that obama guy or whatever his name is is elected as president. he's in with the top running canidates. i personally dont' think it would be a good idea.
discuss?
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that obama guy or whatever his name is is elected as president. he's in with the top running canidates. i personally dont' think it would be a good idea.
discuss?
oBAMA , what is there to discuss now ?
incestory and beating your spouse would be legal . maybe thats a plus to some people .
i'm talking way beyond all that. as far as all this **** with the "war on terror" and all that. didn't this guy talk to someone from across seas and their funding his campaign of something?
What's to discuss? Do you have any informed opinion to present as to why you don't think it'd be good?
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this is ia, am i supposed to . im juts posting tp be talking man . im not being serious . but on a real note he will not win and if he did terrorist have pull on him so our country would be over.Originally Posted by Magnus213
so ya'll don't think that a middle eastern guy could possibly run this nation further into the ground?
thats what i mean, he's in the top 3 for the runnings right now and it seems that some people are taking his side...like that rich ***** oprah.
Not being racial or sexist, but I do not think our country is socially ready for a non white or non male president. I think people would flip out and some **** would go down. I am a republican, I will not be voting for Obama.
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they can barely run 7-11's much less a country . no ofense to any middle eastern people but when i go into a store owned by them , they dont id me for anything and most of them sell fake id's i have even seen them sell drugs , no one person is alike but from what i have seen of thier culture . they're just here for the tax free money .
i thought the same thing, but with people actually considering this guy is crazy. like they really think he could help this country, we took over his country and their starting to do the same except with more brains involved.
look at it like this you have a black guy , a woman , and a iraqi runnin . which one you want ? the middle easterns we are at war with , the blacks still think we owe them something . even though its not of our time , they still want to be recompensated. then you got a woman ,BUT her husband is a former president and we had no problems out of him . i say hilary all the way .
hillary is dangerous. and she is all gung ho about a health care plan that will bring this country to its knees. Socialized medicine does not work in ANY other country around the world, what makes her dumbass think itll work here????
and even if Hillary was a fantastic candidate, which she is not, other countries around the world dont even let women speak, women are viewed as being less than dirt and they are treated that way. Could you imagine a female president of the USA trying to negotiate with them......LOL
I havent looked into Obama very much so i dont know what to say about him.
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tht makes sense , didnt think about that one..+1.
Having a Woman represent our country would be a joke. Other countries would laugh in our face. America has the face of someone not to screw with. Put Hillary at that face and we laughed at and people start the **** talking.
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a lil late for that. America is already one of the biggest laughing stocks out there already..most here are just too arrogant to admit it.. Your views of this nation change when you've been outside it. Face not screw with? Hell, a good percentage of the population don't even take our current leader seriously.
Indeed. Our nation are being bought out by out countries whether it be land or business. Plus US is being trampled on like a door mat. Pretty sad. Nowadays most business are outsourcing there business outside due to cost and tax so they need to outsource. Greedy ass CEO's and high government tax is what's eating our dollar. Soon or later I just know some other country is gonna be the superpower. Im just waiting on that.
Oh and OBAMA just sucks ass. I hate that mf. Seriously no respect to the US. Dude if your a patriot, and love your country I would excpect him to make role model of himself but he failed.
Everyone saw how he was excercising his right not to pledge to the US flag? WTF is that seriously? How can you go "oh it's my right not to the Pledge of Allegiance?" WTF are you blatantly stupid or some ****? YOU'RE RUNNING AS A FREAKING PRESIDENT!!!!???? POS.
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Me personally wouldn't mind seeing Obama or Hillary as president. Why, because it's time for a change. Plus, this is the perfect time for a radical change since many people feel Bush been f'n up for two terms. Bad part about that is there are some many closed minded people in society today. Rather than vote for best (or least flawed) person, they are going to vote based on raced or gender. Seriously, I wonder who would win if the identity of each candidate was hidden.
I am tired but I'll go ahead and type up a response before I head to bed, this thread is a good basis for my argument that not all people need the right to vote.
First off if you are not born a U.S citizen you cannot run for president, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. His father is Kenyan and his mother is white, and he's Christian not Muslim.
Look deeper and actually research rather than take what the media feeds you and you will realize that:
A. as a person Barack is not all that bad (although I do not agree with a lot of his policies)
B. Everything the media feeds you is not the gospel.
The "middle east" dealings you speak of have to do with a school he attended in Indonesia. Fox news tried to spin it as a school that had anti american sentiment but CNN actually traveled TO the school and proved that to be false.
