Vermont passes single-payer.
As health-insurance problems keep arising, Vermont offers a ray of hope | MinnPost
Surely this place will start looking like Afghanistan and North Korea any minute now....
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Vermont passes single-payer.
As health-insurance problems keep arising, Vermont offers a ray of hope | MinnPost
Surely this place will start looking like Afghanistan and North Korea any minute now....
Well 2 things will inevitably happen
1) Costs will rise
2) Care will suffer (as in quality of care)
YOu can bet on higher taxes, and doctors leaving the state. Save this post and respond in 5 years
SIGN ME UP
Vermont needs $2 billion in new taxes to fund single-payer health-care plan
Vermont needs $2 billion in new taxes to fund single-payer health-care plan - Green Mountain Outlook
I'm guessing that you haven't been following the news. Either Obama was lying, or his staff was intentionally hiding pertinent information from him. Either way, bad news.
Private consulting firm warned of glitches before healthcare.gov launch – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Obamacare declared a success by Obama? Not so fast - the numbers fall right in line with what I have been seeing.
Bad news for woman cited as Obamacare success story – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Originally Posted by .blank cd
A blog. And you question my sources? LOL
Vermont has two insurers for the state. Vermont uses a community rating that blends the rates across ages, making younger participants pay much higher premiums than if they lived in another state.
Vermont's suggested cost savings are being questioned by Avalere Health, as the numbers don't add up: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...S03/311140037/
What does the source matter in this case? I'm not disputing a fact. Vermont passed single payer, did they not?Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
So, sources only matter when others are stating information, not when you are. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
They aren't implementing it until 2017.
Their current system is not single payer. What the heck is Vermont Health Connect? - VTDigger
Do you know why they are attempting it there? It's the most liberal state in the union and with a population of about 626,000 and just 15 hospitals, all nonprofits, it is the only state with a chance to actually implement it. Also, Vermont also has little income diversity. In the rest of the country, we see that people with lower incomes who don't pay into a health care system make it costlier for other people. In Vermont, 96 percent of children have insurance coverage, and 91 percent of the overall population does - only Mass. ranks higher.
Now, how are you going to make it work in a state like GA or CA? - or any state that has racial and income divides much, much wider than VT (the other 49 states).
How Obamacare has fared in each state
Pretty poorly in GA
Obamacare signup delayed -- for 2015 - CNN.com
Obamacare signup is delayed until 2015. Sounds like the Democrats started getting worried about mid-terms.
Someone is not being truthful. As someone who has delivered many enterprise software applications, I can say that the testing documentation and defect report is likely to be correct, not the CMS officials.
Key part of HeathCare.gov passed test but was still shelved - CNN.com
Lowest growth in healthcare spending and costs in 50 years.
http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul...embargo_v2.pdf
But....Fox and friends said Obamacare would make costs skyrocket. Hmmm....
Hospital readmission rates are down as well. Guess that means
Are both false so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
when you pick your own facts to fit your point of view, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
LOL@ using the WHITE HOUSE as a "SOURCE" LOLOL yeah cause they have NOTHING to lose do they HAHAHAHA
49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41% - Forbes
2014 health insurance costs rising more | The Columbus Dispatch
Obamacare Raising Premiums, Hurting Middle, Lower Class | Washington Free Beacon
Just google OBAMACARE and look at all the LEFT WING places reporting the massive increases, cancellations, and impending rate hikes.
Or, stick your head in the sand and ignore it
Lol. Talk about sticking your head in the sand....Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Or I suppose the more logical explanation is that all those people are talking out of their ass.
Cherry picking to fit your argument and narrative. LEGIT!
Blank, I think you don't know how to interpret your own posted report.
What is spent on healthcare is not the same topic as the new Obamacare rates. Apples to oranges.
Older Hill aides shocked by Obamacare prices - Jonathan Allen and Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com
Sticker shock hits health exchange shoppers
Do You Win Or Lose Under Obamacare? What You Must Know To See How You'll Fare - Forbes
If you BELIEVE that Healthcare costs are FALLING, then you are a lost cause I dont have to spend 20 pages explaining why youre wrong. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid
Healthcare costs have slowed. That's what I said, and that's what the data shows. Nothing more. Nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
Well I just spent one post telling you how you were wrong, so apparantly you know something all those people don't know. Please, share it with the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
I believe what the data shows. Nothing more. The data says healthcare spending and cost growth is lower than it's been in 50 years, it even says ACA is the cause. It also says readmission rates are also slowing. That almost directly contradicts your claim of costs rising and quality of care falling. So, if you have some information that contradicts what all those people researched, then please, share it with us.
This post contradicts itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
OkQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Facts are a needless distraction.
This is how blank sees the facts, and how he will be shown the truth. It's right under his nose... One day. Not today, but one day.
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Franken open to individual mandate delay
"Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) says he would be open to a brief delay in the individual mandate if the problems with HealthCare.gov aren’t fixed by the end of the month, according to Minnesota Public Radio.
"I think then we have to consider extending the deadline for the mandate, but let’s hope that doesn’t happen," Franken told MPR.
Franken has so far been relatively quiet about potential changes to the health-care law, but he now joins a growing group of Senate Democrats in seats that could be targeted by the GOP in 2014 who are speaking up on the issue."
Didn't Chris Matthews call Sen. Ted Cruz a "political terrorist" when he tried to change Obamacare?
Now, if Sen. Franken ends up supporting a delay to the individual mandate, does that make him a "political terrorist" as well? Will we see an outcry from MSNBC denouncing him?
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If you're as smart as you play to be you would know that our President doesn't have an actual say in ...... anything really.
So everything is or isnt Bush's fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manny Naber
What does Bush have to do with this discussion?
http://thehill.com/sites/default/fil...mapengetty.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Manny Naber
It was a rhetorical question aimed at sarcastically poking fun at the democratic narrative.....Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
you know...?
Everything bad is Bush's fault and Obama has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than killing Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands.
well no one said anything about it but you, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
He said "i should know that the president doesnt do anything"Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
This goes against what i hear in the media regarding previous presidents.
Why are you so preoccupied with what the media says?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
The media is an instrumental tool in deciding elections. If they were honest, Obama wouldnt be president. That's a pretty big deal IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Then under what authority did he use to modify the law of the land, Obamacare, without congressional approval?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manny Naber
Could you clarify what you mean by "modify without congressional approval"?Quote:
Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Delaying the mandates, changing the law and its implementation.
last week he told the Insurance companies its ok to break his own law so people wouldnt lose their own insurance. He basically is circumventing pieces of legislation to appease voters when the backlash gets more than he can handle