Is stealing wrong?

[Deke]

Perhaps but, on the other hand, your actions could injured or even kill other people. Downloading music would not.

Haha, I was going to play devil's advocate, but you beat me.

[wantboost]

Perhaps but, on the other hand, your actions could injured or even kill other people. Downloading music would not.

Just another way to look at it.

beat me to it.

[iloveboost]

Perhaps but, on the other hand, your actions could injured or even kill other people. Downloading music would not.

Just another way to look at it.

The only people I race assume the same liability they would at a race track. There are 0 cars in sight whenever I race at 2am in the morning on an empty highway.

Apples and oranges.

[dartingd]

Ya. I mean you can't be hypocritical about it. Speeding is breaking the law, as is stealing music, which I'm still not convinced it's stealing. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

[Psycho]

satellite radio > CDs

[dartingd]

The only people I race assume the same liability they would at a race track. There are 0 cars in sight whenever I race at 2am in the morning on an empty highway.

Apples and oranges.

Yes, but someone could come out of nowhere and then what. People aren't around when these guys download music. Does that make it okay?

[Psycho]

Now not to be funny ILOVBOOST, but it's ironic you making this post to complain about people stealing music & what not, while you break the law I'd guess on a pretty regular basics street racing.

What a faggy arguement, you're a homo.

[dartingd]

What a faggy arguement, you're a homo.

How is that a "faggy" comment?

[4dmin]

i haven't seen much discussion about pirated software? how many people are using legit copys of windows, mac os, office, photoshop, macromedia, etc?

[iloveboost]

Ya. I mean you can't be hypocritical about it. Speeding is breaking the law, as is stealing music, which I'm still not convinced it's stealing. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Is speeding immoral? Stealing effects millions. My speeding involves 2 people who assume liability. No innocent bystanders or civilians.

We can go around and around about what's legal, what's right, what's wrong and dance around the subject all you'd like. Doesn't change the fact that it costs honest people a lot of money.

i haven't seen much discussion about pirated software? how many people are using legit copys of windows, mac os, office, photoshop, macromedia, etc?

I don't have macromedia or photoshop. If I did, I'd buy each program. But according to some, it doesn't matter because everyone else does it.

[Ran]

i haven't seen much discussion about pirated software? how many people are using legit copys of windows, mac os, office, photoshop, macromedia, etc?

[turbosx©]

If they were that honest things wouldn't cost so much would they?

[dartingd]

Is speeding immoral? Stealing effects millions. My speeding involves 2 people who assume liability. No innocent bystanders or civilians.

We can go around and around about what's legal, what's right, what's wrong and dance around the subject all you'd like. Doesn't change the fact that it costs honest people a lot of money.


I don't have macromedia or photoshop. If I did, I'd buy each program.

Well, if you're going to talk about breaking the law being immoral, then yes, speeding is. Not going to bring people's consiousness into the discussion, though. Like I said, someone could come from a side road or from somewhere you didn't see or expect. BTW, kudo's for not being jerky and having a discussion, not an argument, lol.

Paul, I made a post about downloading pirated software if you saw it. Thoughts on that?

[Psycho]

How is that a "faggy" comment?

It has absolutly nothing to do with what's being said here, and it just sounds like something a whiney little twat would say.

[iloveboost]

Yes, but someone could come out of nowhere and then what. People aren't around when these guys download music. Does that make it okay?

You're speaking out of ignorance and your arguement is beyond retarded. What does having someone around while stealing music have anything to do with anything we're talking about?

When I go race it's on a weeknight or weekend about an hour and a half outside of Atlanta between 1:00am to 4:00am when there are no other cars around. What does that have anything to do with anything? It's irrelevant.

[Deke]

Edit: Haha, scratch that.

[OneSlow5pt0]

buts its a free country,so when u do these things u know u can get in trouble,...idk,i just like having cds in my hands

[dartingd]

You're speaking out of ignorance and your arguement is beyond retarded. What does having someone around while stealing music have anything to do with anything we're talking about?

When I go race it's on a weeknight or weekend about an hour and a half outside of Atlanta between 1:00am to 4:00am when there are no other cars around. What does that have anything to do with anything? It's irrelevant.

IT'S ILLEGAL!!! It doesn't matter when or where you do it! If you're not on a track, it's illegal! You have broken the law, which is what the discussion started as. The point I'm making is that you justify breaking the law because you deem it as "safe". So if I deem downloading music as something that's fine, it should be okay as well.

