Romney out of touch?

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You are making a damn solid case against social programs, cause if you went to public school, its definitely failing.

[05dc5s]

Of course he got 54%, because unlike a select few, the country as a whole is becoming more progressive.

I don't get the correlation between wanting social programs and being dependent on the government. The ideas are independent of each other. I want public assistance programs and I myself am not on them. How am I dependent on the government again?

I'm curious, what makes you in favor of government social programs?

Obama and his liberals words are enough citation, or have you never heard him say that the rich should pay their fair share? I'm glad to hear you have a job and never been on welfare, thank God the "evil" rich kept you employed. No I did not vote for alcohol sales on Sunday and yes I support the decision made in NC. You want to talk about seperation of church and state and government control, what about banning prayer from schools. What right did the government have in denying anyone with faith the right to pray in school( where they spend the majority of their day) regardless of what religion they follow. To me, more government and dependence on it is never a good thing. My family has lived through that, you have not.

There ought to be a separation of church and banning prayer in schools was not right as it impeded on individuals rights however, it can't be both ways. One of the biggest issues is that economically conservative people tend to bring religion and social beliefs where they do no belong.

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Obama wont win. He is going to go down in history as the worse president ever. No ifs ands or buts. He has done ZERO in his time in office other than take away some freedoms (Obamacare) and more too the debt in one term than any other president has in history, probably even a few presidential terms combined.
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you sure are an idiot.

He may have made a statement that you do not agree with but, just calling him an idiot does nothing to dispute his point whether he is right or not.

You may not depend on the government but yet demonize a presidential candidate because he made good decisions and accumulated mass wealth. You would love to see equal distribution of wealth wouldn't you?

I might have missed it but where did he demonize him and for the reasons you just stated?

This is about what he will be remembered by in 50 years. The fact that he's the first black president will be pretty high on that list

False, while the mandate may be unpopular, the rest of the reform is supported by at least half of Americans.

Daily Kos: Kaiser poll: Health care reform support reaches new high

^lie. Half of the population has not read the entirety of the Obama healthcare reform and only know what is reported by a liberal media.

Do you have any other sources to back that? I am still under the impression that the majority of the population does not support this decision.

Maybe the southern republicans like yourself. More are in favor my friend. The south isn't the whole country. GA, Alabama, etc... are all shitty states compared to NY, Mass, etc... In these states, the people in power can do what they want to the common worker/person and they can get away with it. There is no such thing as job security in this shitty state. Try getting fired for no reason up North and see how well the "boss/owner" would have it.

What is good about a company not having the right to fire someone at will? If it is a bad decision then that hurts the company and ultimately if it's a good employee they will benefit another. The first company is punished in that way. It should work differently than that in your opinion? What gives anyone a right to "job security" beyond the job security that is provided to you by the value your bring to the company you work for?

[geoff]

The religion thing was brought up by blank, I simply gave him an example. As far as him demoniIng the wealthy, read his posts. They are full of envy and how he believes all should be financially equal. Good points on the last paragraph though. Funny how the southern hicks got it all wrong yet here he still lives.

[05dc5s]

The religion thing was brought up by blank, I simply gave him an example. As far as him demoniIng the wealthy, read his posts. They are full of envy and how he believes all should be financially equal. Good points on the last paragraph though. Funny how the southern hicks got it all wrong yet here he still lives.

If he feels that way(which I am unsure if he does) then I do disagree. Individuals do have rights to equality in opportunity but not equal results.

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I'm curious, what makes you in favor of government social programs?

Why wouldn't you be in favor of social programs? Don't like paying taxes? There's a lot of consequences of getting rid of public assistance programs that people don't think about when they're on their "why should I pay for everyone else's [fill in the blank]"

There ought to be a separation of church and banning prayer in schools was not right as it impeded on individuals rights however, it can't be both ways. One of the biggest issues is that economically conservative people tend to bring religion and social beliefs where they do no belong.

Its school sanctioned prayer that's banned. Not personal prayer. No ones individual rights are infringed upon.

Do you have any other sources to back that? I am still under the impression that the majority of the population does not support this decision.

The majority may not like the mandate. That's the main issue.

[1civic]

BanginJimmy, I will agree with you and let it be known that politics are not my strong suit, but I'm all ears!!

Explain to me in your opinion how we can begin change?

Do you think someone like Romney is the answer?

[05dc5s]

Why wouldn't you be in favor of social programs? Don't like paying taxes? There's a lot of consequences of getting rid of public assistance programs that people don't think about when they're on their "why should I pay for everyone else's [fill in the blank]"

Its school sanctioned prayer that's banned. Not personal prayer. No ones individual rights are infringed upon.

The majority may not like the mandate. That's the main issue.

What might be the consequences of eliminating government mandated/controlled public assistance programs?

Being an Atheist I didn't follow the elimination of school sanctioned prayer. As long as those that choose to believe are allowed to do so during unstructured times then I can agree with the decision for time not being taken from others that do not believe.

I don't understand how you saying the majority may not like the issue can jive with your previous statement saying the majority supports it.

[MachNU]

BanginJimmy, I will agree with you and let it be known that politics are not my strong suit, but I'm all ears!!

Explain to me in your opinion how we can begin change?

Do you think someone like Romney is the answer?

I think Jimmy can give a MUCH better answer than I can toward exact specifics...but really....between Obama and Romney, its better to go with the best of the worse. It would be hard for Romney to do any worse than Obama has done. At least Romney has a considerable amount more experience in running something than Obama.

[1civic]

I think Jimmy can give a MUCH better answer than I can toward exact specifics...but really....between Obama and Romney, its better to go with the best of the worse. It would be hard for Romney to do any worse than Obama has done. At least Romney has a considerable amount more experience in running something than Obama.

