You call it a criminalization of a seller, I call it a knowingly illegal sale of a firearm to a felonQuote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
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You call it a criminalization of a seller, I call it a knowingly illegal sale of a firearm to a felonQuote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
The London terrorist attacks do not account for the doubling of criminal violence involving handgun usage. You cannot spin that to rationalize the UK ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
The UK has not had a strong gun culture in the past, and firearms restrictions were already in place, with fairly low crime statistics with firearms. 2 individual massacres prompted the 1997 restrictions and the 1998 ban - you can read history about it.
You must not have been to the UK or London if you are trying to use population density. London alone has over 8 million people in it's area. From 2001-2009, it grew much faster than any other area in the UK, and it only added 430,000. It definitely did not double, like the amount of handguns used in violent crime. Focus on London - Population and Migration | London DataStore
You asked for a first world country as an example, and the UK is a perfect example to review.
I gave you Australia as a backup. If you don't approve of Australia, there are others that you can review, such as Germany. There, for people over 18, a license is not required to own a single shot percussion firearm developed before 1870, as well as all muzzle loaders with a flintlock or earlier design. That would satisfy the Second Amendment for you, I'm sure. You love playing technicalities, right?
How about Brazil - they have very strict gun control policies - as in good luck getting a legal permit for one. They have more homicides from violence with guns than the US - by about double. You probably consider them backwoods though.
We already have laws concerning firearms transfers and purchases. How about enforcement of existing laws, rather than just writing more down?Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
The ATF catches people that try to sell to felons and prosecutes them.
USAO Press Release - | ATF
While i dont support even voluntary efforts to remove guns from society..... if someone wants to give up their gun, that's their business. So i am ok with buy back programs as long i have the ability to ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Didnt try to spin rationalize a UK ban at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
Are you really trying to compare one city in the UK to the entire US? Come on. Don't be hard headed. You understand that the population density and area of the UK is different than here don't you? It most assuredly plays a role. Whether you want to believe it or not.Quote:
The UK has not had a strong gun culture in the past, and firearms restrictions were already in place, with fairly low crime statistics with firearms. 2 individual massacres prompted the 1997 restrictions and the 1998 ban - you can read history about it.
You must not have been to the UK or London if you are trying to use population density. London alone has over 8 million people in it's area. From 2001-2009, it grew much faster than any other area in the UK, and it only added 430,000. It definitely did not double, like the amount of handguns used in violent crime.
You know exactly what I asked for, and you've missed the mark. If I ask for an apple, don't give me a pomegranate. Or a ball of wax shaped in the form of an apple. Or a bowl of cereal.Quote:
You asked for a first world country as an example, and the UK is a perfect example to review.
I gave you Australia as a backup. If you don't approve of Australia, there are others that you can review, such as Germany. There, for people over 18, a license is not required to own a single shot percussion firearm developed before 1870, as well as all muzzle loaders with a flintlock or earlier design. That would satisfy the Second Amendment for you, I'm sure. You love playing technicalities, right?
How about Brazil - they have very strict gun control policies - as in good luck getting a legal permit for one. They have more homicides from violence with guns than the US - by about double. You probably consider them backwoods though.
Ok, since you are in denial - How about you show me a first world country with a similar population diversity and density, that had a similar amount of firearms per capita, that implemented a national registry for firearms or a full ban on them, and that say violent crime rates drop in half or more? I'm asking for an apple, not an orange. Show me where a gun ban or national registry has been a clear, overwhelming, and undeniable success.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
4 people who will be looking for jobs soon.
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Just ordered a new Daniel Defense V7 :goodjob:
HmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
There's probably more to the story than redalertpolitics is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elbow
NRA Rifle Shirt Gets WV Middle Schooler Suspended, Arrested | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns
Liberals understand how important schools and education are. Theyre making sure to indoctrinate your kids early.
quite the gross assumption for someone who pretends to indulge only in facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Wear a gun related shirt to school and go home. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
You're not suppose to wear alcohol branded clothing or anything either.
