What do you think?

[CopyRight]

okay, so then how about you skip the middle man? Goto his parents? Surely they would not help out their grandson? I'm sure they are more responsible than he is, and as you said, they always bail him out of trouble.

Tiff, here's what you need to do. Sit down, and figure out the cost of diapers, formula, bottles, clothes, baby wipes, toys, baby einstein videos, etc...

and break it all down, and email or show it to his parents....at $250 a month, that's a hell of a deal...

so does he not even want to pay child support and does he even want to see his son anymore? or is he just on to the new gf and forgetting his past?

[quickdodge®]

okay, so then how about you skip the middle man? Goto his parents? Surely they would not help out their grandson? I'm sure they are more responsible than he is, and as you said, they always bail him out of trouble.

She needs guaranteed payment, lolol. But good idea.

Tiff, here's what you need to do. Sit down, and figure out the cost of diapers, formula, bottles, clothes, baby wipes, toys, baby einstein videos, etc...

It's really hard to figure out what she will need. There are a few other expenses in there plus some that you don't even know may come about.

so does he not even want to pay child support and does he even want to see his son anymore?

If that's the case, go to court and have his parental rights terminated. Then, by law, he would not allowed to see or talk to the child again. Later, QD.

[Extrememustang]

okay, so then how about you skip the middle man? Goto his parents? Surely they would not help out their grandson? I'm sure they are more responsible than he is, and as you said, they always bail him out of trouble.

Tiff, here's what you need to do. Sit down, and figure out the cost of diapers, formula, bottles, clothes, baby wipes, toys, baby einstein videos, etc...

and break it all down, and email or show it to his parents....at $250 a month, that's a hell of a deal...

so does he not even want to pay child support and does he even want to see his son anymore? or is he just on to the new gf and forgetting his past?

I must have missed something, child enforcement that is right behind the wachovia in gainesville, off of ee butler is where she needs to go.I think she still lives in gainesville. Actually wait, I have there number.770-535-5735

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

okay, so then how about you skip the middle man? Goto his parents? Surely they would not help out their grandson? I'm sure they are more responsible than he is, and as you said, they always bail him out of trouble.

Tiff, here's what you need to do. Sit down, and figure out the cost of diapers, formula, bottles, clothes, baby wipes, toys, baby einstein videos, etc...

and break it all down, and email or show it to his parents....at $250 a month, that's a hell of a deal...

so does he not even want to pay child support and does he even want to see his son anymore? or is he just on to the new gf and forgetting his past?

He's moved on and could care less about his son. He says he does, but he's full of shit. He came to see him the other day for 15 minutes and had to leave because he wanted to see his new girl. Whatever though.

I should have left while I was pregnant, but I wanted to try to work things out for my son. I wanted him to grow up in a healthy home. Obviously, that didn't work, so now I know that if Max ever asks where his daddy is, and why he's not around, I can say I tried everything.

[quickdodge®]

so now I know that if Max ever asks where his daddy is, and why he's not around, I can say I tried everything.

Whatever you do, do NOT, seriously, bad talk the Father. That WILL come back to haunt you. If the child asks, tell him that you two couldn't get along and don't go into details about it. If you walk around talking shit about Father and he hears you or you tell him shit about Father, that child will remember and that child will say something. Especially if the Father remains in the child's life. He'll ask if you're saying anything and the child won't know and will tell. He can use that against you in court. Later, QD.

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

Whatever you do, do NOT, seriously, bad talk the Father. That WILL come back to haunt you. If the child asks, tell him that you two couldn't get along and don't go into details about it. If you walk around talking shit about Father and he hears you or you tell him shit about Father, that child will remember and that child will say something. Especially if the Father remains in the child's life. He'll ask if you're saying anything and the child won't know and will tell. He can use that against you in court. Later, QD.

