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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy View Post
    That is incorrect
    Then I the information I have received is wrong or out of date. Can you link me to where it says they are listening to all the content of those calls? Was it in that link you posted later?

    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    You are assuming that what they are telling you is the truth. There is no one else that has independently verified their claims. I remind you that they have lied to Congress concerning the collection of data previously, so on what basis (other than faith in the government) do you have to trust them when they tell you that they are not listening to calls when they want to?
    They could be doing more, you are right. But until I haven't seen the evidence that they are. I'm not going to trust them but I'm also not going to assume something of which I have no proof of.

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    He's basing his it on what Obama tells him that he's doing. It's like arguing with a christian when they say "but the bible says"
    All you have to do is post evidence that they are listening to the content of all those calls and I will agree with you. I'm basing it on the evidence I have heard, that's all. It sounds like maybe I just haven't heard all the details. No reason to assume I know everything that you know about this. It sounds like I'm just misinformed. I have no particular love for Obama. I didn't even vote for him last time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    All you have to do is post evidence that they are listening to the content of all those calls and I will agree with you. I'm basing it on the evidence I have heard, that's all. It sounds like maybe I just haven't heard all the details. No reason to assume I know everything that you know about this. It sounds like I'm just misinformed. I have no particular love for Obama. I didn't even vote for him last time around.
    Why would a logical person believe the testimony of an organization that is only offering it's testimony because someone leaked the lie they were attempting to keep hidden?????

    You're believing what you're told by someone who is only telling you anything because they got caught.

    How many times does someone have to lie to you and deceive you before you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    They could be doing more, you are right. But until I haven't seen the evidence that they are. I'm not going to trust them but I'm also not going to assume something of which I have no proof of.

    All you have to do is post evidence that they are listening to the content of all those calls and I will agree with you. I'm basing it on the evidence I have heard, that's all. It sounds like maybe I just haven't heard all the details. No reason to assume I know everything that you know about this. It sounds like I'm just misinformed. I have no particular love for Obama. I didn't even vote for him last time around.
    Let's think about this for a minute.

    The NSA has lied, under oath, to Congress concerning this DOMESTIC SPYING program and its capabilities. Not just once, but multiple times, over several years, and as recently as in March 2013, when the NSA chief point-blank lied to Congress when asked specifically about it. Don't take my word for it, hear or read it yourself:
    NSA Chief Denies Wired's Domestic Spying Story (Fourteen Times) In Congressional Hearing - Forbes

    Now, considering that they had no problems lying to Congress, what makes you think that they are telling you the truth when they say that they do not listen to domestic phone calls or read domestic internet communications?

    Rodgers gave his speech yesterday where he declared that the NSA is not reading your emails. He is partially correct. The NSA is not sitting there reading your emails - that would take way too long. What they do have are data centers that run programs on internet communications, including emails, scanning for terms, words, etc, that need more scrutiny. Applications can do this tedious work much more efficiently than humans. Need evidence? Look at the new data center in Utah.
    NSA's Utah Home Is A 1.5 Million Square Foot 'Spy Center'

    Of course, the NSA is denying that the center will be used for domestic spying. Instead, they want to say that it is to protect against cyberthreats. Anyone that works in computer software knows that the NSA is not the group that has the most impact on cyberthreats - its CERT, and they are not in Utah, and not part of the NSA - they are part of FEMA.

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