Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Franken open to individual mandate delay
"Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) says he would be open to a brief delay in the individual mandate if the problems with HealthCare.gov aren’t fixed by the end of the month, according to Minnesota Public Radio.
"I think then we have to consider extending the deadline for the mandate, but let’s hope that doesn’t happen," Franken told MPR.
Franken has so far been relatively quiet about potential changes to the health-care law, but he now joins a growing group of Senate Democrats in seats that could be targeted by the GOP in 2014 who are speaking up on the issue."
Didn't Chris Matthews call Sen. Ted Cruz a "political terrorist" when he tried to change Obamacare?
Now, if Sen. Franken ends up supporting a delay to the individual mandate, does that make him a "political terrorist" as well? Will we see an outcry from MSNBC denouncing him?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
What does Bush have to do with this discussion?
It was a rhetorical question aimed at sarcastically poking fun at the democratic narrative.....
you know...?
Everything bad is Bush's fault and Obama has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than killing Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands.
well no one said anything about it but you, so...
He said "i should know that the president doesnt do anything"
This goes against what i hear in the media regarding previous presidents.
Why are you so preoccupied with what the media says?
Delaying the mandates, changing the law and its implementation.
last week he told the Insurance companies its ok to break his own law so people wouldnt lose their own insurance. He basically is circumventing pieces of legislation to appease voters when the backlash gets more than he can handle
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I guess he isnt going to answer this.
Another bullet point for this one. His admin delayed the small business exchange, which is part of the ACA.
Since when does the president have the authority to unilaterally change the law?
CNN is reporting now that, according to their polling, only 35% of Americans actually still support Obamacare.
62% oppose the ACA.
CNN Poll: Health care law support drops to all-time low – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Other numbers:
42% say they will be personally worse off under Obamacare, with 16% saying the law will help them.
As for Obama's promise that you could keep your same doctor and health plan - 35% are not able to see their same doctor.
This was a telephone survey, so it meets blank's acceptance criteria and is to be considered scientific.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Now, if you don't already know - if you want coverage through the exchanges on Jan 1st, you have to sign up and pay for your plan by today.
Obamacare deadlines: Pick plan now for January 1 coverage - Dec. 22, 2013
So far, just over 1 million have signed up in healthcare.gov. No word on if they all paid up yet.
No one knows where the other 46 million uninsured Americans, who Obama said were calling for insurance, have gone to find their insurance.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Its working doe.
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Shit. Deadline is today. And I was gonna get on the exchange. Oh well. Another year of paying out of my ass for something I don't use.
You have until tomorrow to select your plan, and while you are supposed to pay for it by tomorrow, many insurers are giving you until Jan 10th to pay for it.
So, go ahead and sign up now and let us know how that goes.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Now on CNN: Obama signs up for Obamacare, even though his healthcare is taken care of through the military and he has a doctor devoted to his care on every trip.
Also, the government is now extending the deadline to sign up from today until tomorrow.
Obamacare deadline extended by one day - Dec. 22, 2013
I was wrong earlier when I stated over a million had signed upon the federal site, healthcare.gov. Turns out that is the total of all people who have signed up for private insurance on both the federal and state exchanges, but it appears that is only a sign up number, not a number of those who have already paid for thier coverage.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
PER CNN
Premiums not rising doeObamacare may finally be in full swing, but most Americans are still going to be paying more for health care.
Health care premiums for large employer-sponsored plans are expected to rise by as much as 7%, compared to a roughly 3.3% increase in 2013, according to an analysis by Aon Hewitt.
Average employee costs, including premiums and out-of-pocket expenses such as co-pays and deductibles, are expected to reach nearly $5,000, an increase of almost 150% from a decade ago.
"We've seen that consistently year-over-year, more and more of the cost is being shifted to employees, something we expect to continue going forward," said Geoffrey Kuhn, a senior vice president at Aon Hewitt.
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If only someone would have predicted this 3 years ago we might have been able to avoid it.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I have gotten to the point that I skim the articles and read the comments word for word.
If anyone has any questions as to why this country is in the shape its in now, just read the comments. If that doesnt answer your questions, you are part of the problem.
