Jesus thread...

[geoff]

Simontibbett: it would be a lot of information for me to post on here, but it you are truly curious, read the thread under "news and politics" titled "are we blind, or playing stupid". I had a debate there about rape and slavery in the Bible. I also went into great length to describe Jewish tradition and Mosaic Law. You will also see how some of the atheists here show their knowledge of scripture, or lack there of. Slavery and rape are in the Bible as is "murder". Rape was punishable by death and slavery then was not what slavery in modern terms was. Slaves were to be treated very well under the "golden rule" and there was punishment for abuse. Also, slaves were to be set free every 7 years. What some here label as "murder" was realistically casualties of war. It was also punishment for sin. The wages of sun is death, it always has been. God sent the Israelites to pass judgement on idol worshiping nations that sacrificed their children. These nations were sinful and paid the price for sin....death. But don't be swift to judge. God also passes judgement on His own people, I.E. the story of David and the many times the people of Israel are taken captive as slaves. As the New Testament clearly puts it, " e Ed.)
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1peter 4:17

I can tell you this my friend. The Bible is not a buffet which one can pick and choose what they like and disregard that which they find irrelevant. No personal interpretation is needed. One need nothing more than to read it for himself as the words are printed on the page. If you own a Bible, read it for yourself. Faith and salvation are to be worked out by each individual. Don't leave it up to men or a church to guide you. God is the guide and Jesus is the blueprint. It seems these days that the Bible is no longer relevant, and as each day passes that idea become more true. Yet, the Bible clearly speaks of this...

"2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.
******10Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance, 11persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me! 12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. "

I leave you with this, read for yourself, pray for understanding, let no man mislead you, and by all means; look always unto Jesus, the Author of our faith. God bless!

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I can tell you this my friend. The Bible is not a buffet which one can pick and choose what they like and disregard that which they find irrelevant. No personal interpretation is needed. One need nothing more than to read it for himself as the words are printed on the page. If you own a Bible, read it for yourself. Faith and salvation are to be worked out by each individual. Don't leave it up to men or a church to guide you. God is the guide and Jesus is the blueprint.

The only problem is that you can not sit there and say that the Bible has not been interpreted. As far as I know, the English language has not been around since the Biblical days. So to say that there is no chance the Bible could have been misinterpreted is quite a bit naive, yes?

Also, I believe God would be the blueprint and Jesus the guide.

the Author of our faith.

So Jesus wrote the Bible? Later, QD.

[geoff]

Yes and no( to your question of Jesus writing the Bible). Obviously the scriptures were penned by men, but the were Divinely inspired. As no proof can be given for or against this, it falls back on a matter of faith.

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You will also see how some of the atheists here show their knowledge of scripture, or lack there of.

Atheists lack of knowledge of scripture huh? You didnt even know the bible has been edited. I've clearly shown my knowledge of your scripture is greater than yours. You just choose to interpret it differently, and your interpretation is the "correct" interpretation.

Rape was punishable by death and slavery then was not what slavery in modern terms was. Slaves were to be treated very well under the "golden rule" and there was punishment for abuse. Also, slaves were to be set free every 7 years. What some here label as "murder" was realistically casualties of war.

I dont think you understand what slavery is. I think you imagine that slavery in the 18-19th century was all brutally oppresive. This is not the case. None the less, slavery is slavery, 1st century or 21st century.

It was also punishment for sin.

This is what we take issue with. There's a lot of trivial stuff the bible considers sin: Working on sunday, wearing blended fabrics, cutting your beard. Think I should be killed for wearing my favorite polyester shirt?

I can tell you this my friend. The Bible is not a buffet which one can pick and choose what they like and disregard that which they find irrelevant. No personal interpretation is needed.

So why do believers pick gay marriage to crusade against, and not barber shops doing hot later shaves on men? Only one of those is a sin according to the bible, and I'll give you a hint, it involves a razor and shaving cream.

It seems these days that the Bible is no longer relevant, and as each day passes that idea become more true. Yet, the Bible clearly speaks of this...

Like I've said before, its easy to predict the future when you make broad and incredibly vague predictions.

The Bible has not been "interpreted" many times or "rewritten".

Unfortunately It has. It has been revised many times, entire books have been omitted, and it has been translated numerous times. Romani, Hungarian, and German, Romainas 2 recognised languages, are all viable. We're talking about a translation from many different languages that are no longer viable, into different versions of English that are no longer viable.

The only problem is that you can not sit there and say that the Bible has not been interpreted. As far as I know, the English language has not been around since the Biblical days. So to say that there is no chance the Bible could have been misinterpreted is quite a bit naive, yes?

