This is a sickening world we live in....Cameron condemns brutal hacking death, says Britain stands firm - CNN.com
British soldier hacked to death after being run over with car
This is a sickening world we live in....Cameron condemns brutal hacking death, says Britain stands firm - CNN.com
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The worse thing is that all everybody else could do was stand and gawk.....
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Britain oulawed guns, and none of them wanted to confront two armed men (one of which had a revolver), when they themselves are not allowed to carry weapons for defense.Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Id have to say armies just using stick and rocks have won over swords so many versus 2 yeah.....WTF!
Gun laws prevented any legal citizens from carrying and being able to respond to these two - that's fact. These two ran the guy down first with the car. They didn't just cut him first. While we will never know for certain if the result could have been different if someone had a legal firearm, we can say that there could have been a possibility at least.
So, you think that the unarmed crowd should have attacked 2 guys that were armed with a gun, a car, and several large knives, and had already shown that they were looking to kill?
Remember - none of these people had any weapons, and were still in shock from seeing these guys almost hack the guy's head off.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Well since the record shows they basically wanted to die since they didn't leave or want to then no. I can't help wonder though what was stopping someone from driving a car over the suspects. I guess no one living near by had a rifle to use those are legal and would have helped.
C'mon David don't make this about gun laws. Two homicidal guys wanted to kill someone in public to make a point. No gun law would have stopped this.
It was a valid response to the statement he quoted. I sure as hell am not getting involved with 2 armed men bent on murder if I dont hold some type of serious advantage.
A gun did stop it. Luckily the guy didnt want to kill anymore people, because he would have been able to do so as he pleased...... that is.... until someone with a gun showed up, which is exactly when it stopped.
Well as long as we are dealing with hypothetical scenarios, how about the scenario where these two guys simply walked up to him on that street and shot him in the head. One guy did have a revolver right? You can't just pick the situations where guns could have helped and make a conclusion about the validity of gun laws for a country, you also have to consider the situations where they cause more damage or wouldn't have helped.
Well, if you want the hypothetical to be in this situation - the guy with the revolver did attempt to fire it at the cops. Reports are that it was rusty and blew up in his hand, destroying one of his fingers. So, if they had tried to shoot the guy first, he might still be alive.
That's not what you want to hear, but we can't always get what we want.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
My whole point is that these hypothetical scenarios, whether I like them or not, are pointless. You can invent hypotheticals that support your view (which you have done here) just as I can invent them to support the opposite view. It's all just mental masturbation and isn't particularly helpful for determining the validity of gun laws.
But you can cherry pick the crimes committed with guns???????????
If guns are evil and cant be controlled by their owner, then police, military ect should not have guns. If a gun is just a tool and only does what it's told.... sweet.... no reason i cant have one.
I cherry picked with the stated intent to show that it is not a valid way to make a policy decision. That was the whole point. Guns are only tools (albeit powerful and dangerous ones) and are sometimes controlled properly and sometimes not. That is why the ideological debate over guns goes nowhere. Don't base gun policy on cherry picked anecdotes, particularly hypothetical ones. I don't care which side of the issue you are on.
Trying to turn this incident into a discussion on guns still doesn't make much sense to me either. If someone wants to have a gun debate, you can find a lot better conversation starters than a knifing incident in London.
Maybe a clearer way to state this is:
Sandy Hook doesn't mean we should ban guns
This murder in London doesn't mean Britain should allow guns
I agree with both statements.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Is the right to defend yourself being stripped now?
When did this happen?
If that chicago thug you voted for got what he wanted. Thankfully we have organizations like the NRA defending our rights. Thankfully congress shoots down everything this clown wants to do.
What Chicago thug did I vote for? I didn't vote for any Chicago thug
Dont anybody start stereotyping these people though.... wouldnt want to offend anyone or hurt any feelings....
Profiling someone for what they believe in based on the sign they're holding?Dont anybody start stereotyping these people though.... wouldnt want to offend anyone or hurt any feelings....
Maybe Sinfix can read.
UK Islamist Leader: Islam Will Dominate America - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
"I am convinced, I am 100 percent certain that the sharia will be implemented in America and in Britain one day. The question is, 'when?' and how it will come to fruition." - Anjem Choudary
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/wo...tain.html?_r=0
Muslims who called British soldiers 'rapists', 'cowards' and 'scum' were exercising freedom of speech, court hears | Mail Online
It's not profiling when they proclaim it themselves. I don't think that you know what profiling is.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
LOL. Ahh. The irony.
Or to put it bluntly: "It's not profiling when its something I'm scared of."
I know what profiling is. It's pretty clear that you might not.
You always claim you know everything, but again and again, you show that you do not.
Reality is this simple - the group of radical Muslims in the photo in the UK stated exactly what they meant. It is not a hidden agenda, and in this case, the photo explains their exact position. You can try to claim that people are targeting them, or extrapolating truths if you like, but you will be wrong. Take their message at face value - just as they have stated it - and that is not profiling - it is a clear statement of belief, not needing any additional analysis.
We all know that the majority of Muslims are not radicals like this particular group in the photo. Most of us here seem to realize that there are radicals though that mean to implement their will upon the rest of us - except you who seems unable to comprehend this simple concept.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Here is my feeling towards the matter.
