British soldier hacked to death after being run over with car

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You shouldn't assume anything because not only can you not distinguish the good from the bad but you admitted you can't distinguish muslim from non-muslim so it's illogical that you say it is a factor you consider at all. It's like a blind person saying they are suspicious of blonde people. Not one of the terrorists who carried out an attack in the US was wearing muslim clothing when they committed their crime and some of them were not middle eastern looking so it is illogical to use that as evidence of a threat. I don't see a logical reason to assume middle eastern looking people are any more of a threat than any other kind of person and as far as I can tell.

If i dont know the difference between a harmless sand shark and a tiger shark, that is not reason for me to believe sharks are harmless. When dealing with the unknown or undecided, i do not lean towards expecting the best scenario. The risk of assuming the best is often a lot more severe than assuming the worst. Wearing a "fuck the police" shirt and having "gangster" tattooed on your forehead doesnt make you any more dangerous either.... but i am free to draw my own conclusions when confronted by a person who fits that description. I am saying this as a person covered in tattoos who might actually wear the "fuck the police" shirt....

I don't care if you hurt their feelings either. You're right that being aware of the risk doesn't mean you exaggerate it. But assessing risk based on characteristics that are not significantly correlated with their danger to you is.

Radical muslims are significantly correlated with danger. Radical muslims openly express a desire to create chaos. I'm not making it up..... im taking their word for it. I cant tell the difference between a radical muslim and a peaceful muslim. I adjust my caution based on that understanding.

No, it is limiting one method of self defense but that is quite different than not being able to defend yourself. If someone punches you in the face, you can't say, "Well I don't have my gun so therefore I can't defend myself". Do your first amendment rights no longer exist because you can't commit libel?

So if i punch your grand mother in the face, she has adequate means of self defense since she has two arms the same as i do?? Humans do not rely on our physical ability in any aspect of life. What separates us from animals and puts us at the top of the food chain is our engineering ability. Stripping me of that engineering is the same as de-clawing a lion.... you are limiting my ability to defend myself. A guy i used to go to the gym with was a navy seal, boxer, just all around bad ass.... one day at the gym someone noticed that he had a gun in his gym bag when he was putting his clothes up. They asked him "why do you even bother carrying a gun, probably anybody you ever came in contact with you could just kick their ass" , the guy responded " i dont fight in the street, i fight for fun, it's a hobby... but when it comes to protecting myself or family, i carry a gun"

It's not for you decide how i should defend myself. I dont want to force anyone to carry a gun. If you're a "bad ass" and feel you dont need one... more power to you... i'll also decide how i chose to defend myself.

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If i dont know the difference between a harmless sand shark and a tiger shark, that is not reason for me to believe sharks are harmless. When dealing with the unknown or undecided, i do not lean towards expecting the best scenario. The risk of assuming the best is often a lot more severe than assuming the worst. Wearing a "fuck the police" shirt and having "gangster" tattooed on your forehead doesnt make you any more dangerous either.... but i am free to draw my own conclusions when confronted by a person who fits that description. I am saying this as a person covered in tattoos who might actually wear the "fuck the police" shirt....

Yes you are free to draw your own conclusions and I am not denying you that. I am just saying that you are about as likely to be harmed by a muslim as by anyone else so if you are more suspicious of people who look middle eastern than any other random person on the street, that is illogical. Can you be illogical? Sure! Just don't say your suspicion is based on a realistic threat assessment rather than some amorphous gut feeling.

Radical muslims are significantly correlated with danger. Radical muslims openly express a desire to create chaos. I'm not making it up..... im taking their word for it. I cant tell the difference between a radical muslim and a peaceful muslim. I adjust my caution based on that understanding.

And as soon as you can determine who is a radical muslim with any sort of reliability, I will support your increased suspicion.

So if i punch your grand mother in the face, she has adequate means of self defense since she has two arms the same as i do?? Humans do not rely on our physical ability in any aspect of life. What separates us from animals and puts us at the top of the food chain is our engineering ability. Stripping me of that engineering is the same as de-clawing a lion.... you are limiting my ability to defend myself.

It's not for you decide how i should defend myself. I dont want to force anyone to carry a gun. If you're a "bad ass" and feel you dont need one... more power to you... i'll also decide how i chose to defend myself.

