I totally agree that you can be against (most) abortion and very intelligent but unfortunately intellect is not driving much of the discussions on the topic.
I totally agree that you can be against (most) abortion and very intelligent but unfortunately intellect is not driving much of the discussions on the topic.
I wish you did.... but unfortunately you seem to lack the mental capacity to review any ideology that doesnt fall inline with your conjured reality.Originally Posted by .blank cd
A fetus has the ability to live outside of its host weeks before it is full term....
Once the baby is separated from the umbilical cord, the mother is no longer a "host"A three week old infant does not have the ability to feed itself, and will die if left alone, so should that be considered "ok to kill"?
Tell that to your pal..... he's the one spouting bumper sticker rhetoric about abortion.
There may be some people who believe that but I think the most common definition of "able to live outside the mother" is closer to 24 weeks. The youngest premature child to survive was at about 22 weeks and that was considered miraculous.
Speaking of mental capacity, did you answer those questions yet? Or were they too difficult for you? Do you not like challenges to your belief system?
Ok blank listen up. I'm officially informing you that I believe people can be against (most) abortion and also intelligent. I don't recall you saying they couldn't be both but in case you did, consider yourself disagreed with.... pal!
PS. If you want, we can follow this up with 10 pages of insulting each other.
I dont think the law should cater to the incompetence of the individual. There's no reason someone should wait that long to decide to get an abortion. "i didnt know i was pregnant" should be looked upon the same way as "i didnt know what the speed limit was" or "i didnt know i couldnt drink this margarita while driving"
It's a different topic. I dont have to prove to you my opinion is correct for me to claim the right to have an opinion. Feel free to start a thread about the pros and cons of socialism. You're ok with the government forcing your beliefs on me, as long as it's your beliefs. If we were sitting here talking about the government forcing you to go to church and believe in jesus, somehow i feel the shoe would be on the other foot.
I dont support the government ruling over me regardless of the cause or it's merits.
If that is your position to also need to explain why someone shouldn't be able to wait that long either. Keep in mind not everyone agrees that fetuses that young have any rights.
Well, that's where we need to be directing this conversation as a whole, rather than it being a political punch line. The argument should be based 100% on at what point you believe a fetus is a living person with rights.
Blank believes it's a lifeless lump of tissue until the head pops out. That's fine.... we're all entitled to our opinion. Just own your beliefs and dont disguise them to make them more politically palatable.
The only "why" he seems interested in is that Obama is for it so it must be bad, so I'm going to oppose it. He refuses to understand his position because its a challenge to his belief system which he feels is me forcing my beliefs on him, which is why he immediately shut down when I asked him what socialism was. He doesn't know and doesn't want to know anything more than Breitbart.com tells him.
Which is assuming he's not a troll playing a caricature of a radically conservative position
He could prove me wrong and answer the questions I posed to him. It would blow me the fuck away. But he won't. The answers to those questions would bring about cognitive dissonance.
The irony of this post is overwhelming......................
The only reason i'm "shutting down" is because ive been sitting here trying to decide where i want to go eat for the last 45 minutes, thinking that any minute i am going to make a decision and leave.
You act as if i am someone who hides from my beliefs??? I am open and honest about everything i believe and have no problem stating my position.
It's you........ the "caricature liberal" that refuses to accept that anyone could possibly disagree with your superior wisdom.... oh what dysfunction they must have to not see things your way!
It still makes me giggle that you call me a conservative...................................... ................. maybe you need to be educated on your misuse of terms.
One of your core problems is that you believe that beliefs are something to be proven right or wrong. This is why you so often make the mistake of thinking that your beliefs are facts.
Start your socialism thread.... ask any question you wish. I'll gladly answer. Off to eat.
It will always be a political punchline because at its core, it is about philosophy and not fact. Sure you can present facts that support your personal philosophy but if you can't agree on the fundamental assumptions (e.g., fetuses deserve to live no matter what) then facts are irrelevant.
I don't get that view from him when reading his posts but I'll let him clarify his own beliefs.
I don't think beliefs are something to be proven wrong per say, but, if you tell me you believe 2+2=5, expect your belief to be critically scrutinized.
If you believe you're right, back it up. That's all I gotta say. You're within a discussion, what makes you think your beliefs aren't subject to scrutiny?
I don't think you're a conservative. I think you're more "liberal" than anyone on this site.It still makes me giggle that you call me a conservative...................................... ................. maybe you need to be educated on your misuse of terms.
Again..... you distort reality to suit your belief, it's the only thing you're capable of doing. It's how you function and get through life. You believe that your beliefs are "5" and they're not.
My belief system doesn't seek to prove your beliefs wrong or force my beliefs on you, i simply want the right to live my way and not be inhibited by you. Your belief system requires the acceptance of even those who chose not to accept. I've said this before...... pretty ironic for an atheist.
