Worse: Nick Hogan or Micheal Vick

[BanginJimmy]

Sure

Flipped the script.

If I'm not mistaken, Hogan was pulled over for countless times for speeding (and I'm not talking about 75mph in a 55). There's one case where he was pulled over for going over 150mph, let go because he's Hulk Hogan's son, then pulled over again for doing the same damn thing. This dude not only put his self in jeopardy, but everyone else on the highway also. This dude was given multiple chances, but didn't learn until he practically killed his friend (and I really doubt he learned his lesson, since he was more concerned about drifting than his injured friend before he went to jail). Yes, he didn't kill his friend, but did take a damn chunk out of his head...


Guy who fights/kills dogs for entertainment
vs.
Guy who consistently drives crazy and puts everyone on the road in harm ways and damn near killed his friend.

I'll take the dog killer any day.

You are completely missing the point. Even though I think a dog killer should be tried for murder, or at least something thats only the half of it. You forgot to mention the fact that he had a good time torturing the dogs too. No sane human would take pleasure in that. Notice I didnt say that he will definately kill for no reason, but he will definately kill a human if it benefitted him. Also, if he was just in it for the entertainment, he could have easily afforded to fly to mexico and done it legally.

[bigdare23]

You are completely missing the point.

No I am not

Even though I think a dog killer should be tried for murder, or at least something thats only the half of it.

Murder, really You sir have problems. That's just want we need, more people rotting in jails for killing animals. I don't know about you, but I prefer my tax money going else where beside putting these animal abuser behind bars...

You forgot to mention the fact that he had a good time torturing the dogs too. No sane human would take pleasure in that.

More than likely he did.

No sane person would rape or kill another human being, but it happens everyday and it never gets the amount of attention as VicK. The time and effort used to get Vick could of been put to good use, like taking a sex offender off of the streets...

Notice I didnt say that he will definately kill for no reason, but he will definately kill a human if it benefitted him.

You can't say that. I used to take a golf club and knock frogs over my fence as a child, but I didn't end up a killer and I wouldn't kill if it benefited me. You can't correlate the two. That's justice my opinion. Plus, fighting animals is part of other cultures. Are those people that can legally fight and torture animals destine to become killers?

Also, if he was just in it for the entertainment, he could have easily afforded to fly to mexico and done it legally.

True, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now if he just would of kept that shit off of his property.

[BanginJimmy]

Murder, really You sir have problems. That's just want we need, more people rotting in jails for killing animals. I don't know about you, but I prefer my tax money going else where beside putting these animal abuser behind bars...

So because there is something worse this one should be ignored? You mention sex offenders. A man raping a kid is not considered the same as murder so should be let child rapists out of jail to make more room for murderers?

How about a bank robber? He isnt hurting anyone, so should he be let go also? IMO hurting a dog has a more clearly defined victim than bank robbery.

No sane person would rape or kill another human being, but it happens everyday and it never gets the amount of attention as VicK. The time and effort used to get Vick could of been put to good use, like taking a sex offender off of the streets...

San people rape and kill all the time. Sane people do not enjoy torturing people or animals.
http://thebosun.wordpress.com/2006/0...-animal-abuse/

You can't say that. I used to take a golf club and knock frogs over my fence as a child, but I didn't end up a killer and I wouldn't kill if it benefited me. You can't correlate the two. That's justice my opinion. Plus, fighting animals is part of other cultures. Are those people that can legally fight and torture animals destine to become killers?

See above. There is a proven correlation. No, its not an exact science, but it is an strong indicator.

[Humphrizzle]

I vote Vick....

me too


Nick Hogan was a teenager, very stupid and immature and may have known better but I'm not sure.

Michael Vick knew DAMN WELL what he was doing was wrong and horrible to those animals yet, he did it anyways. He starved, tortured and killed many many dogs. He was an overrated quarterback for a football team. Grown ass man. He shouldn't get out of jail so soon.

[AnthonyF]

Nick Hogan. Fuck that piece of shit! Him and his whole dirt bag family. Trying to blame it on the kid, saying "god had it out for him" Fuck that shit!

-Ant.

