Is stealing wrong?

[iloveboost]

I see people always talking about watching movies off the internet and downloading songs and CDs without paying for them.

If you enjoy a movie or an artist for their talents, why not have the decency to support them and pay for it?

This is the reason honest people that pay for entertainment have to pay much higher rates. The same reason people that do insurance fraud cause rates for honest people's insurance premiums to go up.

So, are you living in such extreme poverty that you can't afford to pay $8.00 for a movie? Or $15 for a CD?

I really would enjoy to hear the reasoning on why you steal movies, music and other services. I hope to never see any of you complain when your car gets stolen or any other personal belonging. It's the same exact thing only you're the victim.

[BKgen®]

itunes ftw. i pay for my sh*t.


BTW, since when do movies cost $8.00??

[iloveboost]

itunes ftw. i pay for my sh*t.


BTW, since when do movies cost $8.00??

I paid $9.50 a ticket the other night at AMC.

Every song or CD I have has been paid for. Even when friends offer to burn a CD for me that I want I refuse it.

This is also referring to people who walk out on the check at a restaurant. It's pathetic.

[BKgen®]

k. i thought you were referring to DVDs since you said CDs right after it.

[1000cckiller]

I paid $9.50 a ticket the other night at AMC.

Every song or CD I have has been paid for. Even when friends offer to burn a CD for me that I want I refuse it.

This is also referring to people who walk out on the check at a restaurant. It's pathetic.

dude times have changed, so you might as well get use to it.

[iloveboost]

dude times have changed, so you might as well get use to it.

So you're saying it's ok to steal?

[Ran]

BTW, since when do movies cost $8.00??

Used movies at Moviestop FTMFW

The only things I actually download anymore are my anime episodes for series that are still airing in Japan. Fansubbers do subtitles so that the English speaking populous can enjoy it before it's released stateside. However, one a series is licensed, I delete it from my computer and buy them outright. I prefer having legit items.

[1000cckiller]

So you're saying it's ok to steal?

one dont put words in my mouth. Secondly quit comlpaining about **** you nor I can change.

[redrumracer]

netflix ftw unlimited rentals!!

[iloveboost]

one dont put words in my mouth. Secondly quit comlpaining about **** you nor I can change.

I never said I, or anyone else, could change anything. Don't put words in my mouth.

This post was more or less trying to figure out why people do it or how they justify it. It's also to put stealing into perspective for some.

How can someone gripe about their car being stolen or when they get ripped off on something, when they themselves steal.

[4dmin]

Well most artist make more money touring then anything else... very little is made on the music it self. A record label gives you a contract we'll say for 1M, then you sell 1M cd's but you only make .50 per sale. The artist will see 500,000 out of 10M. So downloading music to me isn't that big of a deal; it isn't the artist that will starve over a few pennys. The record executive may not be able to buy another Ferrari if you download music (Boo Hoo!).

Thats my take on it... and I listen to underground metal/hardcore; I don't normally hear about indie labels complaining kids stole their music.

Movies have become ridiculously expensive... it is all supply and demand I would rather pay 14.99 for a new DVD then pay 20.00 for my wife/i to see it in the theatre.

[iloveboost]

Well most artist make more money touring then anything else... very little is made on the music it self. A record label gives you a contract we'll say for 1M, then you sell 1M cd's but you only make .50 per sale. The artist will see 500,000 out of 10M. So downloading music to me isn't that big of a deal; it isn't the artist that will starve over a few pennys. The record executive may not be able to buy another Ferrari if you download music (Boo Hoo!).

Thats my take on it... and I listen to underground metal/hardcore; I don't normally hear about indie labels complaining kids stole their music.

I understand. But say your income was based on sales, would you feel the same way?

It's not only the artist that gets money taken from them. There are people that package the CDs, that print the material, that design the material, ship the material, that advertise and market the material and so on.

If an artist is completely fine with sharing their music for free, more power to them. It's not always only the artist that's been stolen from.

[wantboost]

i collect cd's and if i am unsure about one i will download then buy. for movies i buy them used. and for anime same as ran except i dont delete them after they come state side 750 gb ftw.

[4dmin]

I understand. But say your income was based on sales, would you feel the same way?

It's not only the artist that gets money taken from them. There are people that package the CDs, that print the material, that design the material, ship the material, that advertise and market the material and so on.

If an artist is completely fine with sharing their music for free, more power to them. It's not always only the artist that's been stolen from.

