Gun control works, right? WRONG!!!!

[Jaimecbr900]

I was reading an article which covered Washington D.C.'s attempt to reverse an earlier Supreme Court decision to REMOVE the city's 30yr "gun ban" laws. According to the city, it is "necessary" in order to maintain a rise in crime in the city.

Well, just out of curiosity I did a quick search and compared Washington's crime rate to that of Kennesaw who is a city that got widely publicized and more importantly criticized for having a polar opposite law in place where it's citizens are supposed to be armed and protect themselves.

Guess what I found? Check it out for yourselves:

http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/com...kennesaw&s2=GA

Ironic isn't it? That our nation's capital is one of the worst crime ridden city's in the whole country, all the while having THE toughest gun control laws in place for the last 30 yrs.

So let's all go thru this together now.....Guns kill people, so by making ownership of them "illegal" we clean-up our streets magically. Wait, let's give it a year.....maybe 10 yrs.....maybe even 30 yrs. Streets any safer just yet? Actually they are exponentially LESS safe because the ONLY ones that have guns are the criminals and police. Now, take the opposite end of the spectrum and implement "mandatory" gun ownership in every home and what happens??? Crime rate drops an astonishing 75% in just the first year....another 40 something % the very next year after that. Right now, Kennessaw averages 0.19 MURDERS PER YEAR. I wonder why that is.....

Anyway, I know that most of IA is against gun control, but for those that STILL think guns kill people or somehow make crime worse.......yall are all nuts.

[Julio]

people kill people... dumb shit.

[WickedIXMR]

i dont know if dc did what kennasaw did would have the same outcome. Reason being is because how many percent of black people live in kennasaw? DC has a shit load of them. Like i mean almost every house there is full with black people, violent ones at that or theyre just drug addicts. If those people were forced to have guns i dont think the crime rate in dc would drop i think it would raise in that kind of place.

[Julio]

i dont know if dc did what kennasaw did would have the same outcome. Reason being is because how many percent of black people live in kennasaw? DC has a shit load of them. Like i mean almost every house there is full with black people, violent ones at that or theyre just drug addicts. If those people were forced to have guns i dont think the crime rate in dc would drop i think it would raise in that kind of place.

oh oh.

this topic has/will go in another direction soon.

[WickedIXMR]

oh oh.

this topic has/will go in another direction soon.

Lol its just the truth

[Echonova]

Lol its just the truth

el oh el

[JConner]

Lol its just the truth

I agree

[Jaimecbr900]

#1. It's certainly not comparing apples to apples for two reasons:

A. I'm comparing a city that requires gun ownership to a city that forbids it.
B. If you do the math and use per capita rates, you will see that it is a comparison worth making.

#2. A shotgun will actually penetrate less than some popular handgun rounds DEPENDING on the load you have in the shotgun. For personal protection in close quarters, the shotgun really doesn't need to be loaded down for bear with 3" magnum slugs or something. Some buckshot is more than enough. Hell, I wouldn't want to get hit with bird shot at any distance, let alone a few feet. This is the reason why a shotgun is sometimes a good choice for home defense. My shotguns have buckshot in them. I don't see a need for anything more than that.

BTW, they make frangible ammo for just about every caliber of handgun and rifle out there. It is specifically designed NOT to over penetrate and spend all it's energy in the target and nothing else. These are excellent personal defense loads, but that's it's ONLY use as it's not good for anything else. Ammo usually can be gauged to not over penetrate in just about any defense caliber.

#3. This is a function of perception. If the bad element PERCEIVES or THINKS that there is a CHANCE someone on the other side of that door they're about to kick in has a gun to defend themselves, the chances exponentially jump UP that he/she will NOT kick the door down in order to move onto an easier target.