On the Flag issue, he took the lapel pin off of his suit and stated he does not need to display the flag to be patriotic. Was it a good political move? Not entirely because a lot of uninformed people who eat up whatever the media feeds them will run with it as you guys have done here. BUT the move appeals to his voters who are momentarily disgraced by the mentality America has, and how our image has been tarnished across the globe.
My advice is at least educate yourself before forming an opinion or attempting to state facts without basis. I am not a democrat but if you look at the panel of democratic hopefuls it reflects the diversity of America (Black, Female, Hispanic) more than any other panel in the history of this country.. be proud that we have come so far that a woman and/or minority can be considered for the presidency.
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True Im not concerned about his race or religion just my mentality was more focued how on he was unpatriotic he was. At the time with the current situation US is in at least be a bit sensitive. But in a sense tony makes a good point
The whole not pledging to the flag thing really got me irritated with Obama. I do not care if he wants to practice his right not to do so, your running for president, you will do as the other presidents do and respect our flag and our country. The flag that represents our country is a very important thing to me. I have my grand fathers military flag mounted on the side of my house on a 10 ft pole. It comes in at night and I make sure it stays in good condition. I grew up around values like that, I am an eagle scout so I did stuff like that a lot.
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Was it disrespect or a choice? He chose not to wear a lapel pin, woopty doo.. is that pissing on the american flag because the rest of the candidates wear one? They would wear a clown suit while campaigning if it meant more votes.
please dont have kids, your thinking would jepordize their future badly.
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Obama is a joke. But, he will get alot of the black and minority vote simply because of his skin color. That's just how people are, like people want like people taking care of things. Doesn't matter that he won't pledge to the flag of the country he wants to run. He will get the vote unless he takes a stand on welfare. Taking a stand on welfare reforms and attempting to change the free money will sink his voting power faster than an iceberg. If he is stupid and does that, he will follow Colon Powell right down the road to presidential failure.
Hillary Clinton, while I don't like her much, would be a much better choice. You people say that the rest of the world will laugh at the US for a woman president, you are wrong. The rest of the world isn't a bunch of retarded backwater people who can't even tell you the capital of their own state or think it's funny to have a TV show pitting 5th graders against grown people in a battle of wits and watching the grown-ups go down in flames. Our country is full of idiots. Plain and simple. We are a population of instant gratification slackers.
Want proof? Read these boards daily. 80% of you can't even be bothered to type correctly, spell words correctly or use punctuation much less check facts, read, learn or have an informed opinion on what the hell they are talking about.
That is what our country has to deal with day in and day out and that is why we are failing compared to the rest of the world. Our dollar is in the toilet so much that other economies are starting the switch to Euro's, which will send our costs through the roof on such unimportant things as oil. The war on terror has landed us in hot water with damm near every country in the world save Namibia and even they might be miffed. But Xbox's and Jennifer Love Hewitt's flabby bathing suit pictures still continue to make front page headlines. What does it tell you when you log into yahoo.com to check your email and the stock problems and falling dollar are buried under "Santa has to take 34 milliseconds at each childs house on Christmas eve...but you can't say Christmas because it's offensive to some retarded religion.
I think our choice of president is one of huge list of problems and until our entire government is overhauled, it won't matter if IA member number 3442 is president. Our country is still in the crap heap.
You want to see someone that speaks a good game, from his heart and takes no crap? Watch Ron Paul. He'll never win, but he needs too.
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So true, none of them was wearing that pin before 9/11.
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no he wont. I am black, and I am not voting for him. He is a decent person, but to me he lacks some experience.
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Notice I said alot, you are not the whole of the black vote my friend.
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I know a lot of people and the majority of them aren't voting for Obama either.Notice I said alot, you are not the whole of the black vote my friend.
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There are (as of 2005) 23,390,506 Black Americans. How many of those do you know?
There are (as of 2005) alot more White Americans. 80.2% of the pupulation to be exact. I didn't have time to do the math on other ethnic groups.
Female population (as of 2005) 50.7%.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
*of course, these figures are not correct i'm sure, it IS the government we are talking about.*
That is one of the main reasons Obama won't be elected. Add in the fact that he's inexperienced, of middle eastern decent at quite possibly the WORST time for a middle eastern to be running for office and that he is un-american (or perceived to be by not pledging to the flag and you have failure for Obama.
Hillary is the danger. If women banded together, they could elect a woman president. But she is marred by her husbands past pokings and lies so she is on unstable ground. The problem is that those are the top dogs in a crappy election. They are the best their party could put together. Sad.
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Like I said his inexperience is key to him not being voted in. But blacks aren't just going to vote him in because of skin color. Also Hillary Clinton will get more backing by the black community because of Bill. Obama lacks moral to me and he looks like a terroist.There are (as of 2005) 23,390,506 Black Americans. How many of those do you know?