I would never ever bad talk Clay to Max. I don't care if Clay tried to murder me, I would never do that. It makes it look like it's okay to talk bad about other people and I certainly don't want Max to do that, nor do I want him thinking he wasn't wanted. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Jaimecbr900]

Whatever you do, do NOT, seriously, bad talk the Father. That WILL come back to haunt you. If the child asks, tell him that you two couldn't get along and don't go into details about it. If you walk around talking shit about Father and he hears you or you tell him shit about Father, that child will remember and that child will say something. Especially if the Father remains in the child's life. He'll ask if you're saying anything and the child won't know and will tell. He can use that against you in court. Later, QD.

Not only in court, but the child will be resentful too.

Remember, when we were young, our parents were larger than life. They could do no wrong in our eyes. They were the best. Later on in life you either confirm that or get a wake up call.

If he is terrible father, Max will eventually figure that out on his own. It is NOT Tiff's place to help him make that decision. She doesn't have to lie because more than likely his actions will speak volumes all by themselves.

The truly sad part is that once a child thinks you're a piece of crap.....you're a piece of crap pretty much forever. They hold that in for a long long time. I personally couldn't bear the thought of any of my children thinking bad of me. That would kill me on the spot. I don't see how some people can live with that.

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

I personally couldn't bear the thought of any of my children thinking bad of me. That would kill me on the spot. I don't see how some people can live with that.

I totally agree.. It makes my day waking up with Max smiling at me, trusting me and depending on me 100% to give him everything he needs. He could be crying and screaming with a babysitter and when I walk in and say, "hello Max," he stops crying and smiles immediately! That makes me happier than anything else in the whole world.

[Jaimecbr900]

okay, so then how about you skip the middle man? Goto his parents? Surely they would not help out their grandson? I'm sure they are more responsible than he is, and as you said, they always bail him out of trouble.

Tiff, here's what you need to do. Sit down, and figure out the cost of diapers, formula, bottles, clothes, baby wipes, toys, baby einstein videos, etc...

and break it all down, and email or show it to his parents....at $250 a month, that's a hell of a deal...

so does he not even want to pay child support and does he even want to see his son anymore? or is he just on to the new gf and forgetting his past?

NO NO NO NO!!!

DO NOT put that $250/mo back up on the table AT ALL.

If he was a fool not to take that 1 time offer, he's a fool period.

Whatever the grandparents want to contribute should be gravy on top. If his parents have to pay HIS child support, that says a lot about HIM. HE can be easily forced to pay. If he doesn't pay, he will go to jail. If his parents want to help him stay out of jail, that's one thing, but they have no legal right nor can be forced to pay. Tiff should not go at raising this child alone. She wasn't alone when he was made, right? If he won't step up and act like a father, well then she should MAKE him step up and support her financially while she covers both roles.

I just don't see how a man can walk away from his own son and not be a father to him. If that cost me $250 or $25K/mo, it would be worth every penny to me. There's not enough money in the world worth my son. I just don't get it.

[Extrememustang]

NO NO NO NO!!!

DO NOT put that $250/mo back up on the table AT ALL.

If he was a fool not to take that 1 time offer, he's a fool period.

Whatever the grandparents want to contribute should be gravy on top. If his parents have to pay HIS child support, that says a lot about HIM. HE can be easily forced to pay. If he doesn't pay, he will go to jail. If his parents want to help him stay out of jail, that's one thing, but they have no legal right nor can be forced to pay. Tiff should not go at raising this child alone. She wasn't alone when he was made, right? If he won't step up and act like a father, well then she should MAKE him step up and support her financially while she covers both roles.

I just don't see how a man can walk away from his own son and not be a father to him. If that cost me $250 or $25K/mo, it would be worth every penny to me. There's not enough money in the world worth my son. I just don't get it.

Exactly.....

[quickdodge®]

I just don't see how a man can walk away from his own son and not be a father to him.

It happened to me when I was 1 year old. My Father left my Mom, got married, came back to divorce my Mom and volunteered to have his rights taken away from him where I was concerned and went and had two more children with his new wife, with whom he stayed with and raised the children to adults. Did I mention that the day he went to dis-own me, was a week after my sister was born? Yep. He dis-owned her as well. Later, QD.

