If we are to go on history, that previous assault weapons ban did not make any meaningful impact on crime, nor did it keep assault weapons out of the hands of criminals. So what would be different this time around?Originally Posted by .blank cd
If we are to go on history, that previous assault weapons ban did not make any meaningful impact on crime, nor did it keep assault weapons out of the hands of criminals. So what would be different this time around?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
But how do you use the three shells?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Two are used like chopsticks to "remove" waste and the third is used to "scrape" away the rest.
No mention is made on how they are sanitized.
What's scary is that you know how to use them....
blank, can we get the three shells banned now, as a proactive measure?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
A felon could not realize he's not allowed to purchase a gun. It's possible. But then its also possible he could withhold that information, is it not?
Can someone convicted of drunk driving and had their license revoked, still get behind the wheel of a car?
We should pass a law to prevent that.
A felon is notified multiple times when he is being placed on probation or parole that he no longer is allowed to purchase, own, or possess a firearm. They give a felon a clear message in abundance.
Also, ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse.
If the felon withholds the information, then the felon has committed the crime, not the seller. The felon should be prosecuted. The seller should not be prosecuted for something that he has no responsibility to know. That's common sense.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I'm not against a registry.
So, you think that giving the federal government a national registry of all firearms does not have significant potential to give the federal government an incentive to abuse their power in the future? I'm glad you weren't one of our founding fathers - you do not appear to have the foresight that they did.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Did it have an impact on the demand for assault weapons?
Only on law abiding citizens. Is that who we need to target? Are those people a threat? If so, who are they a threat to?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Got any ideas?
We could install breathalyzers in everyone's car regardless of whether they've ever drank a drop in their life or not.
It's for the greater good.
blank is probably for that. He doesn't seem to think freedom is very important.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
BAN ALL CARS!!!!
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
No need. All that's required is some form of a BAC test along with a retinal scan of the driver (to determine the sober person isn't just blowing into the machine) uploaded via nationwide public WiFi (of course this will need funding) to a government database so they can approve the request for the car to start.
Nobody is trying to take your right to drive a car away.
So if the felon withholds that information to buy a gun, and the moment the exchange happens, it's a crime on the buyer, how is the arrest made? How is it prosecuted?
Whenever the felon is stopped and the officers find his weapons, or when someone knows that he has a weapon, and turns him in. It happens all the time.
Why should the seller be responsible for information withheld from him?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Or I have more insight, since I obviously live in a different time.
Just like I believe the government isn't coming for my registered Honda Civic, I'm pretty sure they're not coming for my Glock. There's no motive or incentive for them to come for either.
You are not more intelligent that the founding fathers. Not even remotely. You are arrogant with absolutely no reason to be.
You have a Glock? We're going to need you to turn that in. They are used in far more murders than assault weapons.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Were these law abiding citizens suddenly unable to buy assault rifles? Or did they just not want the hassle of going through another background check and filling out another piece of paper?
They were unable to buy them once their local store ran out. Of course, the criminals had no problem obtaining them on the black market.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
So it takes a traffic stop, or someone to turn me in to get arrested for buying a gun illegally? I've been stopped one time in the past year, and that time the cop didnt even ask me if I had any weapons.
So if I buy a gun from you as a felon and commit that crime, then take that gun home, don't get stopped, and tuck it under my bed, how does the arrest happen in this case?
Not my problem, im not a cop. Innocent until proven guilty, when you find guilty parties.... deal with them accordingly. You dont impose punishment on everyone hoping that some of it reaches criminals.
If it stays under your bed, perhaps there will never be an arrest. In that case, you are not a threat to anyone.
If it comes out from under your bed, and you decide to use it illegally, I hope that a law abiding citizen or officer has their weapon and stops you quickly. I certainly wouldn't want their firearm of choice to be removed from their use, and them be unable to resist.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
So they were able to buy them until the supply was too low?
You chasing a point that doesnt even matter.........................
In some places, people snatched them up quickly prior to the ban being implemented, leaving some stores out of stock even before the ban. That only limited legal buyers from access though. Is that who you want to have be without assault weapons, and leave them in the hands of criminals?
Got to go for now.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
So what you both are getting at, is that a background check for a private sale is a punishment for the seller, regardless if its the responsibility of the buyer to obtain it?
Wut?
I probably wouldnt call it punishment..... its a government overreach. It serves little to no purpose and has misguided intent. Background checks will have no effect on criminals. We have car registration and that doesnt stop criminals from stealing and transporting cars. The left wants a gun free america, this is just one step towards that goal. Theyre dishonest about their agenda and it's insulting to anyone with half a brain to watch them parade around with a pocket full of caskets on their campaign trail.
Let me put it to you this way.
If you sell a car to someone that does not have a drivers license, and they pull out into the road, floor it, and hit and kill someone, should you be held liable for their actions, since you did not verify that they were allowed to take the car into the road?
Here's a hint - our legal system says that you are not liable for their actions.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Why do you believe it has misguided intent? The intent is to stop the felon from defrauding a legitimate seller to take possession of a weapon before it happens. Would such a system not prevent this? I'm not asking if they're gonna find other methods of obtaining a weapon.
Would a required background check for private sales prevent me, a felon, from withholding information from you to buy a gun from you, the non-felon seller, Yes or no?
Wait a minute. You just talked about having a Glock, and now you say that you are a felon? I think that we need to report you ASAP to the authorities.
J/K
Would you propose that sellers that do not obtain a background check prior to selling a firearm in a private transaction be criminalized, and be legally punishable?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
The intent is to chip away at guns rights via any measure deemed publicly acceptable.
If they truly cared about both gun rights and safety, they would find a way to accommodate both. Theyre not..... theyre seeking to remove gun rights under the guise of safety.
Make felons register themselves as felons. What a law abiding citizen does or owns is none of your business. List "prohibited from firearms" on a person's drivers license, then encourage gun owners to use that information when determining a sell. The left already says "90% of gun owners support X__________", then they clearly think that 90% of gun owners are responsible.... give us the tools to make responsible decisions regarding gun sales.
I will not register my guns, i will not observe any law prohibiting guns
In keeping your analogy consistent, are felons allowed to have cars? And is it legal to sell a gun to someone without a concealed carry permit? This information is important, as I want to answer your question as accurate as possible.
I didn't ask the other questions. Just answer what I asked. One step at a time. We are simply asking if you do not check their license, should you be responsible for the buyers criminal behavior.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
This government cant be trusted...... so forgive me im "up in arms" when they seek to take my "anti tyranny kit" away.
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Well, then its a false analogy, and a false choice has been presented.
If, however, its illegal for a felon to own a car, and I sell the felon that car and he goes and kills someone with it, then yes, I should be legally culpable.
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