have to face the consequences for just that. The accident. He probably wasn't looking to kill anyone. The deaths were just an unfortunate result of multiple factors, not just the impact with the RSX.
I don't have any "classical" anything for this. I have my own feelings about anything. Everyone on IA knows that I can't stand an idiot driver and wish death upon all people that drive like this guy. This was just an accident waiting to happen with his erratic driving. He wasn't being forced to drive this way. It was intentional. It wasn't like he was forced to accidentally cut the limo off. It was idiotic driving style that did it. In the case of the non-survivors and their survival chances, you used the one word that we will never know as a fact: "probably." There have been plenty of seat belt related deaths as well as no seat belts. Of course you used an ironic choice of word set. How can something be 100% probable? Isn't that a form of an oxymoron?
But back to the subject. He should face charges way more serious than just causing an accident. I think he should face murder (vehicular homicide) myself. Among reckless driving, speeding, causing an accident, fleeing the scene, hit and run and others. Why murder? Two things come to mind. Like I said before, he knew he was driving the way he was. He wasn't driving like that on accident. He was trying to "hotdog" on the freeway. The other reason? He left the scene. He says he went to go get help. It took him two days to find help? He only gave up because he was caught.
I agree with the point of wearing a seat belt wholeheartedly though. Later, QD.
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My opinion is that the kid should lose his right to drive, not his right to live. You are trying to implicate that he intentionally killed these people. You don't know what the circumstances were. Would it sway your opinion any if evidence surfaced to show that he was fully applying the brakes, but pulled into the emergency lane upon realizing that he had no chance of avoiding a direct rear end hit on the limo? At this point, there's no possible way to know what exactly what his intent was. He was quite possibly breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. The maximum punishment for that is loss of driving privileges, not death.
As for your citation of an "oxymoron", I'm sure you are smart enough to know what I was saying. Dissecting semantics when the meaning is clear is a fool's game.
I think it's 100% probable that he got lit at the braves game, caused this accident while drunk, then hid from the cops long enough to sober up so he wouldn't get the DUI on top of everything else.
Hey Raz, it wasn't a Limo in the traditional sense. It was a more or less a shuttle from the airport in a Expedition, hence the easy rollover. Either way, the kid severely ****ed up driving like an idiot. I am also very suspicous that no one was wearing their seatbelts. I was pondering that from the get go. The car wasn't damages that badly considering. Also, going by the account that one of the survivors couldn't find other family members when the motion stopped indicates that they left the car during the accident.
Here is another idea for you people. Has anyone thought of the idea that he was possibly DRUNK? Seems like a pretty good reason to hide for a day...let the alcohol out of your system. Get daddy to move the car so he could get home and detox.
I do believe he should pay for what he did with harsh punishment. I was thinking more on the lines of Vehicular Manslaughter rather then homicide. But i guess the reckless driving and leaving the scene adds to the severity of the situation thus elevating the charges to homicide. Maybe if said dumbass would have stopped right then and there the outcome might have been different (assuming he was sober).
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In a sense he did. He drove like this knowingly and willingly. He knew the dangers of his driving habit.
I'm sure the result of his stupidity wasn't what he intended.
But the end result of his idiocy should be death, IMO.
Call me what you want. I'm pretty sure that the popular consensus of IA will disagree with you.
So even in your theory, he pulled a hit and run that left 4 people dead. Unless there was another underlying meaning to this and I'm just not seeing the big picture.
YOU aren't going to sway my thoughts on this. IF he manages to get out of this close to unscathed, he'll be lucky. If it is proven that he wasn't the cause, then so be it. Until then, he should be dead and not the others. You say he shouldn't be dead because of his "excessive speed." I say those four people shouldn't be dead because they weren't wearing a seat belt. The fine for that is about $25. Each violation. Later, QD.
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i dont beleive that he should charged with killing anyone that wasn't wearing their seatbelt! we don't even know for sure that he caused the wreck because no one actually witnessed it. they saw a loud import driving "fast" on 85 and automatically put him to blame. i feel real bad for the family but you should always wear your seatbelts!