[dc2teg2006]

I say nick hogan, he wasn't old enough to drink, or stay up late. got into a car while drunk with his idiot friend for knowing he drank and still got in it, and fuk his friend up and the supra.

[DarwinsA32]

I'd kill 2000 dogs before one person, I can't begin to understand you people that said vick, it's a crock of shit, dogs are his personal property. Nick Hogan's friends life and spine are not his to fuck up.

And bangin jimmy, charging dogfighters for murder? how the fuck do you justify that at the sametime you're chewing on a steak, riding around in leather seats, wearing leather shoes, keeping your money in a leather wallet, and sleeping in a down comforter. It doesn't make sense. In my eyes fighting your own dogs is just like throwing a vase at another vase and betting on which one will break into more pieces.

Another thing thet yerks me is... why are they charging the owners with cruelty at the same time they're euthanising the same dogs and saying its the humane thing to do.... BULLSHIT, any type of life is better than death.

[isa2o3]

i dont think vick should have gone to jail in the first place

[isa2o3]

I'd kill 2000 dogs before one person, I can't begin to understand you people that said vick, it's a crock of shit, dogs are his personal property. Nick Hogan's friends life and spine are not his to fuck up.

And bangin jimmy, charging dogfighters for murder? how the fuck do you justify that at the sametime you're chewing on a steak, riding around in leather seats, wearing leather shoes, keeping your money in a leather wallet, and sleeping in a down comforter. It doesn't make sense. In my eyes fighting your own dogs is just like throwing a vase at another vase and betting on which one will break into more pieces.

Another thing thet yerks me is... why are they charging the owners with cruelty at the same time they're euthanising the same dogs and saying its the humane thing to do.... BULLSHIT, any type of life is better than death.

you explained it

[87 Turbo II]

well normally I would say Vick, but since I heard the audio footage of Nick and his dad talking about using the situation as an idea for a TV show to make money off of giving his friend brain dammage, I thought "That mothafucka needs to go to hell". and I voted him.

[SixSquared]

I say Vick.

[DarwinsA32]

I say Vick.

Yeah, getting drunk underage,driving drunk underage, crashing and turning your friend into a vegetable for the rest of his life... real stand up thing to do.

[Arm&hammer]

they both fucked up.
and even though i hate what vick did soo fucking much i would still have to choose hogan because he messed up someones life forever.

[BanginJimmy]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

[87 Turbo II]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

Then what about my post you ignored? The driving may have been an accident, but saying that the kid he paralized was paralized and not him because God had it out for him, and that he could turn the whole ordeal of him crashing into the idea of a TV show to make money. Was that an accident. all of these calls were recorded during the prison visits his father and mother made, and can be listened to word for word, so it's not a myth. Was that an accident? So I go back to the:

people > animals arguement that so many have overlooked because they're too into their pets and say Nick sucks more than Vick.

[DarwinsA32]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

So those big beef slaughter house chains aren't killing for profit? Wtf, since when was cattle ranching not for profit?


Also, why don't you stop being such a prick and scoffing at the logic of others when your's itself is flawed.


So it's perfectly fine to kill animals en masse by pinning them in their entire life span, then knocking them upside the head to stun, then killing for one's benefit, but not okay to fight YOUR OWN dog for one's enjoyment or personal game... sorry but the two are equal in my eyes.

"just an accident?" okay, well when some stupid ass drunk slams into you and you're permanently moving around the world by blowing on a straw and having your diaper changed by your mother tell me whether the fuck you care whether it was an accident or not.
Your logic is flawed.

I'm not cold hearted and i love animals, but people> Animals, any day.

[Hikaru]

Voted Nick. He wasted so many opportunities others could only dream of, f-d up his friend, and ruined a perfectly good Supra. I like Hulk and all but his son is just such a waste...

[Tarzanman]

Britney Spears. She married some idiot and now he has a Ferrari.

WTF. I want a Ferrari

[BanginJimmy]

people> Animals, any day.

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

[Brian*]

Didn't Nick's parents buy him the alcohol?

[DarwinsA32]

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

Why because i don't see a problem with dog fighting? No human should ever go to jail for an animal. And don't give me that shit about he forced them to fight or he'd kill them. Animal shelters kill animals if they fail to be adopted in 3 days. i see no difference.

