oh yea, the extra $1000 a year some idiot isn't spending to hire a legal citizen really pays off with all the $1,000's of is tax dollars go to housing the illegals.. But you're right, a few 1,000 is definitely equal to $338.3 BILLION dollars.Originally Posted by Lucky.
jackass.
so... does that mean you're not one? It never ceases to amaze me how some people can b!tch moan and complain about this country, while at the same time enjoy the freedom of living in it. feel free to row your boat back to whereever the fuck you came from.
gah that makes me sick.
lol damn, i didnt know we had so many racist people on IA, WHITE POWER!!!! roflmao
again your an idiotWhat does the fact that someone doesn't like the fact that we are paying out more than we should in medical care because there are so many illegals in this country have to do with someone being a racist.
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Im simply stating facts, backed up with evidence, thus making them facts. How is that racist? you're an idiot.
Then why are you getting upset? Did I say "ZeDFuNK" is racist? NO, so dont worry about it playa
i have a hard time believing those figures, and those only show one side.
they dont show the positives that illegals bring.
They dont compare their data with other minorities like blacks, asians, etc.
Im all for getting rid of illegal immigrants, but i think these numbers are skewed
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The negatives heavily outweigh the "positive influence" (even though positive illegal alien influence is like an oxymoron) of illegals in this country. They need to just fix the problem. The Figures are fact..
It's sad when people get butt hurt and ignore fact.
You can argue opinion. You can even argue hypothesis. You cannot argue fact.
i have to disagree with you some what on this one... i mean i don't know how much but it is prolly way up there with those numbers
You know better; next time will be a ban.
I hate to tell you, but those numbers came primarily from CNN if you look at the links. CNN is known for being rather liberal. I have a feeling that the numbers are conservative, if anything. If FoxNews published the same numbers, they would probably be more.
Just look at Grady Memorial. It is about to shut down because of so many people that aren't paying for their services. GA has one of the, if not the, highest growth rate for Illegals in the COUNTRY...the entire US in terms of percentages. The new law that bans companies for hiring illegals is helping to reduce that.
You can't argue with the facts. Illegal immigrating is costing the US billions a year. It's a problem.
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What is your source for this? I'd love to see it.
FYI; illegal immigrants aren't the only ones that use Grady and don't pay for their services. Look at the average household debt of Americans, LOL!
I dislike leeches just as much as the next guy but let's keep the stupid, biased opinions to a minimum. Just because it says so on a website on the internet doesn't make it true.
http://kerryfoxlive.com/wordpress/?p=2697
Georgia has the fastest-growing illegal immigrant population in the nation, more than doubling in the last five years, according to a federal report released Friday.
From 2000-2005, Georgia’s population of illegal immigrants jumped to an estimated 470,000, an increase of 114 percent, a U.S. Department of Homeland Security report said.
The increase far eclipsed the state with the next-fastest growth — Arizona — which had an increase of 45 percent.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/illegal.immigration/
Although California is home to the most undocumented immigrants, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina have the greatest rate of increase, the figures showed.
http://www.thedustininmansociety.org...2005jun10.html
Illegal immigration is a national problem and Georgia has one of the largest and fastest-growing populations of illegal aliens in the entire nation.
http://www.hispanictips.com/2005/11/...ing-in-nation/
“A report released Monday by the National Council of La Raza shows Georgia as home to the third fastest-growing Latino population in the country in 2004.
I can go on and on and on....
Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in Georgia.
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Aside from complaining on the internet, what are you doing about it?
This is fun.
I don't want it to seem like I'm calling you out. This is to everyone complaining in this thread. You guys must be pretty proactive in helping with this devastating problem our country has, right?
why was my name first?
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CUZ I DONT LIKE UR KAIND!why was my name first?
in all honesty it would be way cheaper for us to just go and take over mexico
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you first, that's like taking over a porty potty.
wouldn't it be hard to build on top of shit?
It'd be like building on the set of Hellboy.
and who says we have to build anything?
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LOL, that country has way too many issues.