I disagree on the statement of "fine" for not wearing your seat belt. The maximum "fine" for that is your life.
If it is as mentioned previously, the SUV wasn't a limo, but simply a shuttle, then it makes even less sense to me why these people weren't wearing seatbelts.
No matter how stupid he was, he should not be charged as if he intended to kill these people unless some evidence surfaces to indicate that he had a clear motive to kill.
And LMFAO @ popular consensus of IA.
Why wasnt the baby in a car seat?
This is where you should insert the following:
"Originally Posted by chunky
As for your citation of an "oxymoron", I'm sure you are smart enough to know what I was saying. Dissecting semantics when the meaning is clear is a fool's game."
I'm not really sure why this is a kept up conversation piece. The facts are, they weren't.
That's why I said he won't get charged with what he should be charged with. He should at least be charged with vehicular manslaughter. For some reason, you're not understanding that he knew what he was doing. he knew he was driving like an idiot. He knew what could happen if he fucced up. He was intentionally driving like that anyway. Knowing the potential consequences. You must know this fucc or advocate driving like this to keep on defending this shiit for brains.
All you want. We both know I'm no fool. We both know you're a nobody on here and it's "100% probable" that you're a nobody pretty much anywhere else. Later, QD.
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The only thing they have on him is hit and run.
I agree, he was driving recklessly and it sucks but it happens. Changing lanes without a blinker is a reckless behavior but 45% or more of the people in Atlanta do it.
The fact that the driver of the SUV couldn't control the vehicle is the drivers fault. not the kid in the Acura (or whatever he was driving).
He may have been drunk, but there is no way to prove it, and the witness can say all day that he was to blame but, like the forums, without pics, it's bull****.
And most shuttles dont require you to wear seatbelts (although they should) so maybe the finger should be pointed towards the shuttle company or the dumbass people in the shuttle for not buckling up. If I die because I wasnt wearing my seatbelt, its not someone else fault. Its mine.
And the Expedition ran into the back of the Acura if I'm not mistaken. That would have been a ticket for the expedition driver if they adnt have died. Driving too fast for conditions or following too closely
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"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
Lolol. Where is the logic in that? Later, QD.
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Never mind. This is getting more humorous by the post. Logic is not the word for some of these responses. Later, QD.
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Sorry. What I meant was, If you were driving the SUV and you lost control, that's not my fault as the driver of the RSX. Although I may have weaved in front of you, the fact that you over reacted and lost control of your own vehicle is not something I should be punished for. Any sort of Driving class teaches you how to react in any situation (and to wear your seatbelts). The SUV driver lost control of his car because he didnt think logically in time to react, so he ended up over reacting emotionally and it got him killed.
i.e. If I am driving down a 2 ln rd (one going each direction) and I see a car coming towards me in my lane. The emotional thing would be to go into his lane as to not hit anything. but a class is going to tell you to go to the right. Even if you hit a pole or mailbox, a xx mile per hour accident is better than twice that (which is what would happen if you were to hit the other car head on).
You would not go into his ln because he may realize whats going on and swerve back and hit you at the last moment....
I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
While I understand your post, there is one main, VERY IMPORTANT factor that's being overlooked for this particular discussion. We don't know how far/close the Acura was in relation to the SUV. That would make a big difference in the reaction of the SUV driver.
But the driver should be charged manslaughter because if he hadn't cut off the SUV period (no matter his reaction), it's "100% probable" that the SUV wouldn't have just lost control on it's own.
I'm bowing out of this until more facts come to light. Later, QD.
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LOL. I wasn't dissecting semantics in the same way you were - as an attack on credibility. I was highlighting a valid point related to the discussion - there is more at stake than just $25 when seat belts are not worn. Also, there is no official statement on whether seat belts were worn or not. Not that I've seen anyhow. I just presented it as a likelihood.