Yes I agree, it is limiting your ability to defend yourself. "Limiting" is not synonymous with "taking away". There are still many "engineered" self defense solutions (mace, taser, knife, etc.) I understand you think your ability to decide how to defend yourself should be unlimited but unfortunately for you, most of our society does not agree.

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Yes you are free to draw your own conclusions and I am not denying you that. I am just saying that you are about as likely to be harmed by a muslim as by anyone else so if you are more suspicious of people who look middle eastern than any other random person on the street, that is illogical. Can you be illogical? Sure! Just don't say your suspicion is based on a realistic threat assessment rather than some amorphous gut feeling.

What's illogical is our government ignoring tips that radical muslims are plotting a terrorist attack on american soil while simultaneously feeling the need to circumvent the constitution to spy on the press because they feel our national security depends on it. As long as i know i our government rolls out the red carpet for any foreigner from any hostile conflict nation to come here and then turns them loose without giving them a 2nd glance, i will rely on my "amorphous gut feelings" with every single individual i come in contact with.

And as soon as you can determine who is a radical muslim with any sort of reliability, I will support your increased suspicion.

As soon as you can determine who isnt a radical muslim with any sort of reliability, i will support your lack of suspicion.

Yes I agree, it is limiting your ability to defend yourself. "Limiting" is not synonymous with "taking away". There are still many "engineered" self defense solutions (mace, taser, knife, etc.) I understand you think your ability to decide how to defend yourself should be unlimited but unfortunately for you, most of our society does not agree.

And you support the mob mentality that thinks the majority should be able to vote away the rights of the minority.


"The people will not understand the importance of the 2nd amendment until its too late"

Something Obama and every other liberal democrat understands..... once your right to defend yourself is gone, your right and ability to defend your rights in general is gone. Gun control is not and never was about guns.... its about control.

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What's illogical is our government ignoring tips that radical muslims are plotting a terrorist attack on american soil while simultaneously feeling the need to circumvent the constitution to spy on the press because they feel our national security depends on it. As long as i know i our government rolls out the red carpet for any foreigner from any hostile conflict nation to come here and then turns them loose without giving them a 2nd glance, i will rely on my "amorphous gut feelings" with every single individual i come in contact with.

Government policy is irrelevant to this discussion. As of now, terrorist attacks are just about the bottom of the list for ways you will die or become seriously injured. Be worried about them if you like, but I suggest you spend more mental energy on the hundreds of threats that pose a much more significant threat. Now government policy may lead to more attacks in the future, but for now, it's simply not a major issue for living your daily life.

As soon as you can determine who isnt a radical muslim with any sort of reliability, i will support your lack of suspicion.

Unfortunately your attempt to flip the script doesn't make much sense. Your saying I should assume everyone is a threat unless I'm sure they aren't. I would be constantly paranoid of everyone if I lived my life that way.

And you support the mob mentality that thinks the majority should be able to vote away the rights of the minority.

If you mean representative democracy, then yes I believe in it. The world is ruled by people, not your personal belief on rights. People will always determine which rights are upheld and which aren't. Whether it should be that way or not is irrelevant.

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Government policy is irrelevant to this discussion. As of now, terrorist attacks are just about the bottom of the list for ways you will die or become seriously injured. Be worried about them if you like, but I suggest you spend more mental energy on the hundreds of threats that pose a much more significant threat. Now government policy may lead to more attacks in the future, but for now, it's simply not a major issue for living your daily life.

Not an issue in anyone's daily life. Noted. And it is relevant to the discussion, knowing that our boarders are not secure is reason for me to be aware of possible dangers. That muslim sitting beside me on a bus might be Osama's uncle... idk...

Unfortunately your attempt to flip the script doesn't make much sense. Your saying I should assume everyone is a threat unless I'm sure they aren't. I would be constantly paranoid of everyone if I lived my life that way.

You exaggerate. Paying attention is not paranoia. Based on my surroundings, sometimes i pay more attention than others. Your belief to trust people and be optimistic is equally as unwarranted as my belief to be suspicious, yet you're presenting your opinion as a fact, which is most certainly is not.