Well aside from his beliefs, that situation is 50/50. I do think it's a little extreme to take a walk down the road with a rifle. If I was the cop I would have been worried approaching him. The arrest was uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
I do indulge in facts. As a matter of fact, while tracing the real story down, the police officers said he refused to take his hand off the loaded gun. Something realclearpolitics conveniently left out of their story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
More biased drivel. If that was the shirt in question, I wouldn't want my son dressing like a trailer trash hillbilly to school either. And it sounds like he put up a fight with the administrators as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
This is also part of the indoctrination process. "cool kids" like blankcd describe a shirt supporting your 2nd amendment rights, one of the rights this country was founded on as "dressing like a trailer trash hillbilly". Funny thing about it, he's a part of the most racially sensitive groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Yeah, he "put up a fight with administrators" about the same as Rosa Parks put up a fight with bus drivers.
The media is to blame for false perception over reality. There's nothing unusual about someone walking down a remote road with a rifle. If he was wearing camo with a 12gauge on his back, nobody would have noticed. The type of rifle is what intimidates people. The perception of said rifle is far from the reality of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elbow
That guy getting stopped because of his appearance is about the same as a black guy getting stopped for wearing a backwards hat. Neither are in violation of any law, but the perception is misleading.
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I don't think that word "indoctrination" means what you think it meansQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
And Im sure I don't have to explain to you the difference between this and civil disobedience.
I like this new side of you where you actually reveal the type of person you really are rather than the politically correct version you pretend to be. The real you looks at a typical southern white guy and thinks " trailer trash hillbilly "Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).[1] It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned
exactly. Lets not use the term indoctrination in place of education in this case, cool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Sounds like maybe you need to be educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Don't worry bout that. I got that part covered. I'm not the one who thinks gun control is an infringement on 2nd amendment rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Where are the young kids being educated to think critically concerning the shirt in question? I didn't see anything to suggest that they are being taught why they shouldn't wear it, only that it was not allowed. If they aren't, then the term indoctrination could be used, could it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
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Originally Posted by .blank cd
Nothing new here..... another delusional liberal radical thinks he's more intelligent than the rest of the world. Get in line......
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It's not really the schools place to teach kids how to dress, is it? This is a failure on the parents behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
The west virginia state flag has guns crossed on it. That particular high school has a statue outside of it of someone holding a rifle. Pardon me if i would question my son wearing a 2nd amendment shirt being appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Only to you delusional bleeding heart liberals are guns an abnormality in society.
should a kid be suspended for wearing a support Obama shirt?
I agree that it is the parent's place. It's sad that the school even has to address it.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
That point we agree on.
If the school isn't teaching about it though, in regards to this case, then technically, it does fall under indoctrination. I'm not making an argument that indoctrination is good or bad, just that technically this could fall under that term in this case, and cases that are similar where teaching is not implemented along with the practice.
The school shouldn't be teaching the kids what to wear and what not to wear at all. The rules are in place, its my job as a parent to see that he follows them. I wouldn't want my son wearing my political ideologies on his back either. If he wants the shirt, fine, but he doesn't wear it to school. Dress like someone who's in school to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
If you want to use the word indoctrination, the parents indoctrinated him to think its ok to wear a sleeveless tshirt with guns and a political ideology on the front of it to school.
Yes. Especially if he wants to fight administrators about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
I don't disagree with you on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Just remember though - if a kid is wearing an anarchy, Jesus, or "gay rights" t-shirt, the same rules should apply.
Gay Ohio Student Sues Over Right to Wear T-Shirt - ABC News
http://www.change.org/petitions/tell...nding-students
Michigan School Reverses Student's Suspension For Wearing ""Anarchy"" T-Shirt | American Civil Liberties Union
Canadian Student Suspended for Wearing Jesus T-Shirt
It's really sad that administrators are more concerned about what the kid is wearing, rather than what he is learning.
BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
It has nothing to do with the type of gun.
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Originally Posted by Elbow
So you think the same thing will happen if i walk down a country road with my AR15 as it would with my shotgun?
I may test this out and see how it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eVF_G_p-YQuote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Yes, I truly do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
If someone sees you that's clueless about guns a gun is a gun, if you can differentiate an AR and a shotgun then I still don't see why it matters because once again a gun is a gun.
i agree.... but unfortunately that isnt the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elbow
Someone sees a shotgun and they think
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Someone sees an AR15 they think
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I think when you register your car you should have to list the path your vehicle travels routinely and whenever you go beyond that path you should have to get a permit. They should also use the progressive snapshot to monitor the driving behavior of all drivers and maybe one day be able to remotely limit a car's ability or shut it off if the driver does something that warrants suspicion or wonders off his path. it would save lives and assist the police in tracking fugitives.