Definitely more, but they don't pretend that it isn't part of their focus. I mean, it's in their name so they aren't exactly saying "We just don't ignore race".Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Definitely more, but they don't pretend that it isn't part of their focus. I mean, it's in their name so they aren't exactly saying "We just don't ignore race".
So it's ok for organizations to form and operate for the sole purpose of representing race, yet it's racist for me to acknowledge race as an identifiable trait and make note of statistical anomalies that i find when observing various racial groups?
If given the opportunity, would you tell the NAACP "you focus on race too much" ?
Again, I never called you racist but I will answer the rest of the question. The fact is, racism has had major effects particularly against blacks in this country. Organization is a way to combat that and hopefully in time, the need for such an organization will diminish to the point where it will no longer exist. Further, the stated goal of the NAACP is for "advancing" a group of people, not diminishing others. They are not anti-white or against any other race. Their focus is positive in nature, whereas your focus on the black race is exclusively negative.
I wouldn't tell them "they focus on race too much" because that is the entire purpose of the organization so it wouldn't make sense. That's like telling the NBA they focus too much on basketball. Organizations are not the same as individuals. However, at some point in the future I may say "society has reached a state that your organization is no longer needed" and hopefully by then, they will agree.
The NAACP will never cease to exist because their motive runs deeper than equality for black people, something they already have. If you think a day will ever come that the NAACP will say "well, our work is done", then you are highly optimistic. Society has already reached a point where this organization is no longer needed, yet here they stand. What more proof do you need that the world is an open book to everyone of every color? A black man can be anything he wants in this country. We just elected a black man president who wasnt even fit for the job. What more proof do you need?
My focus on the black community is not negative. I have explained this..... remember..... we both want a "garden", i simply believe it's more important to "pick the weeds" first. Gangs and gang violence is a huge problem in the black community. I blame this partly on feeling segregated from society, but the thing is.... groups like the NAACP and BPP are the driving force behind this segregation. These groups deliver a message that "there's us and then there's them". These organizations create the need for themselves. They are the reason they need to exist.
I think if you "pluck the weeds" from the black community (every community, but since we're currently talking about black people) and remove these crutch groups who promote racial segregation, people will be just fine. America didnt become the nation it is because we had someone coddling us and holding our hand every step of the way...... What i offer black people is what you've always asked for.... equality. Not a head start, not a handicap, not a crutch.... no pity, no shame, no indifference..... equality... in its simplest and purest form. You are equal to me..... so STFU, quit being a pussy.... fix your own shit and live your life.
Although not everyone believes that one individual who is half black becoming president means that racism is no longer a significant factor in our country. In your opinion it does. So be it. This really isn't about the NAACP though. It's about the content of your posts that focus on black people.
Please link me to some threads you have created that show black people in a positive light. I can find plenty that do the opposite. That's where I am getting the negative vibe from. As far as the garden goes, why should the race of the "weeds" matter? I don't see you discussing the white "weeds", asian "weeds", or latino "weeds".
The implication here is that most black people want a handicap, a crutch, and your pity.
If you are in favor of affirmative action, you are in favor of a crutch.
If you are white and believe in AA, you truely believe blacks cannot stand on their own and they need help to succeed.
That's only true if you believe the world is a true meritocracy and racial discrimination is not a factor. I don't believe we live in a meritocracy all the time and there is discrimination and yet I still do not support affirmative action. That being said, it's not because it is necessarily a crutch, it's just too blunt an instrument and sows the seeds of discord along racial lines.
Black people are the "problem child" in america..... what about this is hard to understand?? It's pretty alarming to recognize to the impact that 15% of the population has on our crime rate. The NAACP is just an example of a commonly accepted group that drives racial segregation. The driving force behind black people being "black people" and not "people" is.... well, black people. You cant ask to have all of your accomplishments have a "black asterick" beside them and then complain when people do the same with your negatives.
why should race matter? you tell me??????? i'm the one questioning the existence of all the "blacks only" organizations. I'm asking the same question..... when you find the answer, let me know.
The NAACP does..... dont see anybody complaining about their representation.
The issue is you don't see the hypocrisy when you engage in the same "asterisk" designation that you rail against. Or maybe you believe two wrongs make a right. I'm not really sure. Plus, your posts are usually hostile towards blacks so your new found concern with black communities' self imposed segregation now seems feigned. Your position comes off similar to a wife beater, "I only hit you because I love you."
You are changing the topic. My beef was never you questioning something a black person or group does in general, it was the frequency with which you do it compared to all other racial groups. Not long ago you started a thread with an article about a white group but you didn't do it to discuss the white group in question, you did it so you could segue into black groups. It's your continuous steering of any discussion into a discussion on blacks which is what I "chose not to ignore".
The NAACP is not synonymous with all black people and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't describe themselves as asking for a crutch, a handicap, or your pity. We can discuss individual actions by the NAACP and I may even agree with you on some but I don't believe that is the goal of the group on whole.
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