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[Vteckidd]

Rich doctors is what makes them great.

Personal wealth is what drives people to be the best at what they do. If you take that away, then theres no incentive to achieve.

If I told you tomorrow that your job is now getting a 20% paycut, and everyone, from the CEO to the high school intern is going to be paid the same amount of money, minimum wage, then you would be furious. You worked hard to get where you are , achieve your position. Why should you take a paycut?

What makes you think thats any different when its gets to someone making millions of dollars a year.

Its easy to say "they have too much" because you make 1/1000th their income. Im not in favor of rich people telling poor people how to live, or vice versa

[bu villain]

Rich doctors is what makes them great.

Personal wealth is what drives people to be the best at what they do. If you take that away, then theres no incentive to achieve.

Do you really believe that? If you ask the best scientist, athletes, CEOs, etc what motivated them to achieve greatness, what percent of them do you think would answer "money"? In my experience, the ones who are in a profession only for the money, often are either really bad at their job or don't last long enough to become great.

[Vteckidd]

Do you really believe that? If you ask the best scientist, athletes, CEOs, etc what motivated them to achieve greatness, what percent of them do you think would answer "money"? In my experience, the ones who are in a profession only for the money, often are either really bad at their job or don't last long enough to become great.

LOL pull your head out of the sand.

99% of people make choices based upon INCOME.

The best Athletes ALWAYS MAKE $$$$$$$

You think James Harden wanted to make less money? FUCK NO, HE WANTED A MAX CONTRACT, OKC said SEEYA.

Lebron went to Miami becaues FL has no Income tax and he would get more endorsement money in a bigger market=$$$$$$

Albert Pujols left St Louis to go MAKE DAT MONAY

Doctors are noble people, but you are completely ignoring the costs associated with being great. Doctors make lots of money FOR A REASON.

You know why im in IT? Its not because i love it, its because it fucking pays and affords me the opportunity to go do WHAT I LOVE (vacations, sporting events, etc).

Blank is saying well, that doctor can only have 9 ferraris instead of 10 so "X" can have health insurance. Its a retarded statement, its complete BS, and its stereotyping people he has no idea what they had to do to ge tin their position.

Do you think the best heart surgeon in the world just woke up 1 day and said "yeah, today ill be a millionaire".

[bu villain]

LOL pull your head out of the sand.

99% of people make choices based upon INCOME.

The best Athletes ALWAYS MAKE $$$$$$$

You think James Harden wanted to make less money? FUCK NO, HE WANTED A MAX CONTRACT, OKC said SEEYA.

Lebron went to Miami becaues FL has no Income tax and he would get more endorsement money in a bigger market=$$$$$$

Albert Pujols left St Louis to go MAKE DAT MONAY

Doctors are noble people, but you are completely ignoring the costs associated with being great. Doctors make lots of money FOR A REASON.

You know why im in IT? Its not because i love it, its because it fucking pays and affords me the opportunity to go do WHAT I LOVE (vacations, sporting events, etc).

Blank is saying well, that doctor can only have 9 ferraris instead of 10 so "X" can have health insurance. Its a retarded statement, its complete BS, and its stereotyping people he has no idea what they had to do to ge tin their position.

Do you think the best heart surgeon in the world just woke up 1 day and said "yeah, today ill be a millionaire".

First of all, I never said doctors shouldn't be well compensated. I was only replying to your comment that money is the motivator for greatness and that being rich is actually the cause of greatness. You think Lebron would have been a heart surgeon if he was only paid 300k a year to play basketball? Did you choose IT because you couldn't possibly make more money anywhere else? Everyone wants to be paid as much as they can but to ignore all the other factors in the equation is absurd. People often choose passion, lifestyle, family, location, etc over a bigger paycheck. People who would still do what they do even if they weren't paid are the usually the ones who become great, not the ones who would ditch their work the minute they found something that paid better.

I don't care what blank said. I was replying to one specific part of your post, not his.

