BSA and Chick fil A anti-gay

[BanginJimmy]

Yes, I know exactly when - when I hit puberty. :-p

The society that I grew up in (here in the south) teaches that male-female relationships are normal. It is something that has been taught, and you choose to follow your teachings.
If I had been born in some "fantasy" land where people are taught to have relationships with their own gender, then I probably would have been influenced to think that was correct, and would have been inclinded to follow that path - and probably would have incorrectly said that I was born that way also. The truth is that a society like that would have only made it one generation though, as reproduction would have been impossible - and yes, I said impossible intentionally. You cannot find a case where one male human impregnated another male human, and that had a successful birth to propetuate the species. That makes it pretty clear that it is not "normal".

I agree with you that homosexuality is not normal and is a deviation from biological tendencies. I completely disagree that it is a choice. It is a defect in their natural programming. If it was a choice those 'sexual rehab' courses created by the church would have worked. If it was a case of nurture you would never see a gay black or a gay from a religious family.

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[David88vert]

I agree with you that homosexuality is not normal and is a deviation from biological tendencies. I completely disagree that it is a choice. It is a defect in their natural programming. If it was a choice those 'sexual rehab' courses created by the church would have worked. If it was a case of nurture you would never see a gay black or a gay from a religious family.

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You base your disagreement only on your own opinion, which does not have any basis in current facts. We do know for a fact that someone can choose to be gay. We do know that education and training at a formulative age can produce any results that we desire. We do not have any proof of any gay gene, and definitely not that it is a "defective" gene. In fact, I think most gays would probably take that offensively to say that it is a "defect in their natural programming".

Let's look at human behavior for a minute. A lot of kids are taught that they should be conservative by their parents when they are young, and if you ask them questions, they will repeat the answers that their parents have taught. Once they get older, they see a lot of TV, and the media starts to influence them. Additionally, they start to get to get to make their own choices and engage in risker activities, and tend to have more liberal tendencies. The media's influence usually showswhen they are in their 20s-30s. Once they get older, many tend to drift back towards what their parents originally taught, and are more conservative, and more traditional.
Look atfter any major media event, such as a serial killer, we see copycats, even though they know it is wrong. This is pure choice. People see repetitive media, and they begin to copy it.
Now, as to the media, do you see more new promoting the gay agenda, or against it? Watch the news, and it promotes it. Watch TV shows, and they promote it. It is rare that they give the majority of Americans a voice on anything.

The only way to put this to bed is to put it to a vote, let the public determine if the definition of marriage should be modified to include same sex relationships. Georgia has already had a voted related to gay marriage - back in 2004, in the GA Marriage Amendment. Georgia Marriage Amendment, Question 1 (2004) - Ballotpedia

GA voted overwhelmingly change the state constitution to say that marriage is only between a man and a woman. 76% voted for it, and make no mistake, this sealed the chance of gay marriage being approved anytime soon.

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^ I disagree. I was watching a documentary on the study of sex and attraction. They described how pheromones come into play, how facial symmetry influences attraction, the significance of big breasts, ect...Basically it was saying how humans are programmed to find certain things attractive, in it's most primal state; a basic blue print for individuals to find a "perfect" mate to reproduce wIth. That really throws a wrench in the whole gays not having a choice theory. it seems that we are all wired by nature to find a mate of the opposite sex to reproduce the healthiest offspring possible. But something peculiar happens. Women who are considered very beautiful and desirable are choosing men who are the opposite. Like when you see that bomb shell blonde with the tall goofy awkward looking guy and you wonder how a guy like that managed to pull a girl like her. Surely she could have any man she wants, so why him? CHOICE! Maybe she was hurt and this guy is the "safe" choice. Maybe she is with him because he treats her good and makes her laugh...who knows. The fact is that she CHOSE that man and not the "best" candidate to reproduce with. It seems that we in our most primitive state of mind choose sexual partners based on what will be genetically probable for genes being passed on. Watch the video, it's pretty informative. It's called, The Science of Sex Appeal.

Many factors come into play when it comes to sexual attraction. But it all comes down to personal choice. If there ever was a gay gene, it would have been bred out through evolution. I also have a Biblical view, but that doesn't interest you guys, so here is the science approach.

This is solid scientific research right here ladies and gentlemen.

You base your disagreement only on your own opinion, which does not have any basis in current facts.

You've been doing this throughout the thread.

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The only way to put this to bed is to put it to a vote, let the public determine if the definition of marriage should be modified to include same sex relationships. Georgia has already had a voted related to gay marriage - back in 2004, in the GA Marriage Amendment. Georgia Marriage Amendment, Question 1 (2004) - Ballotpedia

GA voted overwhelmingly change the state constitution to say that marriage is only between a man and a woman. 76% voted for it, and make no mistake, this sealed the chance of gay marriage being approved anytime soon.

If we put to vote that evolution was a myth, 76% of Georgia would vote yes. That doesnt mean that evolution is a myth, that means that 76% of Georgia voters are stupid.

[BanginJimmy]

You base your disagreement only on your own opinion, which does not have any basis in current facts. We do know for a fact that someone can choose to be gay. We do know that education and training at a formulative age can produce any results that we desire. We do not have any proof of any gay gene, and definitely not that it is a "defective" gene. In fact, I think most gays would probably take that offensively to say that it is a "defect in their natural programming"

Sure someone can choose to be gay. They can just make the decision that they feel more comfortable with people of the same sex. That is not the truth for the vast majority of gays though. Most simply do not feel an attraction to the opposite sex.

You bring up social programming that that was exactly why I brought up blacks and the church. These are 2 of the most anti gay demographics in the US. If it was simple programming, you wouldnt find any gays in those demographics. Obviously that isnt the case.

[David88vert]

If we put to vote that evolution was a myth, 76% of Georgia would vote yes. That doesnt mean that evolution is a myth, that means that 76% of Georgia voters are stupid.

Once again, you make up your statistics just like your "facts" by randomly pulling them from your ass.
I can do that too.
99.999% of the time, you are completely retarded. 100% of the time you are unable to address a point directed to you.

Sure someone can choose to be gay. They can just make the decision that they feel more comfortable with people of the same sex. That is not the truth for the vast majority of gays though. Most simply do not feel an attraction to the opposite sex.

You bring up social programming that that was exactly why I brought up blacks and the church. These are 2 of the most anti gay demographics in the US. If it was simple programming, you wouldnt find any gays in those demographics. Obviously that isnt the case.

I disagree. You are assuming that the black community and the church are the only factors that are influencing people. They aren't even the majority of the influence that people in these groups face anymore.