[iloveboost]

It has absolutly nothing to do with what's being said here, and it just sounds like something a whiney little twat would say.

LOL! +1

[iloveboost]

IT'S ILLEGAL!!! It doesn't matter when or where you do it! If you're not on a track, it's illegal! You have broken the law, which is what the discussion started as. The point I'm making is that you justify breaking the law because you deem it as "safe". So if I deem downloading music as something that's fine, it should be okay as well.

Point out where I was questioning the legality of it. I wasn't. I was stating how it costs millions of people lots of money.

Thank you for the post, Captain Obvious.

[kpc2593]

i dl stuff and after im done watching/listening to it i do buy it if I like it...

[Hundo®]

movies ill go see. CD's unless produced/distrubuted BY the artists, i won't buy. the artists makes about 3cents a record sale.. if you want to support an artist, go to their show.

[Psycho]

IT'S ILLEGAL!!! It doesn't matter when or where you do it! If you're not on a track, it's illegal! You have broken the law, which is what the discussion started as. The point I'm making is that you justify breaking the law because you deem it as "safe". So if I deem downloading music as something that's fine, it should be okay as well.

Dude, if you are honestly trying to compare stealing to racing, then you're a tard. You're trying to generalize every crime in the same category, and it just makes you look stupid.

[Hundo®]

Dude, if you are honestly trying to compare stealing to racing, then you're a tard. You're trying to generalize every crime in the same category, and it just makes you look stupid.

maybe he's got diabeetus..

[Ran]

Dude, if you are honestly trying to compare stealing to racing, then you're a tard. You're trying to generalize every crime in the same category, and it just makes you look stupid.

The comparison may not be the best, but he does make a point. It's just that people have the impression of "well I'm not really hurting anyone so it's okay" burned in their heads. It still doesn't make either action okay.

[iloveboost]

The comparison may not be the best, but he does make a point. It's just that people have the impression of "well I'm not really hurting anyone so it's okay" burned in their heads. It still doesn't make either action okay.

Neither is legal. When me and a buddy go out late one night and line our cars up, we both know what we're getting into. It's no different than some members on here that speed through traffic like idiots.

[Ran]

Neither is legal. When me and a buddy go out late one night and line our cars up, we both know what we're getting into. It's no different than some members on here that speed through traffic like idiots.

That was my point. It's not legal and, even if you take all the precautions you can, it doesn't really make it safe. There are just too many unknown variables when not in a controlled environment.

I know that I'm not going to convince you to stop street racing, and I'm not going to try. I was merely posting some of my thoughts on the subject. People will still DL music knowing it's illegal just like you'll keep racing.

Anyways, I'm outta this thread. Later.

[iloveboost]

That was point. It's not legal and, even if you take all the precautions you can, it doesn't really make it safe. There are just too many unknown variables when not in a controlled environment.

LOL! The variables are the exact same at the track except from a dead stop with lights that tell you when to go. The only difference is you're lining up with someone you don't know or how well they can control their car.

[ISAtlanta300]

People will still DL music knowing it's illegal just like you'll keep racing.

QFT !!

And I'm not saying that it does make it right, but it is what it is...

[ISAtlanta300]

Is it stealing if I record a song from Q100 (with Dj talking through it and all) and listen to it in my car over and over ???

Aren't we all 'stealing' in a way, by listening to music on the radio which we don't pay crap for (= free)? Why would I buy Sean Kingston's CD if I listen to his freaking tune 10x a day anyway? Isn't that technically taking money from the artist too?

[VegetaRules]

Well, iloveboost, either way,or however you phrase it, both are illegal. It's no other argument. You can't ***** about one wrong, & defend another, no matter how "pointless", you may try to make it.

As for Physco, you can call me whatever you want. You're entilted to your opinion as am I. You can call or say/type anything you choose, because hey I know I'm not some "faggy" little twerp.

In my life, I've found that people with the biggest mouths, have the least to say. But hey, if it makes you sleep at night, please continue to attempt to actually insult me with your juvenile insults.

Iloveboost, we'll just agree to disagree,as stated earlier, & not going to "IA-battle you", over this topic. Wrong is wrong, right is right, you cannot defend any wrong, plain and simple......Vegeta

[Warden]

movies ill go see. CD's unless produced/distrubuted BY the artists, i won't buy. the artists makes about 3cents a record sale.. if you want to support an artist, go to their show.

yea i agree

[Jecht]

I understand. But say your income was based on sales, would you feel the same way?

