CIA? It's the NSA with the secretive monitoring capabilities, and the Secret Service that came to visit him.Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
If you make any kind of statement that MIGHT be construed as a physical threat against the President, it is the job of the Secret Service to fully investigate you, and to determine if you are a legitimate threat. This includes inciting others to commit violent acts.
United States Secret Service: National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC)
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Just to be clear, they aren't monitoring our every word. They are monitoring metadata which does not include any voice or transcript of what was said. It is only things like call location, duration, etc.
Wouldn't have believed possible two years ago? We knew about this kinda shit 7 years ago. Did you already forget about the Bush warrantless wiretapping issue? Here's a reminder:
Bush Administration's Warrantless Wiretapping Program - Washington Post
Highlights below:
Revelations in May 2006 showed that the NSA made an effort to log a majority of the telephone calls made within the United States since Sept. 11, 2001 -- amassing the domestic call records of tens of millions of U.S. households and businesses in an attempt to sift them for clues about terrorist threats.
On Sept. 7, 2006, President Bush defended the controversial program and urged Congress to give him additional authority to continue the warrantless eavesdropping, as part of a series of speeches on the war on terror leading up to the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
On Jan. 17, 2007, the Bush administration announced an abrupt reversal to its policy, agreeing to disband the controversial program run by the National Security Agency that it had staunchly defended, to replace it with a new effort overseen by the secret court that administers the FISA.
That is incorrect
He's basing his it on what Obama tells him that he's doing. It's like arguing with a christian when they say "but the bible says"
Then I the information I have received is wrong or out of date. Can you link me to where it says they are listening to all the content of those calls? Was it in that link you posted later?
They could be doing more, you are right. But until I haven't seen the evidence that they are. I'm not going to trust them but I'm also not going to assume something of which I have no proof of.
All you have to do is post evidence that they are listening to the content of all those calls and I will agree with you. I'm basing it on the evidence I have heard, that's all. It sounds like maybe I just haven't heard all the details. No reason to assume I know everything that you know about this. It sounds like I'm just misinformed. I have no particular love for Obama. I didn't even vote for him last time around.
Why would a logical person believe the testimony of an organization that is only offering it's testimony because someone leaked the lie they were attempting to keep hidden?????
You're believing what you're told by someone who is only telling you anything because they got caught.
How many times does someone have to lie to you and deceive you before you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Let's think about this for a minute.
The NSA has lied, under oath, to Congress concerning this DOMESTIC SPYING program and its capabilities. Not just once, but multiple times, over several years, and as recently as in March 2013, when the NSA chief point-blank lied to Congress when asked specifically about it. Don't take my word for it, hear or read it yourself:
NSA Chief Denies Wired's Domestic Spying Story (Fourteen Times) In Congressional Hearing - Forbes
Now, considering that they had no problems lying to Congress, what makes you think that they are telling you the truth when they say that they do not listen to domestic phone calls or read domestic internet communications?
Rodgers gave his speech yesterday where he declared that the NSA is not reading your emails. He is partially correct. The NSA is not sitting there reading your emails - that would take way too long. What they do have are data centers that run programs on internet communications, including emails, scanning for terms, words, etc, that need more scrutiny. Applications can do this tedious work much more efficiently than humans. Need evidence? Look at the new data center in Utah.
NSA's Utah Home Is A 1.5 Million Square Foot 'Spy Center'
Of course, the NSA is denying that the center will be used for domestic spying. Instead, they want to say that it is to protect against cyberthreats. Anyone that works in computer software knows that the NSA is not the group that has the most impact on cyberthreats - its CERT, and they are not in Utah, and not part of the NSA - they are part of FEMA.
here's a better timeline: https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline
You are assuming that what they are telling you is the truth. There is no one else that has independently verified their claims. I remind you that they have lied to Congress concerning the collection of data previously, so on what basis (other than faith in the government) do you have to trust them when they tell you that they are not listening to calls when they want to?
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