Again you can spin this... all of these same people will lose jobs due to the internet... why would I pay 15$ for a cd when I could download it cheaper on amazon. There is no packaging, print work needed at that time. The only people making a fuss about this are record executives and the saddest thing about it is records sales have not seen losses since the internet/napster/bittorrent/etc. I'm sorry but this is something minimal to complain about.

How about system leeches... welfare, food stamps, school vouchers, healthcare, etc.? You want to see impact of theft just look around you; media sales vs. internet is minimal.

[Elbow]

I dont download movies.

Second for music the only stuff I download are songs I cant find on CD's. A lot of the time I get music, like it, buy the CD.

[Kyle]

I don't download movies. Music, yes. Here is why:

1. I don't feel bad about taking intellectual property.
2. For 99% of the music I have, if I didn't download I wouldnt buy it from them anyway.
3. Thus it isn't taking profits away, as I am not stealing cd's. All this stuff is already shared on the internet, so adding one more person who has it doesn't matter.
4. If I went and bought all the cd's I have tracks from on itunes(for me that would be 1,200 cd's), I would spend 1200 x $15 = $17,000. That's absurd.

note: I'm aware their are many holes in my reasoning, and reasons why it's still wrong to take it.

[iloveboost]

How about system leeches... welfare, food stamps, school vouchers, healthcare, etc.? You want to see impact of theft just look around you; media sales vs. internet is minimal.

I agree whole-heartedly. I just focused on music and entertainment because I think everyone here can relate to that.

[1000cckiller]

Again you can spin this... all of these same people will lose jobs due to the internet... why would I pay 15$ for a cd when I could download it cheaper on amazon. There is no packaging, print work needed at that time. The only people making a fuss about this are record executives and the saddest thing about it is records sales have not seen losses since the internet/napster/bittorrent/etc. I'm sorry but this is something minimal to complain about.

How about system leeches... welfare, food stamps, school vouchers, healthcare, etc.? You want to see impact of theft just look around you; media sales vs. internet is minimal.

exactly, not only that on most cds there are only one or two good songs. Why would I pay 15 to 20 dollars for one or two songs.

[Thighs]

i dl music out the ass. but if theres a band i like and want to support, ill buy their cd. most of the songs i download are random songs that may be hard to find on a cd.

[Deke]

I'm streaky with my downloading. I rarely ever download movies (actually I don't think I have since they shut down I2hub). As for music I don't download very often. When a CD comes out that I really want, I buy it regardless if it's available to me through download or even just a burned CD from a friend. I like the official stuff

I also go to a pretty good amount of concerts, so I donate to the musicians (a lot more than the record companies) by going to those.

Oh and I absolutely loathe the RIAA. Targeting college students as an example, and then giving them the ultimatum "Pay this amount of money or we're taking you to court" is just bull****. It's like a cop asking for a bribe.


On a side note: What's the deal with being able to get fairly new DVDs for $5-10 (Best Buy and Circuit City sales), but it seems like CDs never go down in price. Sometimes the older ones are actually more expensive. Is this just an example of a crooked recording industry? (I honestly don't know, just asking)

[iloveboost]

exactly, not only that on most cds there are only one or two good songs. Why would I pay 15 to 20 dollars for one or two songs.

It's rare that I buy entire CDs either. I typically find everything I need on Itunes.

[umairejaz]

I agree it might not be right but as technology advances so must the industry, its just something they have to overcome. Also, when did becoming an "artist" have anything to do with having outrageous amounts of money?

[1000cckiller]

It's rare that I buy entire CDs either. I typically find everything I need on Itunes.

I dont agree with stealing. But I also dont agree with paying higher, than I should. People have made this country the way it is now, nothing here is honest anymore.

[quickdodge®]

i dl music out the ass. but if theres a band i like and want to support, ill buy their cd. most of the songs i download are random songs that may be hard to find on a cd.

I was pretty much going to post the same thing. If I have a certain artist that i like, I'll buy his stuff outright. But most of the time, Ithere is only one or two songs off an album that I like and I'm not spending $15 for two songs. Later, QD.

[iloveboost]

I agree it might not be right but as technology advances so must the industry, its just something they have to overcome. Also, when did becoming an "artist" have anything to do with having outrageous amounts of money?

So CEOs, Presidents of companies, business owners, and other successful people shouldn't be paid handsomely for their hard work and success? Give me a break. I figured you to be a little brighter than that.

I was pretty much going to post the same thing. If I have a certain artist that i like, I'll buy his stuff outright. But most of the time, Ithere is only one or two songs off an album that I like and I'm not spending $15 for two songs. Later, QD.

Same here. I love Itunes.

[iloveboost]

I dont agree with stealing. But I also dont agree with paying higher, than I should. People have made this country the way it is now, nothing here is honest anymore.