[Vteckidd]

People who would still do what they do even if they weren't paid are the usually the ones who become great, not the ones who would ditch their work the minute they found something that paid better.

makes for a great movie, but its simply not true. People want nice things, they want to leave wealth for their kids, go on vacations, own a home, etc. Money drives our ENTIRE SOCIETY. You are compensated for how well you do in life i mean its not even debatable.

Ok, why is it:
The best athlete in basketball is paid the most?
The best Heart surgeon is paid the most?
The best Neurosurgeon in the world is paid the most?
The best salesmen at a company makes the most?
The best coach in the NBA gets paid the most ?
The best QB gets paid the most money? (Ok bad example, but generally speaking its true)

How good you are directly relates to your compensation.

You cannot lower wages and expect the same talent. NOT POSSIBLE. And why does someone with as little medical background as Blank, or any liberal not in the field, think they know what doctors should make?

[bu villain]

makes for a great movie, but its simply not true. People want nice things, they want to leave wealth for their kids, go on vacations, own a home, etc. Money drives our ENTIRE SOCIETY. You are compensated for how well you do in life i mean its not even debatable.

Your whole argument is a tautology. Of course money is a factor in how people live their lives but it is not the ONLY factor. That is my only message. Your last statement is quite debatable. I do not think the creators of angry birds are necessarily living a better life (ie, more valuable to society, admirable, etc) than a humble priest just because they get paid a hell of a lot more. Your view fits perfectly into an economist's capitalistic model but fails to recognize the real world factors such as the irrationality of individuals and difference in personal values.

Ok, why is it:
The best athlete in basketball is paid the most?
The best Heart surgeon is paid the most?
The best Neurosurgeon in the world is paid the most?
The best salesmen at a company makes the most?
The best coach in the NBA gets paid the most ?
The best QB gets paid the most money? (Ok bad example, but generally speaking its true)

How good you are directly relates to your compensation.

I wasn't arguing with you that highly skilled people usually are paid better. I was arguing that the opposite is not true. That is, getting paid a lot does not make you more skilled. Logically speaking you are saying if X then Y. That doesn't mean if Y then X. Causation vs correlation.

[David88vert]

I do not think the creators of angry birds are necessarily living a better life (ie, more valuable to society, admirable, etc) than a humble priest just because they get paid a hell of a lot more.

The government would say that the creators of Angry Birds are worth more to the government. They get lots of tax revenue off them, but nothing from the tax-exempt priests.

Atheists probably think that the game creators are worth more as well.

People of the priest's faith probably value the priests more, but their kids probably value the game creators more.

Point is - people value what is more closely related to their day to day lives, and we are all different in our values. Even though all life should be valued the same, it rarely is.

[Vteckidd]

FYI , the AVERAGE Heart surgeon makes in the $500,000 range, Neuro Science is the top field where the median income is $700K (NOT millionaires.)

Average cost for a Heart Surgeon?

in 2009, graduates from medical school programs had accumulated an average debt of $156,456, according to the American Medical Association.

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Then you have residency which :

The residency must last at least six years and include 24 months of training in performing thoracic procedures, including heart surgery. Heart surgeons also gain experience performing general surgical operations during the course of the residency.

FYI during that period, most residents are paid between 20-50K a year, sometimes meals are provided.

then:

After completing the mandatory residency, prospective heart surgeons must gain certification from the American Board of Thoracic Surgery. This requires passing a two-part examination. The first part consists of 250 multiple-choice questions. Lasting up to 5 1/2 hours, the test is given by computer at Pearson Vue Testing Centers throughout the United States. The second part of the examination is an oral test, during which prospective thoracic surgeons undergo three interviews regarding patient case histories. The test is given once per year and requires physicians to travel to Chicago, Illinois. After passing both exams, physicians receive board certification. As of 2011, the cost to take the written and oral exams was $1,225 and $1,500, respectively.

Thats right, after medical school and residency for 6 fucking years, you get to take a test to become certified in your field.

Call me crazy, but after all that, i think the guy should be able to afford 10 Ferraris if he makes that kind of money in his own practice.

The poor person you are upset over not having insurance, has fuck all to do with this doctor making that kind of money. Thats like being mad at the guy that owns a Dealership because you dont own a Ferrari