In a similar fashion, there is more at stake than just the $200 speeding ticket when people speed. Speeding is risky behavior and so is driving/riding without a seat belt. Just because someone engaged in risky behavior does not mean that they were looking to kill someone. By your logic, anyone riding without a seat belt is doing so with the intent of dying. There is a well known risk associated with driving w/o a seat belt on and they put their lives at risk in cold blood. Right.
It's ridiculous to say that just b/c there is a risk of death associated with a particular activity that any individual partaking in that activity does so to bring about death.
Again, I'm not saying let the kid off scott free, but it's ridiculous to argue at this point that he purposely took the lives of the SUV occupants.
Now I see where you're getting me all mixed up. Every time you've posted a rebuttal, you've alluded to me saying something I never said. Where did I EVER say that he killed these people with intent. I never did. Don't try to read more into my opinions than what's in there. He knew what he was doing could be dangerous. He knew what could happen. And knowing this, he did it anyway. With the outcome we all see. That's why I say he should at least get manslaughter. And not involuntary because he was intending on driving recklessly. That doesn't mean he volunteered to kill those people. But he did volunteer to drive the way he did thus resulting in their demise.
Now that I think I cleared up a misconception you had of my words, I will stand by my previous post and stay out. Later, QD.
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I wasn't mixed up regarding your words at all. In fact, I stated previously that "You are trying to implicate that he intentionally killed these people," not that you did actually state that he willfully killed the occupants of the SUV. You make the link that he intentionally drove in a reckless fashion, which I do not disagree with. Then you state that the intention behind his manner of driving should escalate the charges, that point I do disagree with. In short, to escalate the charges, you would have to accuse him of having the intent to kill.
The present charges of vehicular homicide are appropriate because they encompass the reckless operation of a motor vehicle resulting in homicide but without any notions of the intent to kill. Vehicular homicide is a felony in the state of GA with a prison term of 3-15yrs. Involuntary manslaughter is actually a somewhat lesser charge - Since he was committing a misdemeanor (reckless) when the homicide occurred, it would be a felony involuntary manslaughter. That carries a prison term of 1-10yrs. He is up for the most prison time that the circumstances allow without upgrading to a charge that carries intent to kill.
I'm not a lawyer, but that is how I see things. If there are any lawyers reading this, I would gladly yield to your more qualified opinions.
My main point is that he should not be charged with any sort of intention to kill. Since we both agree on that, he's already up for the stiffest penalty available under the law for murder without intent. Vehicular homicide > involuntary manslaughter.
But I never implicated anything. I said he knew the possible outcomes and ignored them. If he had not ignored them, the family may still be here. He just figured this wouldn't happen, I'm sure.
Agreed. Either way, it will be interesting to see how this plays out even more. You see where this dude now states that he had a passenger? Lolol. His side is just getting more bizarre and confusing each day. Later, QD.
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Damn, I'm supposed to be staying out of this thread, but since we've moved from this roadblock, lolol......... Later, QD.
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The implication is clearly there. You said, "And not involuntary [manslaughter] because he was intending on driving recklessly." You're applying his intent to drive recklessly to his intent to kill. I don't agree with that at all. That's what I addressed when I made the distinction between partaking in a risky activity and partaking in a risky activity with the intent to cause harm.
Anyhow, I'm mostly interested to read about seat belt/child safety seat usage. This guy is going to have all kinds of wild stories before he (hopefully) just breaks down and accepts tells the truth. Hopefully it'll be something like this.
"Yes, I was driving too fast. I realized I needed to slow down and hit the brakes, but I saw that I could not stop in time. I attempted to utilize the emergency lane to avoid a collision, but the SUV swerved first into me, and then the opposite direction. I deeply regret being the trigger for the deaths of the occupants of the SUV. It was not my intention to kill anyone, but now that it has happened, I can only apologize and plea for mercy."
I'd have a lot more faith in the human spirit if this kid would just man up instead of trying to dodge the consequences.
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