Worse: Nick Hogan or Micheal Vick

[BanginJimmy]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

[87 Turbo II]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

Then what about my post you ignored? The driving may have been an accident, but saying that the kid he paralized was paralized and not him because God had it out for him, and that he could turn the whole ordeal of him crashing into the idea of a TV show to make money. Was that an accident. all of these calls were recorded during the prison visits his father and mother made, and can be listened to word for word, so it's not a myth. Was that an accident? So I go back to the:

people > animals arguement that so many have overlooked because they're too into their pets and say Nick sucks more than Vick.

[DarwinsA32]

I love how everyone only looks at the final result and completely ignores the circumstances behind it. Nick Hogan is an idiot that screed up his friends life by being a compplete idiot, but it was still an accident, no matter how avoidable it was. What Vick did was purposefully torture animals just to get his rocks off. That alone tells me that he is sick in the head and will kill anything if there is profit to be made by it. I dont care if its a dog or a human.

Those BS excuses about eating meat and wearing leather shoes are laughable and not even worth a rebuttal.

So those big beef slaughter house chains aren't killing for profit? Wtf, since when was cattle ranching not for profit?


Also, why don't you stop being such a prick and scoffing at the logic of others when your's itself is flawed.


So it's perfectly fine to kill animals en masse by pinning them in their entire life span, then knocking them upside the head to stun, then killing for one's benefit, but not okay to fight YOUR OWN dog for one's enjoyment or personal game... sorry but the two are equal in my eyes.

"just an accident?" okay, well when some stupid ass drunk slams into you and you're permanently moving around the world by blowing on a straw and having your diaper changed by your mother tell me whether the fuck you care whether it was an accident or not.
Your logic is flawed.

I'm not cold hearted and i love animals, but people> Animals, any day.

[BanginJimmy]

people> Animals, any day.

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

[DarwinsA32]

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

Why because i don't see a problem with dog fighting? No human should ever go to jail for an animal. And don't give me that shit about he forced them to fight or he'd kill them. Animal shelters kill animals if they fail to be adopted in 3 days. i see no difference.

[BobbyFresco]

Why because i don't see a problem with dog fighting? No human should ever go to jail for an animal. And don't give me that shit about he forced them to fight or he'd kill them. Animal shelters kill animals if they fail to be adopted in 3 days. i see no difference.

Oh my damn. Someone finally sees what I've been trying to say for the longest fucking time. Reps when I can.

[tdurr]

Show me where there was a choice between a human and an animal. In some cultures my wife is my property. Like that muslim guy that beheaded his wife in NY because she was going to leave him. I guess he was perfectly justified in torturing and killer her because in his native culture she was his property.


Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

wow, u lost some respect in my book(like u care).
I dont understand how you think natural selection should have more consequences then almost killing another person because of your bad habits.

Sure fighting dogs is wrong( i LOVE dogs, could care less bout most other animals) but when it comes down to it, would you really want a bystander to die and a dog to live?

Im with DarwinsA32 on this one. He really couldnt have said it better.
The only reason ppl even care a bout the whole dog fighting thing is because its vick. Most other ppl get 6months-a year, no fines, and other crap. Im pretty sure vick got so much attn because ppl didnt like him before hand. And they decided to "make a example" out of him. Nick got what the average person got.

[BanginJimmy]

Sure fighting dogs is wrong( i LOVE dogs, could care less bout most other animals) but when it comes down to it, would you really want a bystander to die and a dog to live?

Where was Vick ever in danger because of a dog? Simple answer, he wasnt. He tortured dogs to get his rocks off. It doesnt come down to anything other than that. I dont see why people keep making this dog vs person arguement because it never was an issue. Hogan fucked up and dam near killed a friend, BUT IT WASNT A CONSCIOUS ACT. Hogan made a mistake and his time. I think he should have gotten alot more time, but he did do his time. Vick made a point of torturing dogs just for the fun of it. It wasnt a mistake, it wasnt an accident, and it wasnt a lapse in judgement. It was something he enjoyed doing and will continue to do now that he is out of prison.

Im with DarwinsA32 on this one. He really couldnt have said it better. The only reason ppl even care a bout the whole dog fighting thing is because its vick. Most other ppl get 6months-a year, no fines, and other crap. Im pretty sure vick got so much attn because ppl didnt like him before hand. And they decided to "make a example" out of him. Nick got what the average person got.

Do you even know what Vick went to jail for? Considering the fact that you mentioned the sentense most other people get for dog fighting I really dont think you do.


I have said several times in this thread that if it was between me and a dog I'd fuck a dog up. We all know that wasnt the case though. It was a simple case of torturing another living thing for fun. People keep up this "pits love to fight" BS and it isnt true. A good friend of mine had 3 of them and they never once fought with eachother or another dog. He would take them all on walks with no leash and not think twice about it. Vick's dogs were trained to fight, that isnt natural.

[87 Turbo II]

Oh and people like you make me say dog > human.

Yeah because dogs do more for society than other people do, I get it. Dogs cure diseases and build shelters and transportation for us WAAAY more than humans do. Yeah I see your logic.

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

And yes to the question "was all caps necessary?" because you've ignored that arguement entirely, yet you still support the claim it targets.

[BobbyFresco]

Yeah because dogs do more for society than other people do, I get it. Dogs cure diseases and build shelters and transportation for us WAAAY more than humans do. Yeah I see your logic.

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

And yes to the question "was all caps necessary?" because you've ignored that arguement entirely, yet you still support the claim it targets.

Don't hold your breath, expecting a tangible response from BJ as you will not receive one. He tends to ignore someone when they make a valid point that he has no rebuttal for.

[BanginJimmy]

AND STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT NICK'S WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUSE YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ANY OF MY MOTHERFUCKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW NICK TRIED TO PROFIT OFF HIS MISTAKE BY INSULTING HIS INJURED FRIEND'S NAME CAUSE YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL SO STFU WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS VS UNCONSCIOUS ACT B.S. BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE I PRESENTED TO YOU THAT YOU KEEP IGNORING.

I ignored the question because it has nothing to do with the actual crime or question at hand.