#4. Numbers are numbers folks. A drop of 75% directly due to the passage of that law, eventhough we all KNOW not everybody went out and bought a gun to fulfill that law, is outstanding regardless. Look at it this way....DC and every other gun controlled city's crime rate has gone UP vs down eventhough they have tighter gun laws than any other cities in the country. So again, numbers don't lie. If the crime rate goes UP when you do something you swear was going to make it go DOWN, who's to blame? Use that same logic in the town of Kennesaw. What changed between 1982 and 1983 there? The new mandatory gun law. They didn't triple their police force. Actually their population had boomed from 5K to over 20K in a short period of time. So what made crime rate drop a whopping 75% in just ONE YEAR, and yet another 45% in the very next year after that???

Now look at DC in comparison. THE most restrictive city in just about everything. Hell, they won't even let you use a damn radar detector there. Freaking the worst crime rate in the whole country. Obviously gun control doesn't work, and it's the poster child of why not.

Besides, everyone has to remember that gun control laws only work for idiots like US who ABIDE by the laws. Criminals don't care. They will get their guns illegally, so they wipe their ass with laws. It's like punishing the good kids in a classroom for what 1 or 2 bad ones do. How's that make sense? It doesn't, and that is exactly why gun control will never work. It punishes good instead of bad.

[TIGERJC]

i dont know if dc did what kennasaw did would have the same outcome. Reason being is because how many percent of black people live in kennasaw? DC has a shit load of them. Like i mean almost every house there is full with black people, violent ones at that or theyre just drug addicts. If those people were forced to have guns i dont think the crime rate in dc would drop i think it would raise in that kind of place.

THIS IS WHY the crime rate is high in DC

DC

About 16.7% of families and 20.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 31.1% of those under age 18 and 16.4% of those over age 65.

Kennesaw

About 3.1% of families and 4.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.8% of those under age 18 and 12.5% of those age 65 or over

Black ppl are not the problem, poor ass blk ppl are the problem (Can you say hilter's final solution to get rid of the problem)

[yudalicious]

About 16.7% of families and 20.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 31.1% of those under age 18 and 16.4% of those over age 65.

Kennesaw

About 3.1% of families and 4.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.8% of those under age 18 and 12.5% of those age 65 or over

That's what I'm thinking too, while I don't consider myself particularly pro strict gun control or against, it certainly is comparing apples to oranges to compare DC and Kennesaw. Statistics are so easily skewed, just ask Michale Moore, he's the king of that.

[Jaimecbr900]

Good grief, stop with the apples to oranges and atleast try and semi-intelligently explain why you think it's not a fair comparison.

Is it the size? Is it the ratio of Black to White in the population? Is it that Michael Moore said so?

You want to know what's apples to oranges? Poverty levels, literacy levels, and the color of the land. What does any of that have to do with crime rates? There are poor, backward ass, country folk in the mountains that are way worse off than some "city" folk, yet they don't go around killing each other on a daily basis. Why is that? There's poorer, dumber, and yet less violent people out there.

Bottomline is pretty clear to me. Gun control at any level does not work, period. I challenge anyone to show a concrete example of how gun control works to help any crime rate anywhere. It doesn't. It is strictly a political strategy that works on the masses that don't use common sense, hence why they buy into it.

[Tasuki_Civic]

people kill people... dumb shit.

agreed

i dont know if dc did what kennasaw did would have the same outcome. Reason being is because how many percent of black people live in kennasaw? DC has a shit load of them. Like i mean almost every house there is full with black people, violent ones at that or theyre just drug addicts. If those people were forced to have guns i dont think the crime rate in dc would drop i think it would raise in that kind of place.

lol
clearly...
you've got issue

[Ed]

lol
clearly...
you've got issue

an issue with niggas...

[Tasuki_Civic]

an issue with niggas...

uuum ...ok

[WickedIXMR]

agreed









lol
clearly...
you've got issue

Nope i dont. If you ever been to DC you would know what i mean. And i dont mean the good parts of it

[Tasuki_Civic]

Nope i dont. If you ever been to DC you would know what i mean. And i dont mean the good parts of it

ive been to dc b4. it doesnt look any different than any other city that i have been to. no matter what part of town ( city wise ) not tha country.

[WickedIXMR]

ive been to dc b4. it doesnt look any different than any other city that i have been to. no matter what part of town ( city wise ) not tha country.

