Defend your right to own a car.

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With that definition, only a baby fully born would be "independent from its host", as "host" would mean it was inside its mother still. If that is the case, would you support an elective abortion at 8.5 months, since the baby is still inside the mother?

A three week old infant does not have the ability to feed itself, and will die if left alone, so should that be considered "ok to kill"?

He words it in a "politically correct" way, but that is exactly what they believe...... as long as the baby's head is inside a vagina, it's a lifeless fetus and terminating it is no different than having a mole removed.

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He words it in a "politically correct" way, but that is exactly what they belief...... as long as the baby's head is inside a vagina, it's a lifeless fetus and terminating it is no different than having a mole removed.

There may be some people who believe that but I think the most common definition of "able to live outside the mother" is closer to 24 weeks. The youngest premature child to survive was at about 22 weeks and that was considered miraculous.

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There may be some people who believe that but I think the most common definition of "able to live outside the mother" is closer to 24 weeks. The youngest premature child to survive was at about 22 weeks and that was considered miraculous.

I dont think the law should cater to the incompetence of the individual. There's no reason someone should wait that long to decide to get an abortion. "i didnt know i was pregnant" should be looked upon the same way as "i didnt know what the speed limit was" or "i didnt know i couldnt drink this margarita while driving"

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I dont think the law should cater to the incompetence of the individual. There's no reason someone should wait that long to decide to get an abortion. "i didnt know i was pregnant" should be looked upon the same way as "i didnt know what the speed limit was" or "i didnt know i couldnt drink this margarita while driving"

If that is your position to also need to explain why someone shouldn't be able to wait that long either. Keep in mind not everyone agrees that fetuses that young have any rights.

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If that is your position to also need to explain why someone shouldn't be able to wait that long either. Keep in mind not everyone agrees that fetuses that young have any rights.

Well, that's where we need to be directing this conversation as a whole, rather than it being a political punch line. The argument should be based 100% on at what point you believe a fetus is a living person with rights.

Blank believes it's a lifeless lump of tissue until the head pops out. That's fine.... we're all entitled to our opinion. Just own your beliefs and dont disguise them to make them more politically palatable.

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Well, that's where we need to be directing this conversation as a whole, rather than it being a political punch line. The argument should be based 100% on at what point you believe a fetus is a living person with rights.

It will always be a political punchline because at its core, it is about philosophy and not fact. Sure you can present facts that support your personal philosophy but if you can't agree on the fundamental assumptions (e.g., fetuses deserve to live no matter what) then facts are irrelevant.

Blank believes it's a lifeless lump of tissue until the head pops out. That's fine.... we're all entitled to our opinion. Just own your beliefs and dont disguise them to make them more politically palatable.

I don't get that view from him when reading his posts but I'll let him clarify his own beliefs.