It's not only the artist that gets money taken from them. There are people that package the CDs, that print the material, that design the material, ship the material, that advertise and market the material and so on.

If an artist is completely fine with sharing their music for free, more power to them. It's not always only the artist that's been stolen from.

Those people that print, package, design, and advertise the material are all going to need to find new jobs because downloading multimedia is where everything is headed. It doesn't matter for their jobs sake if people pay for their music or not.

Legally, downloading music or videos is wrong. But there are many who download and listen to hundreds of albums, and that isn't exactly affordable to purchase. As Julio said, most bands make their money from touring or performing. All the money made from CD sales goes to the producers and executives, who sit around and mostly do nothing.

[RandomGuy]

I think stealing is right, especially cars and other things that don't belong to me.

I mean god made dirt, dirt don't hurt. God made bert(from sesame street), bert dont hurt... which is why people should steal other ppl's cars and sell them. clearly that makes sense... okthxbai

[Tinton]

I download music and movies, and other stuff. The way I see it, its not technically "stealing". I'm not taking any profit away from them. If I didn't download the content, then I still wouldn't buy it. So either way, they don't get my money. Besides that, I'm not adding to their costs. It costs them NOTHING for someone to go off and make a copy of a song digitally. Hell you could make 1,000,000 copies of a song and it wouldn't cost anything to the artist/distributor. Its completely different from actually stealing a physical CD, because the physical CD has more costs in making the CD, labels, case, etc.

Your argument for "oh would you like your car to get stolen then" doesn't make any sense here. If I could make infinite copies of my car, like I can with a song or a movie, why should I be worried when someone steals 1? I can always make more, and at least some people will buy it. But, if I only had 1 copy of my car, I'd be pretty pissed if someone stole it.

I'm not saying that its right to download music and movies and stuff, I'm just saying that its on a completely different level morally and legally from stealing something like a high-end rare Ferrari or the Mona Lisa or something.

Also when I download, I know to take certain precautions to protect myself. Just like you take precautions when you streetrace.

[umairejaz]

Aren't we all 'stealing' in a way, by listening to music on the radio which we don't pay crap for (= free)? Why would I buy Sean Kingston's CD if I listen to his freaking tune 10x a day anyway? Isn't that technically taking money from the artist too?

um....wow.....

So CEOs, Presidents of companies, business owners, and other successful people shouldn't be paid handsomely for their hard work and success? Give me a break. I figured you to be a little brighter than that.

Uhmm, I don't think i ever said that. If your an artist when did anything other then just making music for the sake of expressing yourself matter more then the difference between 11 million a year vs making 10.5 million. I'm not justifying downloading music, I'm just questioning the "artist's" complaints.

[DrivenMind]

So, are you living in such extreme poverty that you can't afford to pay $8.00 for a movie? Or $15 for a CD?

On a college budget, ummmm yea I am. I don't just steal music, I pirate software too. Call me a bastard for valuing my education more than only partially relevant morality or stealing a copy of a program, and semi-****ing Adobe's corporate profits.

[DrivenMind]

Wrong is wrong, right is right, you cannot defend any wrong, plain and simple......Vegeta

That really depends on your lawyer.

[Evil Goat]

so the basic of what is being said here is piracy has caused the prices of cd's and movies to go up for those oh so honest people?

am i the only person who remembers paying $15-$18, depending on the artist and age of the album, for a cd 10, even 15 years ago?

and how much is a basic cd today? i just purchased the jayz american gangster from the only store left around here that sells music for $18, and purchased the last P.O.D. album from the same store for $16.99 the day it released....the only 2 cd's ive payed for in the last 5 years, to me the argument is invalid and useles, if anything piracy should drive the prices down, not up, that is a direct indication of greedy record companies and to them i say **** you....i dont care if you want to call it stealing or not...music today is mostly about low talent dancers who just happen to carry a note, music sucks right now


there arent many, if any, artists out there who can make a collection of music worth buying....hence the digital age of itunes, etc....before cd's the entire album had to be good b/c you couldnt just skip song to song like you can on a cd, minus vinyl of course, nowadays you get 1 or 2 good songs and the rest are fillers....im not paying for fillers

[magneto198]

only if you have a conscience