Well u obviously havent been to the bad parts of it

[Echonova]

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[DieselNuts]

Nice find. There is a city in Nevada that allows you to conceal your weapon at all times. A friend of mine lived there when she was in the military. She said it is the only city she has been to where you can leave your doors unlocked at all times. Funny how that works out...

[Stormhammer]

haha I actually bought myself a Remington 1100 Tactical 8-round semi-automatic shotgun with a 3" shell barrel yesterday just for home self-defense ( I'm under 21 so I can't own a handgun legally, but since where I'm going to college is in the middle of Marietta ghetto, you can never be TOO careful ) - and before you wail on getting a semi-automatic, I don't want to give that fucker a chance of escape between pumps

Plus I can always go skeet shooting....

[dELfONiK]

Chris Rock said it best...

Fuck that shit.
You don't need no gun control.

You know what you need?
We need some bullet control.

Man, we need to control the bullets,
that's right.

l think all bullets should cost $5000.

$5000 for a bullet. You know why?

'Cause if a bullet costs $5000,
there'd be no more innocent bystanders.

That'd be it.

Every time someone gets shot, people will
be like, ''Damn, he must have did something.

''Shit, they put $20000 worth of bullets
in his ass.''

People would think before
they killed somebody, if a bullet cost $5000.

''Man, l would blow your fucking head off,
if l could afford it.

''l'm gonna get me another job,
l'm gonna start saving some money...''

and you're a dead man.

''You better hope
l can't get no bullets on layaway.''

So even if you get shot by a stray bullet...
you won't have to go to no doctor
to get it taken out.

Whoever shot you
would take their bullet back.

''l believe you got my property.''

[.blank cd]

Chris Rock said it best...

and that is the fuckin truth!!! +2 for u dude

[Nissangeek]

haha I actually bought myself a Remington 1100 Tactical 8-round semi-automatic shotgun with a 3" shell barrel yesterday just for home self-defense ( I'm under 21 so I can't own a handgun legally, but since where I'm going to college is in the middle of Marietta ghetto, you can never be TOO careful ) - and before you wail on getting a semi-automatic, I don't want to give that fucker a chance of escape between pumps

Plus I can always go skeet shooting....

Where'd you get it and how much. I live in Doraville and kinda desire not to be killed in my sleep.lol

[Stormhammer]

Where'd you get it and how much. I live in Doraville and kinda desire not to be killed in my sleep.lol

Bullseye Gunshop in downtown Lawrenceville ( by the historic courthouse ) - $585 used ( brand new they're ~$700 )

but if you're 21 or over, go for a handgun ( that way you don't destroy shit you don't want destroyed and it leaves less of a mess )

[WickedIXMR]

haha I actually bought myself a Remington 1100 Tactical 8-round semi-automatic shotgun with a 3" shell barrel yesterday just for home self-defense ( I'm under 21 so I can't own a handgun legally, but since where I'm going to college is in the middle of Marietta ghetto, you can never be TOO careful ) - and before you wail on getting a semi-automatic, I don't want to give that fucker a chance of escape between pumps

Plus I can always go skeet shooting....

You know you could actually own a handgun just have to have someone 21 or over to buy you one as a "gift"

[Echonova]

You know you could actually own a handgun just have to have someone 21 or over to buy you one as a "gift"

[WickedIXMR]

Yes you can. Look into it. I mean into the laws not asking some joe schmo

[Echonova]

Yes you can. Look into it. I mean into the laws not asking some joe schmo

Where's Ruiner when you need him? Technically you may be right, I'm not up to date on Georgia's underage gun owning policy.

[WickedIXMR]

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Damn, youve been viewing this thread for a while, im guessing you either just left your computer on this thread or youre just writing a huuuuge post. Im gonna guess on the huge post

[Ed]

hmm oranges to apples man...

Population:
D.C. 550,521
Kennesaw 28,189

with more people more crime will come.

not taking any sides though, this is one of those cases.

[Echonova]

hmm oranges to apples man...