There are (as of 2005) alot more White Americans. 80.2% of the pupulation to be exact. I didn't have time to do the math on other ethnic groups.
Female population (as of 2005) 50.7%.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
*of course, these figures are not correct i'm sure, it IS the government we are talking about.*
That is one of the main reasons Obama won't be elected. Add in the fact that he's inexperienced, of middle eastern decent at quite possibly the WORST time for a middle eastern to be running for office and that he is un-american (or perceived to be by not pledging to the flag and you have failure for Obama.
Hillary is the danger. If women banded together, they could elect a woman president. But she is marred by her husbands past pokings and lies so she is on unstable ground. The problem is that those are the top dogs in a crappy election. They are the best their party could put together. Sad.
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I agree. Hillary will get alot of support from teh black community because of Bill.
I liked Bill Clinton, other than his indescrations (which didn't bother me in the least, it's when he lied about it that sealed his fate. People can handle an adulterer, they can't handle a liar). He did alot for the country and alot for minorites. As for the "looking like a terrorist" I feel that you hit the nail on the head.
For the average beer delivery, construction worker, Nascar loving American, Obama fails to even bring a smidgin of support simply because of his heritage. At a time when war is the sour taste in every americans mouth, to even think a person of middle eastern decent would have a chance at winning is laughable. That just goes to show you the sad presidential candidates that we currently have if they put him up to run.
I disagree though that there are blacks that won't vote him in just for his skin color. Alot will. Educated people won't. They will look at things much the way you are and will make an informed decision based on his experience and other things. But less educated people will simply "Want a Black president" because that will somehow fix things that they see as problems in society. A black president will not fix anything because in the end he is a black politician. Political affiliations know no race, no color, no sex. They just know politics. They are all after one thing, power.
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[QUOTE=Glides]I agree. Hillary will get alot of support from teh black community because of Bill.
I liked Bill Clinton, other than his indescrations (which didn't bother me in the least, it's when he lied about it that sealed his fate. People can handle an adulterer, they can't handle a liar). He did alot for the country and alot for minorites. As for the "looking like a terrorist" I feel that you hit the nail on the head.
For the average beer delivery, construction worker, Nascar loving American, Obama fails to even bring a smidgin of support simply because of his heritage. At a time when war is the sour taste in every americans mouth, to even think a person of middle eastern decent would have a chance at winning is laughable. That just goes to show you the sad presidential candidates that we currently have if they put him up to run.
I disagree though that there are blacks that won't vote him in just for his skin color. Alot will. Educated people won't. They will look at things much the way you are and will make an informed decision based on his experience and other things. But less educated people will simply "Want a Black president" because that will somehow fix things that they see as problems in society. A black president will not fix anything because in the end he is a black politician. Political affiliations know no race, no color, no sex. They just know politics. They are all after one thing, power.[QUOTE]I can agree here some. Just putting a black president, wont help black americans. Blacks need to help themselves, images are everything in this time now and our community is ****. Take for example those dumbass kids that shot Shaun Taylor, that just set the community back even more.
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i know 2 republicans that are voting for him. whats wrong with that? are they not true republicans if they vote for him?
i dont think obama has the same ethics as the people youve met lol....thats funny. he wouldnt have made it that far into office if he was like that. you people are funny
[QUOTE=WHAT_LAG][QUOTE=Glides]I agree. Hillary will get alot of support from teh black community because of Bill.
I liked Bill Clinton, other than his indescrations (which didn't bother me in the least, it's when he lied about it that sealed his fate. People can handle an adulterer, they can't handle a liar). He did alot for the country and alot for minorites. As for the "looking like a terrorist" I feel that you hit the nail on the head.
For the average beer delivery, construction worker, Nascar loving American, Obama fails to even bring a smidgin of support simply because of his heritage. At a time when war is the sour taste in every americans mouth, to even think a person of middle eastern decent would have a chance at winning is laughable. That just goes to show you the sad presidential candidates that we currently have if they put him up to run.
I disagree though that there are blacks that won't vote him in just for his skin color. Alot will. Educated people won't. They will look at things much the way you are and will make an informed decision based on his experience and other things. But less educated people will simply "Want a Black president" because that will somehow fix things that they see as problems in society. A black president will not fix anything because in the end he is a black politician. Political affiliations know no race, no color, no sex. They just know politics. They are all after one thing, power.i hear that........but the shaun taylor topic has no color to that matter. i wouldnt think so. there are plenty of people in all races who rob houses they just dont get reported like this one.I can agree here some. Just putting a black president, wont help black americans. Blacks need to help themselves, images are everything in this time now and our community is ****. Take for example those dumbass kids that shot Shaun Taylor, that just set the community back even more.
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