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

It happened to me when I was 1 year old. My Father left my Mom, got married, came back to divorce my Mom and volunteered to have his rights taken away from him where I was concerned and went and had two more children with his new wife, with whom he stayed with and raised the children to adults. Did I mention that the day he went to dis-own me, was a week after my sister was born? Yep. He dis-owned her as well. Later, QD.

Sorry bastard. I'm sorry about that Mike, I had no idea.

Jaime, I totally agree... I could never leave Max, not for all the money in the world. He is my angel, my little doodlebug!

[Jaimecbr900]

It happened to me when I was 1 year old. My Father left my Mom, got married, came back to divorce my Mom and volunteered to have his rights taken away from him where I was concerned and went and had two more children with his new wife, with whom he stayed with and raised the children to adults. Did I mention that the day he went to dis-own me, was a week after my sister was born? Yep. He dis-owned her as well. Later, QD.

Sorry QD, but that glob of meat and bones is NOT a FATHER.

A father does not abandon their children PERIOD. I don't get it. I will NEVER get it.

It's hard for people that have no children of their own to understand what it's like when your son or daughter hugs you unconditionally. It's hard to imagine NOT teaching my son or daughter new things and watching that preverbial light bulb go off above their heads. It's impossible for me to fathom how someone can give up the chance to have your heart pound and your eyes tear up when your son or daughter does well in something. I can not understand how a man can bear to get out of bed KNOWING that he made his own son or daughter's life MORE difficult than it has to be.

Sorry QD, but that guy that abandoned you is no FATHER at all. You are a much better man for it, although I'm sorry that you had to go about it the wrong way. I know what you're gonna say, but I'm gonna give you props anyway.....

[quickdodge®]

Sorry QD, but that glob of meat and bones is NOT a FATHER.

A father does not abandon their children PERIOD. I don't get it. I will NEVER get it.

It's hard for people that have no children of their own to understand what it's like when your son or daughter hugs you unconditionally. It's hard to imagine NOT teaching my son or daughter new things and watching that preverbial light bulb go off above their heads. It's impossible for me to fathom how someone can give up the chance to have your heart pound and your eyes tear up when your son or daughter does well in something. I can not understand how a man can bear to get out of bed KNOWING that he made his own son or daughter's life MORE difficult than it has to be.

Sorry QD, but that guy that abandoned you is no FATHER at all. You are a much better man for it, although I'm sorry that you had to go about it the wrong way. I know what you're gonna say, but I'm gonna give you props anyway.....

Wrong choice of words, Jaime. I think exactly the way you do. Here is the technical term for this:

Any man can be a Father.....it takes a real man to be a Dad.

He was my Father. He just wasn't my Dad. I have never even seen a picture of him. Couldn't tell you anything about what he looked like or sounded like or anything. I never cared. I never asked. It was no big deal. My grandparents and Mom raised us and we're ok for it. Later, QD.

[B18c1Turboed]

Ill tell u this, i took my baby mama to court for rights for my daughter, i was willing to pay child support so no biggie,
Well they where taking them from my check, when i quit my job they couldnt do it anymore so i was mailing them a check every month instead.Later on we got back toghter and i started just paying her,but when we broke up she wanted me going thru the courts again.Needless to say they said we cant do it becasue she allowed me to stop.

So moral of STORY get them thru his check and never allow it too stop!!

[quickdodge®]

Ill tell u this, i took my baby mama to court for rights for my daughter, i was willing to pay child support so no biggie,
Well they where taking them from my check, when i quit my job they couldnt do it anymore so i was mailing them a check every month instead.Later on we got back toghter and i started just paying her,but when we broke up she wanted me going thru the courts again.Needless to say they said we cant do it becasue she allowed me to stop

Wow. B18c1Turboed, try going through another child support office. Mine isn't through DHR. It is through an agency called Child Support Recovery. If you want to do that. Later, QD.