Population:
D.C. 550,521
Kennesaw 28,189

with more people more crime will come.

not taking any sides though, this is one of those cases.

What matters apparently is the total population of Africian Americians. lol The point is, the criminals don't really care if they are breaking the law by having a gun. You, as a law abiding citizen, do. You have no defense and the criminals know it. Making you easy prey. The easier it is, the more they are going to do it. Unless they are white.

[Ed]

What matters apparently is the total population of Africian Americians. lol The point is, the criminals don't really care if they are breaking the law by having a gun. You, as a law abiding citizen, do. You have no defense and the criminals know it. Making you easy prey. The easier it is, the more they are going to do it. Unless they are white.

shit... i guess im fucked... im not really white-american, but im whiter than some of you fuckers... lol

damn black folk fuckin it up for er'body.

lol

jk.

[WickedIXMR]

What matters apparently is the total population of Africian Americians. lol The point is, the criminals don't really care if they are breaking the law by having a gun. You, as a law abiding citizen, do. You have no defense and the criminals know it. Making you easy prey. The easier it is, the more they are going to do it. Unless they are white.

I agree


Population:
D.C. 550,521 (500,000 blacks)= criminals
Kennesaw 28,189 (26,000 whites)= regular citizens

[Ed]

I agree


Population:
D.C. 550,521 (500,000 blacks)= criminals
Kennesaw 28,189 (26,000 whites)= regular citizens

+1

[Echonova]

I agree


Population:
D.C. 550,521 (500,000 blacks)= criminals
Kennesaw 28,189 (26,000 whites)= regular citizens

[_Christian_]

hmm oranges to apples man...

Population:
D.C. 550,521
Kennesaw 28,189

with more people more crime will come.

not taking any sides though, this is one of those cases.

that chart does not represent the total numbers. it is a ratio per 100,000 people, so it is apples to apples

[NEONRACER]

This late in the game it is too late to try and control firearms. You would have to completely stop any new firearms from being made. Even at that the country is already flooded with them. There is no way to measure how many firearms are in this country. Once you stop the flow of new firearms you could slowing start removing weapons as crimes are committed but that is only if no illegal firearms are smuggled in from out of the country. Plain and simple gun control cannot work, it is too late. I could go on and on about this but I won't.

Everyone is so focussed on gun control that they are blind to what "your" government is doing to control ammunition. That's right ammunition is beginning to get the attention of the gun haters. The new standards put on ammunition as of last week will make it harder for stores to sell ammunition and firearms together. This is just the start of what is to come.

If you don't own a firearm get a firearm. You are a fool not to own one if you are legally able to. If you do not own a stash of ammo for your firearms you are a fool. The ammunition will be taken away before the firearms will be. Hell I was paying $4.99 for UMC .223 in December and in April it was $5.99-$7.99 if you could find it. I could buy 1,000 rd case of surplus 5.56 for under $200.00 last October, less than a year later it's almost double. It's not the guns they are going to go after it's the ammo. Once it is too expensive for people to buy they pass more legislation to control it even more.

[Ed]

that chart does not represent the total numbers. it is a ratio per 100,000 people, so it is apples to apples

i see, i wasnt so sure about it, and didnt wanna sound like an ass. thanks for correcting me. +1 if i can.

[tony]

Crime per Capita would be a better number to go by, but if you make it harder for the citizens to defend themselves they will likely become victims.

And question on purchasing a Shotgun for home protection, how far are your neighbors from your house? You have to consider their safety as well, having a firearm that would clearly pentrate walls in other houses makes me nervous. I own a .40 Caliber but for home protection I'm probably going to get a 9mm for the reason I've stated.

[Echonova]

Crime per Capita would be a better number to go by, but if you make it harder for the citizens to defend themselves they will likely become victims.

And question on purchasing a Shotgun for home protection, how far are your neighbors from your house? You have to consider their safety as well, having a firearm that would clearly pentrate walls in other houses makes me nervous. I own a .40 Caliber but for home protection I'm probably going to get a 9mm for the reason I've stated.

Don't miss and you won't have to worry about it.