100% true. It's the 5% dishonest people that ruin it for the other 95%.

The reason songs on Itunes are .99 cents - $1.50 is because music labels aren't making the money they should because the songs they're selling are getting ripped off. Being ripped off by people that think stealing "intellectual property" is ok.

[Vteckidd]

I was pretty much going to post the same thing. If I have a certain artist that i like, I'll buy his stuff outright. But most of the time, Ithere is only one or two songs off an album that I like and I'm not spending $15 for two songs. Later, QD.

[Jimmy B]

i d/l songs to save the earth..



plastice are thrown away when you buy cds and throw away the wrapper.. so, im saving the earth!









accually, i just read that on some website.. encouraging people to d/l instead of buy cd's

[1000cckiller]

100% true. It's the 5% dishonest people that ruin it for the other 95%.

The reason songs on Itunes are .99 cents - $1.50 is because music labels aren't making the money they should because the songs they're selling are getting ripped off. Being ripped off by people that think stealing "intellectual property" is ok.

I agree

[TIGERJC]

I actually have a paid membership that only cost me like $30 a year and I get to download 100 songs. I only use Morpheus when the song just came out and isnt available on the pay music site I have my membership on.

I buy all my DVDs also.

Its funny how ppl are trying to justify stealing movies and cds, the **** is no different than shoplifting

[VegetaRules]

Well, I'm in agreeance with QD and What Lag as well. Most CD's nowadays only have 2-4 real songs, & the rest are interludes,skits, & garbage. Now me I used to be a shipping supervisor of Turtles/Peppermint, in GA, so I also know what it costs to make a CD versus what we pay for it.

The music industry could have benifitted by just slightly lowering the price of CD's & their problem would be a little less of a problem.

Now not to be funny ILOVBOOST, but it's ironic you making this post to complain about people stealing music & what not, while you break the law I'd guess on a pretty regular basics street racing.

No offense, but GOD said no sin is greater than the other. Again, not trying to be funny, because my goal is to get into the killsforum next year, but you complaining, or bringing this up while repeatedly law breaking yourself is hmmm....ironic. lol....Vegeta

[pontiacsftw]

well i steal a lot of ****...

[1000cckiller]

well i steal a lot of ****...

noobs FTL

[Vteckidd]

I dont DL DVDs because it takes up too much space and too much time. Id rather just buy the DVD for $13.

Music wise, well, if its an artist i really like i buy the CD. Usually most sites dont have accurate track listings and the quality isnt top notch.

I DL the occasional song that i know i wont buy the album.

[VegetaRules]

Oh, also to clarify, I don't DL movies either, I actually buy all my DVD's. I also don't DL new music, mostly because I like the older music, when it was really music, & not a 5 minute song with 1 minute of coherent rapping. lol

Also I-tunes is kinda limited on older music, their search engine's weird, so I really only DL songs, I know I can't get on CD's. Which really I don't DL that much anyhow.....Vegeta

[dartingd]

This is definitely a touchy subject. I don't download music or movies, but did download frontpage recently. Granted I purchased it a week later. I had planned on buying it to begin with, but needed it then, and got it. So was that stealing, I dunno. I paid $100.00 out of my pocket for the program when I could have kept it and had no issue with getting caught or anything probably ever because I like to own things I feel shouldn't be shared. Music I don't know. Movies I don't think you should download. I'll have to think on the music thing and post again, lol.

[iloveboost]

Now not to be funny ILOVBOOST, but it's ironic you making this post to complain about people stealing music & what not, while you break the law I'd guess on a pretty regular basics street racing.

So speeding is a sin. I'll have to check for that one again.

My actions do not effect millions of people or steal from anyone's pocket. If anything, I'm helping the economy by using more gas, nitrous, tires and maintenance on my car. If I ever get caught, I'll continue to help by hiring a lawyer, paying fines to the government, and contributing to the protection of our citizens by paying an officer's salary. I'll gladly pay my dues when they're owed.

If I broke the law, and lied or cheated my way out of it and it adversely effected the community/economy, I can understand where you're coming from. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i always buy CDs....cause when i buy a cd,i like the artist and all thier songs......if want a single, buy a single...........i dont have any DLed music on my computer,and could careless.......i like supporting my fav bands

[OneSlow5pt0]

and idk what yall buy but i pay usally $9.99-11.99 for a new cd at bestbuy....so less than .99 a song

[Ran]

My actions do not effect millions of people or steal from anyone's pocket.

Perhaps but, on the other hand, your actions could injured or even kill other people. Downloading music would not.

Just another way to look at it.