Scrutinizing beliefs is pointless..... On what grounds do you base your scrutiny??????? Can a christian tell you what is right and wrong based on their beliefs? based on their beliefs they can "prove" to you that theyre right. Based on your beliefs you can "prove" to them that you are also right..... what purpose does it serve???????
I dont seek to prove you wrong.... though it's often a effortless task, i seek to coexist with you, which isnt and will never be possible as long as your beliefs seek to legislate my life decisions.
You're contradicting yourself. oh wait..... i've already covered this previously..... you adjust "reality" as needed to suit your argument of the moment.
So, what you're saying is, your beliefs are your own and aren't subject to critical scrutiny. No matter what those beliefs are?
Why do we have freedom of religion? why dont we just get together, sort it out and decide which religion is right and then everyone be that religion? real question, why dont we do that?
Then what's the point of coming in here and discussing them? If you're not open to new ideas, then remove yourself from the discussion. No one else here shares in your belief that Obama is a socialistmarxistkenyanmuslimcommunist. You are the only one, and you're not gonna convince anyone else otherwise. I made it easy for you.
If believing in the evil government theory works for you, then fine. But stop posting and forcing your beliefs on me unless you want them scrutinized.
Why deny that Obama is a socialist? that's why you support him..... claim your beliefs.
Some things are up for discussion, some are not......
you see, that's the difference in a republic and a democracy..... In a republic, i have rights that the majority can not take away from me. In a democracy, everything is subject to a vote..... as someone wise once said " a democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner ".... There was a point in time where democrats believed that your freedom was something they were entitled to vote on.
Everything you have in this world is attributed to the wonderful capitalist republic that we both call our home, even though you seek to change everything great that made it what it is today.
The government has recently admitted to it's "evil". It's no longer a theory.
You stand with tyrants as long as tyrants support your beliefs.
You made the claim that Obama is a socialist. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You do not wish to indulge in that evidence so the discussion is over.
If that's what you believe.Everything you have in this world is attributed to the wonderful capitalist republic that we both call our home, even though you seek to change everything great that made it what it is today.
That's your belief and you're entitled to it.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag,
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
One Nation, under God
Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.
It's not a belief, it's a fact, boy.
Written by a socialist.
Im gonna help you out with how a typical rational discussion goes. This right here is the point where you've stated your belief as a fact. At this point you should present your evidence of this fact, or else, its still a belief. Once you present this evidence, it is you presenting me with your belief. I have the option to either accept your evidence or rebut it with my own evidence to the contrary. Once I rebut your evidence with evidence to the contrary, you have the option to accept this evidence, or withdrawal.It's not a belief, it's a fact, boy.
You've stated that it is a fact that Obama is a socialist. I've asked for evidence. Your move.
My evidence that the unites states is a republic is that the united states calls it'self a republic.
Would you also like evidence that the name of the unites states is "the united states"? If so, given adequate time to prepare, i believe i can make that point.
You're going to great lengths to distort my comment about "beliefs", further proving that you're nothing more than an open book to me. I've labeled you correctly from day one. You are exactly as advertised.
God is real. Prove me wrong......
I know what the United States calls itself.
All I want is evidence to the fact you stated. "Obama is a socialist", lets see the evidence. If you can provide convincing evidence, I'll believe you.
Havent distorted anything actually.
The burden of proof rests on the person making the claim. You've now made the claim god is real. The burden of proof rests on you. Your move.God is real. Prove me wrong......
Thank you for clarifying what a belief is...... now you can drop your charade and quit being a douche. You cant prove god isnt real anymore than i can prove that he is........ but we believe what we believe.
Now lets apply this logic towards our political beliefs. You seem to have a habit of thinking yours are concrete facts.....
Ok. You've made the claim Obama is a socialist, and you've stated it as a concrete fact. Since the burden of proof rests on you, present the evidence for your claim.
Raising taxes on people who can "afford to pay a little more" to give it to other people is socialism. Mandating that everyone pay for a healthcare program is socialism. Redistribution of wealth, under any premise what so ever that is not completely voluntary, is socialism.
When i file my taxes at the end of the year and have to pay back more money, yet my coworker of a relative pay grade gets a $7000 return because he claims two kids, that's socialism.
I understand that you can make the argument that every form of government is socialism, IE fire departments, highways, police ect..... i separate public servants from the public. My taxes paying for a cop who protects everyone is not the same as my taxes paying for your section 8 house. Your section 8 house has absolutely no benefit to me what so ever........ "no taxation without representation".
Now we're getting somewhere! Lets go one step at a time to avoid anyone getting confused
For clarity's sake, how did you come to this definition of socialism? In other words, why do you believe that raising taxes is socialism? Simple question, no wrong answer here.
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