[Extrememustang]

Ill tell u this, i took my baby mama to court for rights for my daughter, i was willing to pay child support so no biggie,
Well they where taking them from my check, when i quit my job they couldnt do it anymore so i was mailing them a check every month instead.Later on we got back toghter and i started just paying her,but when we broke up she wanted me going thru the courts again.Needless to say they said we cant do it becasue she allowed me to stop.

So moral of STORY get them thru his check and never allow it too stop!!

So wait,why were you paying her if you 2 got back together? She should have called them and told them that u 2 were back togther. Also if your going thru a palce and you pay her directly to them its like you havent paid. Holy crap Im over 1000 posts now.

[Extrememustang]

Wrong choice of words, Jaime. I think exactly the way you do. Here is the technical term for this:

Any man can be a Father.....it takes a real man to be a Dad.

He was my Father. He just wasn't my Dad. I have never even seen a picture of him. Couldn't tell you anything about what he looked like or sounded like or anything. I never cared. I never asked. It was no big deal. My grandparents and Mom raised us and we're ok for it. Later, QD.

Like the nirvana song.One of Kurt cobains lyrics is this. "All I had was a father but I really wanted a dad".

[CopyRight]

NO NO NO NO!!!

DO NOT put that $250/mo back up on the table AT ALL.

If he was a fool not to take that 1 time offer, he's a fool period.

Whatever the grandparents want to contribute should be gravy on top. If his parents have to pay HIS child support, that says a lot about HIM. HE can be easily forced to pay. If he doesn't pay, he will go to jail. If his parents want to help him stay out of jail, that's one thing, but they have no legal right nor can be forced to pay. Tiff should not go at raising this child alone. She wasn't alone when he was made, right? If he won't step up and act like a father, well then she should MAKE him step up and support her financially while she covers both roles.

I just don't see how a man can walk away from his own son and not be a father to him. If that cost me $250 or $25K/mo, it would be worth every penny to me. There's not enough money in the world worth my son. I just don't get it.

my bad, I thought she was just dead set on $250 from him...

my question now is, if he's filed bankruptcy and has repo's...wont that effect the overall child support if court ordered?

and I was simply saying the grandparents pay the child support, because it didnt sound like this fella made enough to even cover child support...

the way I see it, get a set amount that makes both parties happy, wether it be grandparents or him paying it, make a binding contract and have it notarized and lawyers present when both parties are signing...

oh yeah, I forgot about health care costs and possible emergencies! so at $250 a month that was first offered, that was a fucking steal...so he's a dumbass alright, but in the same token it helped Tiff, because she would've been getting screwed as well with that $250

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

my bad, I thought she was just dead set on $250 from him...

my question now is, if he's filed bankruptcy and has repo's...wont that effect the overall child support if court ordered?

and I was simply saying the grandparents pay the child support, because it didnt sound like this fella made enough to even cover child support...

the way I see it, get a set amount that makes both parties happy, wether it be grandparents or him paying it, make a binding contract and have it notarized and lawyers present when both parties are signing...

oh yeah, I forgot about health care costs and possible emergencies! so at $250 a month that was first offered, that was a fucking steal...so he's a dumbass alright, but in the same token it helped Tiff, because she would've been getting screwed as well with that $250

Yes, healthcare cost and possible emergencies... His insurance deductible is $2000 if he needs surgery, etc.

HIs parents have offered to pay for the court costs to get child support from him. His mother is sick about all of this and thinks that he needs to step up his game (but what mother wouldn't?)

I guess so, but I'm gonna have to get in writing that I get booty twice a day, and Max will no longer be Max...he will be named Zeus. haha

LOL, His name is actually Maximus - it's already strong enough, no need to change it to Zeus!

[CopyRight]

LOL, His name is actually Maximus - it's already strong enough, no need to change it to Zeus!

alright, that's fine Maximus will work. I noticed you didn't even argue the other condition! maybe I need to step it up to 3 or 4! hahaha

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

alright, that's fine Maximus will work. I noticed you didn't even argue the other condition! maybe I need to step it up to 3 or 4! hahaha

or 5 or 6. lol:idb: I'm fixed, why not!? haha