CBO: O-Care slowing growth, contributing to job losses
What? Obamacare will cost jobs and generally hurt the economy? Sure didn't see that coming.............The new healthcare law will slow economic growth over the next decade, costing the nation about 2.5 million jobs and contributing to a $1 trillion increase in projected deficits, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said in a report released Tuesday.
The nonpartisan agency’s report found the healthcare law’s negative effects on the economy will be “substantially larger” than what it had previously anticipated.
The CBO is now estimating the law will reduce labor force compensation by 1 percent from 2017-2024, twice the reduction it previously had projected.
This will decrease the number of full-time equivalent jobs in 2021 by 2.3 million, the CBO said. It had previously estimated the decrease would be 800,000.
The budget scorekeeper said this decrease would be caused partly by people leaving the workforce in response to lower wages offered by employers and increased insurance coverage through the healthcare law.
The agency also said employer penalties in the law would decrease wages, and part-year workers would be slower to return to the work force because they would seek to retain ObamaCare insurance subsidies.
"All our analysis led us to conclude the effects of the [healthcare law] on labor force participation would be a good deal larger than we had though originally," CBO Director Doug Elmendorf said. "Fundamentally, the Affordable Care Act provides subsidies to lower income people and those subsidies phase out ... that will have some effects on discouraging labor supply."
The healthcare law isn’t the only reason the CBO is projecting slower economic growth between 2014 and 2023, however. It also cited inflation and lower productivity as reasons why it was lowering its projections.
The slower growth will mean less tax revenue, which will add to the deficit. Instead of adding $6.3 trillion in deficits from 2014 to 2023, the government will add $7.3 trillion, the CBO now projects.
By 2023, the gross debt of the United States will be $26 trillion, up from a projected $25 trillion. A year later, the debt will rise to $27 trillion as the $1.074 trillion deficit for fiscal 2024 is added in.
The CBO said that the ObamaCare labor effects cause about 0.5 percent drop in nominal GDP over ten years.
“Most of the increase in projected deficits results from lower projections for the growth of real GDP and for inflation, which have resulted in projected revenues between 2014 and 2023 by $1.4 trillion,” the CBO explained.
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the chairman of the House Budget Committee, said lawmakers must address the nation's long-term fiscal outlook.
"Washington can't continue to ignore the problem: trillions of dollars in empty promises. And Obamacare is only making things worse. This costly law is not only pushing government spending to new heights; it is disrupting coverage and leaving millions of Americans worse off," Ryan said.
The White House argued that the CBO report cannot be used to say ObamaCare "hurts jobs."
"Over the longer run, CBO finds that because of this law, individuals will be empowered to make choices about their own lives and livelihoods, like retiring on time rather than working into their elderly years or choosing to spend more time with their families," spokesman Jay Carney said, adding "the Republican plan to repeal the ACA would strip those hard-working Americans of that opportunity."
The CBO now thinks the economy will grow at 3.1 percent in this fiscal year, which ends in October, rather than the 3.4 percent growth it predicted last year.
The unemployment rate is projected to fall to 6.7 percent by the end of the year, much lower than the 7.6 percent the CBO saw for 2014 previously. The budget office does not see unemployment falling below 6 percent for the rest of President Obama’s term, however.
In the near term, the CBO is projecting smaller deficits.
The budget office says legislation enacted since May has reduced deficits by $400 billion.
For 2014, the deficit is slated to be $514 billion, an improvement of $46 billion from last year’s projection.
In 2015, the deficit falls to $478 billion. That is still higher than the last full year of the Bush administration, when the deficit was $458 billion, but it is a steep drop from the $1 trillion deficits of most of the Obama years.
The CBO also said the botched ObamaCare rollout will result in 6 million people signing up for coverage through the insurance exchanges this year, 1 million fewer than projected last year.
One million fewer people will enroll in Medicaid and children's health insurance through the healthcare law, and 1 million more people will be uninsured in 2014.