[tdurr]

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

wow, u lost some respect in my book(like u care).
I dont understand how you think natural selection should have more consequences then almost killing another person because of your bad habits.

Sure fighting dogs is wrong( i LOVE dogs, could care less bout most other animals) but when it comes down to it, would you really want a bystander to die and a dog to live?

Im with DarwinsA32 on this one. He really couldnt have said it better.
The only reason ppl even care a bout the whole dog fighting thing is because its vick. Most other ppl get 6months-a year, no fines, and other crap. Im pretty sure vick got so much attn because ppl didnt like him before hand. And they decided to "make a example" out of him. Nick got what the average person got.

[BanginJimmy]

Sure fighting dogs is wrong( i LOVE dogs, could care less bout most other animals) but when it comes down to it, would you really want a bystander to die and a dog to live?

Where was Vick ever in danger because of a dog? Simple answer, he wasnt. He tortured dogs to get his rocks off. It doesnt come down to anything other than that. I dont see why people keep making this dog vs person arguement because it never was an issue. Hogan fucked up and dam near killed a friend, BUT IT WASNT A CONSCIOUS ACT. Hogan made a mistake and his time. I think he should have gotten alot more time, but he did do his time. Vick made a point of torturing dogs just for the fun of it. It wasnt a mistake, it wasnt an accident, and it wasnt a lapse in judgement. It was something he enjoyed doing and will continue to do now that he is out of prison.

Im with DarwinsA32 on this one. He really couldnt have said it better. The only reason ppl even care a bout the whole dog fighting thing is because its vick. Most other ppl get 6months-a year, no fines, and other crap. Im pretty sure vick got so much attn because ppl didnt like him before hand. And they decided to "make a example" out of him. Nick got what the average person got.

Do you even know what Vick went to jail for? Considering the fact that you mentioned the sentense most other people get for dog fighting I really dont think you do.


I have said several times in this thread that if it was between me and a dog I'd fuck a dog up. We all know that wasnt the case though. It was a simple case of torturing another living thing for fun. People keep up this "pits love to fight" BS and it isnt true. A good friend of mine had 3 of them and they never once fought with eachother or another dog. He would take them all on walks with no leash and not think twice about it. Vick's dogs were trained to fight, that isnt natural.

[ShooterMcGavin]

If you vote to put vick in jail rather than hogan, explain why.

bc he's black, that's the answer you're looking for isn't it? so we can spark yet another race debate on IA?

[redrumracer]

well nick was an accident
vick not an accident

nick a human life
vick just some dogs(i love dogs but in no way does an animal equal a humans life)

nick and vick both committed a crime

i say both equal out and both deserved jail.

[BobbyFresco]

Why because i don't see a problem with dog fighting? No human should ever go to jail for an animal. And don't give me that shit about he forced them to fight or he'd kill them. Animal shelters kill animals if they fail to be adopted in 3 days. i see no difference.

Oh my damn. Someone finally sees what I've been trying to say for the longest fucking time. Reps when I can.

[87 Turbo II]

Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

Yeah because dogs do more for society than other people do, I get it. Dogs cure diseases and build shelters and transportation for us WAAAY more than humans do. Yeah I see your logic.

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

And yes to the question "was all caps necessary?" because you've ignored that arguement entirely, yet you still support the claim it targets.

[BobbyFresco]

Yeah because dogs do more for society than other people do, I get it. Dogs cure diseases and build shelters and transportation for us WAAAY more than humans do. Yeah I see your logic.

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

And yes to the question "was all caps necessary?" because you've ignored that arguement entirely, yet you still support the claim it targets.

Don't hold your breath, expecting a tangible response from BJ as you will not receive one. He tends to ignore someone when they make a valid point that he has no rebuttal for.

[SiRed94]

I say Nick Hogan. Because seeing PITA get pissed off is always funny.

[BanginJimmy]

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

I ignored the question because it has nothing to do with the actual crime or question at hand.

[hondachik]

I say Nick Hogan. Because seeing PITA get pissed off is always funny.

PETA