The version of english we speak has only been around for a few hundred years. Modern english has only been around since around 1400. I have a feeling some believers think "white Jesus" was prancing around back in the 1st century speaking Shakespearian english. Lol.

[geoff]

As spirituality increases so does understanding of scripture. I can point to you something very interesting in the first chapter of Genesis. You know the whole argument, " we'll if God knew man was gonna rebel, why create man at all?" we'll, what if I told you that before God created sinful man, He made Himself Jesus as the sacrifice for sin?

[geoff]

Show me evidence that the Bible has been edited. The finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls is evidence to the contrary. You have more knowledge of scripture than I? Ha, you demonstrated just how much knowledge you have when you couldn't even state how Old Testament believers achieved salvation. You have no knowledge of scripture, what you have is the google search bar. That does not suffice as "knowledge" of a subject sir. I understand what slavery is, but I can't argue with a black man how much of an injustice the modern form was from biblical slavery. How long has it been since you were in chains? Oh that's right, you never were. It does not matter what an atheist finds as trivial when it comes to sin, you do not hold yourself to Law any way. Most of the prohibited sins in the Old Testament were because they were pagan practices. And stop trying to argue that homosexuality was not a sin mentioned in the Bible, it just further shows your ignorance to scripture when you do so. The Bible takes a clear and decisive stance on it. Easy to predict the future? Vague? I just provided you with a detailed Biblical prediction. I'm sorry that does not count as descriptive to the almighty and all knowing blank cd. You are no standard for what is relevant, intelligent, or detailed. As I stated before, it was translated; not edited, revised, or interpreted. You don't seem to understand the difference though. Once again, the findings of the Dead Sea scrolls can attest to the accuracy of the translation.

By the way, this is the Jesus thread. You don't believe in religion, God, Jesus, or Christian principles. Why then do you even post in here? This topic has nothing to do with you or any atheist.

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It does not matter what an atheist finds as trivial when it comes to sin, you do not hold yourself to Law any way

Guess what? Im gonna wear polyester, buy liquor, work, cut my hair, and sleep with a girl Im not married to. All on sunday, and Im not gonna go to hell. How fantastic is that?

And stop trying to argue that homosexuality was not a sin mentioned in the Bible, it just further shows your ignorance to scripture when you do so. The Bible takes a clear and decisive stance on it.

Nope, sure doesnt. Not according to most biblical scholars. Bible bangers take the clear and decisive stance. The bible does take a clear stance on tattoos though.

Once again, the findings of the Dead Sea scrolls can attest to the accuracy of the translation.

I trust youve read these dead sea scrolls enough to make this assumption

By the way, this is the Jesus thread. You don't believe in religion, God, Jesus, or Christian principles. Why then do you even post in here? This topic has nothing to do with you or any atheist.

Threatened much? Im just here to balance out the mythology with reality.

[geoff]

By the way, my Romanian language is a fairly new one as well. My nation was once called Dacia. It has been heavily influenced by the Romans, Turks, Russian, and Hungarian people. Does that make my language invalid? Does that make my languages translation to English invalid? I think not.

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Simontibbett: it would be a lot of information for me to post on here, but it you are truly curious, read the thread under "news and politics" titled "are we blind, or playing stupid". I had a debate there about rape and slavery in the Bible. I also went into great length to describe Jewish tradition and Mosaic Law. You will also see how some of the atheists here show their knowledge of scripture, or lack there of. Slavery and rape are in the Bible as is "murder". Rape was punishable by death and slavery then was not what slavery in modern terms was. Slaves were to be treated very well under the "golden rule" and there was punishment for abuse. Also, slaves were to be set free every 7 years. What some here label as "murder" was realistically casualties of war. It was also punishment for sin. The wages of sun is death, it always has been. God sent the Israelites to pass judgement on idol worshiping nations that sacrificed their children. These nations were sinful and paid the price for sin....death. But don't be swift to judge. God also passes judgement on His own people, I.E. the story of David and the many times the people of Israel are taken captive as slaves. As the New Testament clearly puts it, " e Ed.)
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1peter 4:17

A casualty of war is when soldiers or civilians are killed in battle are as an effect from battle. If an army killed a child because a child got caught in the crossfire, that would be a casualty of war. When the battle is over and someone says "go kill the children and bring all the women for our soldiers to rape" that is murder and rape. You can say God punished them for the murder and rape, but they took the city in God's name. The bible claims God gave them the power to overthrow these cities for their wickedness, but then they turn around and do wicked things themselves? Free will is the ultimate loop hole for religion.

It's like god could hand someone a ski mask, a machine gun and a sack, tell them to go into the bank and get all the money. The guy goes in, kills everyone and robs the bank. Then god's answer is, "he did that on his own, he could have wrote a check"