LOL only an asshat like Carney would claim that a law the CBO is saying destroys jobs and is inflating costs would cost "HARD WORKING AMERICANS" and blame it on the GOP."Over the longer run, CBO finds that because of this law, individuals will be empowered to make choices about their own lives and livelihoods, like retiring on time rather than working into their elderly years or choosing to spend more time with their families," spokesman Jay Carney said, adding "the Republican plan to repeal the ACA would strip those hard-working Americans of that opportunity."
Its not even debatable, Working Americans would be better off WITHOUT the ACA, premiums would be lower, and many people would still have insurance
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facepalm
Havent seen any democratic proposals to repeal the ACA.
Very debatable as a matter of fact...Its not even debatable, Working Americans would be better off WITHOUT the ACA, premiums would be lower, and many people would still have insurance
You're absolutely right. No substance at all. You read what you wanted to read and posted your own synopsis of it.
Internet politics.
So only a plan from the left is worth considering?
Not at all. More than 6 million have lost their health insurance because of Obamacare.
So why dont you post up your own synopsis. It seems like everyone else is coming to same conclusions I am seeing here. This includes commentary on Fox Business, Bloomberg radio, and CNBC.
~waits for blank to copy/paste "But it's probably just my right-wing extremist brain looking for a conspiracy." and make a snarky "I'm better than you" comment.~
Reading what I want to read? Despite the little silver linings that you can pick out here and there that will be positives for people the overall effect on the economy will be negative. You can slice it, dice it, twist it, spin it, whatever you want to do with it, but at the end of the day the OVERALL effect on the economy is a negative one, no matter how many little positives you want to pull out to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy.
Go ahead Blank, dazzle us, tell us how we're all wrong and how wonderful Obamacare is and how it's going to have a positive effect on the economy.
He's not only the smartest man in the room now, he's the smartest man in all the land. Everyone is coming to the same conclusion, that Obamacare will have a negative effect on the economy overall, but we're just reading what we want to read and hearing what we want to hear.
^ Found the first person who read only what they wanted to read.
The CBO is ALWAYS wrong they always are soft on predictions.
You look at their disparaging numbers on policies you like and say "mehhhh" then you look at their total bullshit deficit projections and go "SEE!!!!!!"
They have been about 2 trillion OFF on Obamacares costs SO FAR and we havent even hit the MEAT part of it yet. The employer mandate will make it far worse
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lol, right. No comment of any substance, I'm shocked.
I wish I wasnt lazy and could go find my post from 3-4 years ago that said :
Im sure Blank still thinks this is all utter bullshit and premiums are falling drastically"Mark my words, you will have healthcare, at the expense of your job"
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This is how the CBO "estimates"
Obamacare was passed in 2010. In less than 6 months after its rollout, they were off by roughly 1.5 million. WHOOPS.ObamaCare will slash the equivalent of 2.3 million full-time jobs by 2021, according to the Congressional Budget Office. This is significantly more than the 800K originally estimated.
So tell me HOW am I supposed to give any weight to their "deficit reduction" projections?
They underestimated Obamacare by 2 Trillion.
Take anything the CBO says , and go the other way. IF they say it costs $1, assume $5. If they say 2 years, assume 5
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In all fairness... The CBO can only score things on the parameters they are given. They can't come out and say "This program makes no fucking sense whatsoever".
'Cause honestly both parties spend money so poorly it makes you wonder how they are rich... Oh wait, it's because they aren't spending their own money.
Thats why the CBO is never really accurate.
LOL Blank, 6 million people lost their insurance, WORKING FAMILIES lost their healthcare and the .gov rates were higher or the plans cost more(which is why they lost their plans in the first place). OR they lost their doctors.
Its not debatable
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I'm seeing more and more of these "I'm so happy being poor" stories surfacing in the Yahoo/Google news... But it's probably just my right-wing extremist brain looking for a conspiracy.
Why this millennial quit his 6-figure job and gave away most of his possessions - Yahoo Finance
By making less money on purpose, I'm ashamed to say he's ditching his civic responsibility to pay for the "greatest" generation's healthcare.
But...but.... it's all tacit implication. It hasn't happened to me, so it is not happening....herp derp!!
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
I wouldn't use big words you don't understand.
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