Union pulls support for Obamacare, a sign of things to come?

[bu villain]

LOL pull your head out of the sand.

99% of people make choices based upon INCOME.

The best Athletes ALWAYS MAKE $$$$$$$

You think James Harden wanted to make less money? FUCK NO, HE WANTED A MAX CONTRACT, OKC said SEEYA.

Lebron went to Miami becaues FL has no Income tax and he would get more endorsement money in a bigger market=$$$$$$

Albert Pujols left St Louis to go MAKE DAT MONAY

Doctors are noble people, but you are completely ignoring the costs associated with being great. Doctors make lots of money FOR A REASON.

You know why im in IT? Its not because i love it, its because it fucking pays and affords me the opportunity to go do WHAT I LOVE (vacations, sporting events, etc).

Blank is saying well, that doctor can only have 9 ferraris instead of 10 so "X" can have health insurance. Its a retarded statement, its complete BS, and its stereotyping people he has no idea what they had to do to ge tin their position.

Do you think the best heart surgeon in the world just woke up 1 day and said "yeah, today ill be a millionaire".

First of all, I never said doctors shouldn't be well compensated. I was only replying to your comment that money is the motivator for greatness and that being rich is actually the cause of greatness. You think Lebron would have been a heart surgeon if he was only paid 300k a year to play basketball? Did you choose IT because you couldn't possibly make more money anywhere else? Everyone wants to be paid as much as they can but to ignore all the other factors in the equation is absurd. People often choose passion, lifestyle, family, location, etc over a bigger paycheck. People who would still do what they do even if they weren't paid are the usually the ones who become great, not the ones who would ditch their work the minute they found something that paid better.

I don't care what blank said. I was replying to one specific part of your post, not his.

[Vteckidd]

People who would still do what they do even if they weren't paid are the usually the ones who become great, not the ones who would ditch their work the minute they found something that paid better.

makes for a great movie, but its simply not true. People want nice things, they want to leave wealth for their kids, go on vacations, own a home, etc. Money drives our ENTIRE SOCIETY. You are compensated for how well you do in life i mean its not even debatable.

Ok, why is it:
The best athlete in basketball is paid the most?
The best Heart surgeon is paid the most?
The best Neurosurgeon in the world is paid the most?
The best salesmen at a company makes the most?
The best coach in the NBA gets paid the most ?
The best QB gets paid the most money? (Ok bad example, but generally speaking its true)

How good you are directly relates to your compensation.

You cannot lower wages and expect the same talent. NOT POSSIBLE. And why does someone with as little medical background as Blank, or any liberal not in the field, think they know what doctors should make?

[bu villain]

makes for a great movie, but its simply not true. People want nice things, they want to leave wealth for their kids, go on vacations, own a home, etc. Money drives our ENTIRE SOCIETY. You are compensated for how well you do in life i mean its not even debatable.

Your whole argument is a tautology. Of course money is a factor in how people live their lives but it is not the ONLY factor. That is my only message. Your last statement is quite debatable. I do not think the creators of angry birds are necessarily living a better life (ie, more valuable to society, admirable, etc) than a humble priest just because they get paid a hell of a lot more. Your view fits perfectly into an economist's capitalistic model but fails to recognize the real world factors such as the irrationality of individuals and difference in personal values.

Ok, why is it:
The best athlete in basketball is paid the most?
The best Heart surgeon is paid the most?
The best Neurosurgeon in the world is paid the most?
The best salesmen at a company makes the most?
The best coach in the NBA gets paid the most ?
The best QB gets paid the most money? (Ok bad example, but generally speaking its true)

How good you are directly relates to your compensation.

I wasn't arguing with you that highly skilled people usually are paid better. I was arguing that the opposite is not true. That is, getting paid a lot does not make you more skilled. Logically speaking you are saying if X then Y. That doesn't mean if Y then X. Causation vs correlation.

[David88vert]

I do not think the creators of angry birds are necessarily living a better life (ie, more valuable to society, admirable, etc) than a humble priest just because they get paid a hell of a lot more.

The government would say that the creators of Angry Birds are worth more to the government. They get lots of tax revenue off them, but nothing from the tax-exempt priests.

Atheists probably think that the game creators are worth more as well.

People of the priest's faith probably value the priests more, but their kids probably value the game creators more.

Point is - people value what is more closely related to their day to day lives, and we are all different in our values. Even though all life should be valued the same, it rarely is.

[bu villain]

The government would say that the creators of Angry Birds are worth more to the government. They get lots of tax revenue off them, but nothing from the tax-exempt priests.

Atheists probably think that the game creators are worth more as well.

People of the priest's faith probably value the priests more, but their kids probably value the game creators more.

Point is - people value what is more closely related to their day to day lives, and we are all different in our values. Even though all life should be valued the same, it rarely is.

Exactly, but Vteck seems to be stating that economic value is the only factor that people consider in their choices and that it is the single metric we should judge value by.

[Vteckidd]

Exactly, but Vteck seems to be stating that economic value is the only factor that people consider in their choices and that it is the single metric we should judge value by.

no, im saying that is the most important metric people operate by when considering their choices, and is the largest metric we should judge value by.

Do you want a nation of people who strive to be MCEEDEES workers, or MILLIONAIRES?

Simple answer, if you were offered the SAME JOB you have now, making $20k a year more, but you had to work with an asshole boss, would you do it? 9/10 would. Wonder why? Wheres their nobility?

"Honor is in the dollar kid"

[bu villain]

Im not arguing that there arent doctors out there who LOVE to get paid $30k a year and just help children in need. But thats not the NORM. Its noble, but its not indicative of our society as a whole.

Those aren't the only two possibilities though. There are all sorts of shades of grey. There are tons of doctors who accept $170k instead of $190k because they want to work in Atlanta instead of NYC, or because they want to treat children instead of the elderly, or because they want to perform life saving operations and not cosmetic operations.

no, im saying that is the most important metric people operate by when considering their choices, and is the largest metric we should judge value by.

Even if I agreed, I don't think it's like 90%money/10% everything else, it's probably more like 40%money/20%work environment/20%location/20%everything else. Value is a much more personal thing so I don't think you can make such a broad generalization about it. Some people value money very little, others quite a bit.

Do you want a nation of people who strive to be MCEEDEES workers, or MILLIONAIRES?

Doesn't matter what I want. People decide for themselves what they want to strive for.

Simple answer, if you were offered the SAME JOB you have now, making $20k a year more, but you had to work with an asshole boss, would you do it? 9/10 would. Wonder why? Wheres their nobility?

I guess I am in the 10% then because I certainly wouldn't. I also think there would be a lot more than 10% who would agree with me. Also the 20k is an arbitrary number. Certainly a large number of people wouldn't make that deal if their salary only increased 1 or 2%.