If you mean representative democracy, then yes I believe in it. The world is ruled by people, not your personal belief on rights. People will always determine which rights are upheld and which aren't. Whether it should be that way or not is irrelevant.

Why the hell do we get our panties all in a bunch over slavery then..... It was just representative democracy at work. The majority wanted slaves and had them, who gives a shit about the rights of slaves.... the majority voted that they didnt have any. God bless america..... bet owning slaves was nice... wish i had someone to do my lawn for free. It was right because representative democracy decided it was.

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Not an issue in anyone's daily life. Noted. And it is relevant to the discussion, knowing that our boarders are not secure is reason for me to be aware of possible dangers. That muslim sitting beside me on a bus might be Osama's uncle... idk...

It's not an issue of whether it is possible for you to be a victim of such attacks. The issue is how much mental energy should you devote to it. Your worry should be commensurate with the risk. Just because the risk is greater than 0, doesn't mean it is significant. Mama Cass died choking on a ham sandwich but I don't raise my awareness when I sit down to eat Subway. Maybe this will help... what percentage of unnatural deaths are from terrorist attacks in the US each year? Do you worry about all the more likely causes at least as much if not more than you worry about terrorist attacks?

You exaggerate. Paying attention is not paranoia. Based on my surroundings, sometimes i pay more attention than others. Your belief to trust people and be optimistic is equally as unwarranted as my belief to be suspicious, yet you're presenting your opinion as a fact, which is most certainly is not.

Paying attention solely based on a belief that is not based on fact is paranoia. Again, I'm not saying you have to trust anyone, I'm just pointing out the illogical nature of your middle eastern mistrust. I would say people with gang tats are significantly more likely to commit violent crimes. People who won't stop staring at you as you walk down the street at night are also worthy of more suspicion. There are a lot of legitimate factors that you should be weary of, but simply being of middle eastern decent without any other warning signs just isn't worth worrying about.

Why the hell do we get our panties all in a bunch over slavery then..... It was just representative democracy at work. The majority wanted slaves and had them, who gives a shit about the rights of slaves.... the majority voted that they didnt have any. God bless america..... bet owning slaves was nice... wish i had someone to do my lawn for free. It was right because representative democracy decided it was.

Just because we believe in the system, doesn't mean we have to agree with everything that comes out of it. You can be a proponent of driving cars without condoning drunk driving. Think of representative democracy like a gun. It's just a tool. It can be used for good or for evil.

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It's not an issue of whether it is possible for you to be a victim of such attacks. The issue is how much mental energy should you devote to it. Your worry should be commensurate with the risk. Just because the risk is greater than 0, doesn't mean it is significant. Mama Cass died choking on a ham sandwich but I don't raise my awareness when I sit down to eat Subway. Maybe this will help... what percentage of unnatural deaths are from terrorist attacks in the US each year? Do you worry about all the more likely causes at least as much if not more than you worry about terrorist attacks?

How much "mental energy" used depends on the person. Some people cant walk and chew gun at the same time.... It's not a chore for me to evaluate situations or surroundings as they occur. I do think about chewing my sandwich when i eat it.... Just because i say i do something does not mean i am devoting a lot of time and effort to it. My routine feels natural to me.....

Paying attention solely based on a belief that is not based on fact is paranoia. Again, I'm not saying you have to trust anyone, I'm just pointing out the illogical nature of your middle eastern mistrust. I would say people with gang tats are significantly more likely to commit violent crimes. People who won't stop staring at you as you walk down the street at night are also worthy of more suspicion. There are a lot of legitimate factors that you should be weary of, but simply being of middle eastern decent without any other warning signs just isn't worth worrying about.

It's not based solely on their belief. I am "weary" of all factors, this is just another one on my list. If i see someone who sticks out for whatever reason, be it their ethnicity, choice of clothing, their accent or language... ect ect... i will give them a second glance. If no other red flags appear, on to the next one. Takes all of 2 seconds in my mind, nothing you would ever notice. If a middle eastern man walks into a gas station with a tense posture and sets down a backpack and walks out... i'm going to notice that. It doesnt mean i'm going to follow him around the candy isle making sure he isnt up to no good. It's just heightened awareness in general...

Think of representative democracy like a gun. It's just a tool. It can be used for good or for evil.

Indeed.