An unknown % of muslims are extreme radical terrorists that are so hell bent on causing havoc that they will gladly end their own life just to do harm to another.
This truth is undeniable. It's not hidden, it's not a conspiracy.... it's as true as the sun coming up tomorrow.
However large or small you feel this % of radical muslims may be.... they have accounted for 1000s of american deaths. They do it boldly and in plane view as an act of war.
My guard is up with muslims.
Radical Christians (or any other group - not necessarily religious) can be just as dangerous as Muslims.
If your guard is always up, you will never have the opportunity to show others that we can live peacefully, and have tolerance for others.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
And in the period of time when christians appeared to be on a course of world domination, i would have treated them with equal reservations. Anyone who is offended by my caution enough to prevent us from "living peacefully", i have no desire to live peaceful with. I have tolerance for everyone.... i dont project my inner feelings on everyone i come in contact with, i just chose to be honest about how i feel here. I'm not walking the street pointing my finger at muslims..... but i am internally cautious around anyone i feel deserves that recognition.
I honestly do not think it's humanly possible for you to be a bigger douche.
In addition to that..... our principles as a country is why we allow muslims to come here, even though there is clearly a recognized danger of doing so. Collectively, we feel it's the right thing to do. People are innocent until proven guilty, regardless of their religion. People have freedom, regardless of their religion or background.
Freedom is and always has been dangerous. As long as this danger is present, americans should not only be allowed.... but be encouraged to own guns.
When the danger of freedom is ever taken away...... well that's the original reason to own a gun.
So raise a drink to the dangerous united states of america.... and make sure it always stays that way.
I apply the same rule to everyone...... one night i was coming home late and a cop turned his light on me on a back road, i put my flashers on, slowed down and drove about 5 miles to the nearest gas station to pull over. By the time i got to the gas station i had 3 cars behind me. The cops probably would have approached my car guns drawn, but since i always do the right hand up, left hand out the window thing, they approached somewhat normal. It also helped that i had a puppy sitting in my lap. Cop walks up and says "why didnt you stop man, we thought you were gonna run"
I said to the cop " i dont trust you anymore than you trust me, i feel safer stopping in a well lit area"
cop originally was stopping me for doing 50 in a 35, they talked to me for a minute, pet my puppy, commended me on my stopping etiquette and sent me on my way with no ticket.
the type of cop that is the reason i do not trust cops would have been offended by my actions. If you're offended by my caution, that makes me even more cautious.
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Do you think that your life is better with an isolationist ideology?
I can say this - if I had your outlook, I would not have my wife, kids, job, friends, or toys. All of these came from expressly embracing other cultures and viewpoints.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
It's not isolationism..... i dont avoid anyone or any activity. I just chose to be more aware of dangers. I'm OCD about being aware of my surroundings. It's not something you would notice or something i bring to anyone's attention in public. I can be sitting at a bar drinking and laughing and i just subconsciously make a note of where exits are, if someone has their hands in their pockets or is reaching for something, if someone is eyeballing someone... just any little thing like that i observe and think about. I do it every day at every place i go.
Lets say i'm jogging at the park and 5 black guys are walking in my path towards me. in my mind i start scanning the scenario, are they wearing sportswear? do they look like they belong in the area, is anyone of them paying too much attention to me, do they look like they have anything in their pockets, anyone reaching in their pockets, are they talking to each other, do they look like theyre going to speak to me... ect ect....
My reaction to that situation might be as simple as moving to the side of the path or saying something to them before theyre close to me like "hey guys, hows it goin" then based on their response i might re-evaluate again. Did they notice me moving to the side of the path, if so did they adjust their path, when i spoke out did they react in an unusual way....
This is just how my mind works. I cant turn it off. I dont isolate myself from any group of people or activity. I go to inner city parks and play basketball, go to the riverwalk, camp grounds or anywhere else i want to go.... i'm just always "aware" of what's around me. Some things get my attention more than others.
One of these people alarms me more than the other. If that's wrong, i dont want to be right.
Obviously, the black guy is no one to worry about. He is a "Genius", and has been gracious enough to tattoo it on his forehead so that people with lesser intellects will realize it and not be afraid of him just because he is black.One of these people alarms me more than the other. If that's wrong, i dont want to be right.
The woman with the baby is the one that you should be concerned about. She will divorce you and take more than half your stuff.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
My question is, how does your distrust of Muslims manifest itself? A cop has authority over you in certain situations (e.g., pulling you over) so I understand that scenario. But given that being Muslim doesn't give them any authority over you, what actions do you take based on your fear? Do you think your fear is justified given the miniscule probability of you being the victim of a radical muslim's attack? Do you treat other threats with similar likelihoods the same way?
Good questions.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I think i answered this question before i realized you asked it. If not, i will reiterate.
It isn't. Nor is it up for legislation.
So, since christians have also committed atrocities against people, based on your logic, its logical and normal for me to be suspicious of anyone who looks like a Protestant Christian? Anyone who looks white with brown or blonde hair? Should I be at a heightened level of awareness when around them?
How do you figure this?Saying i cant have my choice of self defense is legislating my right to self defense away.
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