Why you think everyone leaves there to come here.
have you ever been to mexico? what parts are seriously jacked up with issues? please don't say things that you have nothing but pictures to back you up. the country itself doesn't have issues... it's the economy that has issues. money is hard to make over there, thats why alot of them come over here.
because it's easier to make money, its a better place to grow up in and a better place to make a future for you and your children. alot of mexican's don't really care about the country and only come here to make money, send it back to mexico and return once they have enough saved in their banks... those are the ones i dislike, i agree with americans when they talk bad about them(not on all the things, only on some) because the ones that come here and bring their bad habits over give the ones that actually want to make it here, a bad name...
I traveled through Mexico City and Puebla and a few other cities.
I wouldn't drink the water without boiling it, LOL!
I spent an entire summer visiting the town my mother grew up in. We stayed at one her friend's houses that still lived in the town. No running water, no bathroom/shower, no air conditioning (hah) or gas. 2 light bulbs in the 'house' with an average electricity bill of about $3 a month. Most of the electricity being used by a sewing machine the lady used to make money for food, electricity and other necessities. I had to even go and help pick corn in the fields (which were a 2 mile hike to get to), take it to be ground up and use it to barter for beans and other vegetables from other families. The 'house' was made of a mixture of cement, mud, wood and stones.
It was a very humbling experience. I definitely don't take things like running water for granted anymore. This was the point of our trip there, heh.
LOL! I can't argue about the water issue...
but yeah, ive never been to mexico but i have seen pictures. from where my mom/dad grew up and some recent picture of how some of my mom's family lives over there.. my family all came from acapulco, which isn't as bad as other places, but still not all that great..
and yeah, after seeing the environment they grew in, i can see why they wouldn't want their kids growing up there. it really is sad when people automatically think that mexican's come here because they just felt like doing it... wrong, a better life and future for their children. is why...
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i was talking about internet pictures, i saw REAL pictures not some that people think "this is mexico because i saw it in the internet."This was an intersting comment
So the economy has issues where people can't make money, but yet the country itself doesn't have any issues?
Wouldn't the economy be an issue of the country?
the economy effects many things in mexico, jobs is one of them. money is very hard to earn over there, you bust your ass for nothing.. many people in the past have protested but little was done to fix the issue.
EDIT: the last two words didn't need to be there...
And it is... in the post i quoted, it sounded to me. like you were saying that mexico is a jacked up country, like when it came to it's surrounding's... mexico is a beautiful country, sure it looks pretty missed up, because unlike the united states, mexico doesn't really put to much effort on trying to make the country a better place to live.
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^ but after we took over mexico think about it.. all the money that they send over there would stay in america and we could get cheaper labor and we wouldn't spend so much on boarder patrol and if they wanna come to america guess what they don't even have to leave their houses cause they are already there.
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and we'd have a million more citizens and have to provide a million more LEGITAMATE jobs and have a whole new revolution about rights. Your idea sucks.
How so? think about it logically we spend more money that it is worth in the first place. i like most mexicans so don't go saying i am racist when i say this. but i think if anyone of them tries to cross the border illegally they should be shot. that is what they do in most countries anyways.
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guess what, 99.999999% of illegals would gladly pay taxes if u just let them...
According to the Center for Imigration Studies. In 2000 there were 7,000,000 illegal aliens living in the U.S. and that number grows by half a million a year putting us at 11,000,000 this year. But really that number is higher because in their studies they remove from the total number of illegals who either die during the year or who are sent back to the home country. Bringing that number to almost a million a year.http://www.cis.org/topics/illegalimmigration.html
And the census Beureau actually says that we were at 12 million last year. So For argumentative purposes lets call it 10 million. These 10 million illegals send approximately (according to a biased sitewww.noinvaders.org)$56 billion dollars (I buy it because every number I have ever seen is around $50 million)
Illegals now make up aproximately approximately make up 5% of the work force as well.
Some other things to think about:
Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status -- what most illegal aliens would become -- can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain -- many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants' education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.
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I bet the native americans wish they built a wall, the first white "americans" were the dangerous immigrants. If we did fix the problem with illegal immigration, the republicans will just make something else up to scare their children.
You hug a lot of trees, don't you?
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