And I agree, Romney has Obama when it comes to experience...

[Vteckidd]

What you get with Obama is a sluggish private sector economy, a huge increase in govt programs and spending, slow GDP growth, wishy waashy foreign policy.

What you get with Romney is pro-growth economic policies that have worked the last 100 years(although im sure ill get flamed for this), probably a cut in social programs, less govt spending (HOPEFULLY).

Im not a huge Romney fan, but ill take conservative economics over liberal economics any day of the week.

Im of the belief that the rich create jobs, and the rich employ people. Im of the belief that giving incentive to the private sector gets them to hire and invest. Im not on the same side as liberal who think that demonizing the wealthy to buy votes works out in everyones favor.

[nelson9995]

The rich create jobs, employ people, and have the power to exploit them, which they already do. I'm not saying take from the rich. I'm saying, lay rules and laws so that the rich are able to employ people and treat them like people, not robots.

[Vteckidd]

The rich create jobs, employ people, and have the power to exploit them, which they already do. I'm not saying take from the rich. I'm saying, lay rules and laws so that the rich are able to employ people and treat them like people, not robots.

If you know a better system, by all means let me know about it.

You say exploit, i say employ. Its on the WORKER to find a job and decide if they like it. If they dont, they can leave.

You get paid based upon your education and experience, bottom line. If you have ea good education and good experience, you make good money. If you dont, you dont get paid well. I dont think theres exploitation when youre upset about a person doing manual labor and getting paid $10/hr. Manual Labor is manual labor, its cheap, its a job anyone can do.

Now go find me a minimum wage worker that can subnet 100 networks for a fortune 500 company or can do Lan/Wan optimization. Theres a reason why certain jobs pay more than others. (FYI ive been both in the above scenario).

[MachNU]

The rich create jobs, employ people, and have the power to exploit them, which they already do. I'm not saying take from the rich. I'm saying, lay rules and laws so that the rich are able to employ people and treat them like people, not robots.

Thats the nature of the beast. Number one rule of being a boss, manager or owner is not become friends with your employees. Where you see bosses exploiting you, they see it as getting you to do what they pay you to do.

If you know a better system, by all means let me know about it.

You say exploit, i say employ. Its on the WORKER to find a job and decide if they like it. If they dont, they can leave.

You get paid based upon your education and experience, bottom line. If you have ea good education and good experience, you make good money. If you dont, you dont get paid well. I dont think theres exploitation when youre upset about a person doing manual labor and getting paid $10/hr. Manual Labor is manual labor, its cheap, its a job anyone can do.

Now go find me a minimum wage worker that can subnet 100 networks for a fortune 500 company or can do Lan/Wan optimization. Theres a reason why certain jobs pay more than others. (FYI ive been both in the above scenario).

So very true!

Like I said a few pages ago....do you think someone flipping fries at Burger King deserves $15, $20 or $25 an hour?

[nelson9995]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol
I look at business owners the same way I look at a worm. No lie lol

I have a FULL TIME friend at Coca Cola. He is "full time" but doesn't work more than 30hrs a week, slammed with work at a quick as pace. He is 21 and complains about back problems. They can easily slow the pace down and give him 40hrs since he is full time.

When christmas comes around then he gets 60hrs a week at a pace where he says people quit all the time. So they give him more work that he's suppose to do and take away 10hrs? see what I'm talking about.

I understand there is nothing I, or anyone can do about it. They have theirs coming though. I know it.

You guys are okay with that because like business owners, you don't give 2 f*cks about anyone but yourselves. I care about people's well being.
These people could care less if every 10 years their employees have to quit with physical problems. Ambition blinds them. All they care about is making more and more money. I have been told this from exactly 3 business owners. They straight up told me all they care about is making more money, no matter what has to be done. I looked at them and laughed at them. Literally, with intentions of doing something that would take me to jail.

[Vteckidd]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol

YES THATS OK. ITS THEIR COMPANY, NOT YOURS. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE. My GF works for Coke and makes ...........A LOT, more than $80k. But she has a college education and has worked there for 5 years.

You dont get to choose what you get paid, THE OWNER DOES. DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

its really that simple


OR

GO INVEST AND START YOUR OWN COMPANY SO YOU CAN MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. You act like the OWNERS just fell into their jobs. do you understand the risk there is in starting a business. You think a company just OPENS and the Owner makes BILLIONS a year?

I USED TO OWN A BUSINESS , ITS BACKBREAKING WORK, ITS NOT KNOWING WHERE YOUR NEXT PAYCHECK COMES FROM, ITS WORRYING ABOUT PAYING YOUR BILLS AND YOUR EMPLOYEES, ETC

[MachNU]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol
I look at business owners the same way I look at a worm. No lie lol

I have a FULL TIME friend at Coca Cola. He is "full time" but doesn't work more than 30hrs a week, slammed with work at a quick as pace. He is 21 and complains about back problems. They can easily slow the pace down and give him 40hrs since he is full time.

When christmas comes around then he gets 60hrs a week at a pace where he says people quit all the time. So they give him more work that he's suppose to do and take away 10hrs? see what I'm talking about.

I understand there is nothing I, or anyone can do about it. They have theirs coming though. I know it.

You guys are okay with that because like business owners, you don't give 2 f*cks about anyone but yourselves. I care about people's well being.
These people could care less if every 10 years their employees have to quit with physical problems. Ambition blinds them. All they care about is making more and more money. I have been told this from exactly 3 business owners. They straight up told me all they care about is making more money, no matter what has to be done. I looked at them and laughed at them. Literally, with intentions of doing something that would take me to jail.

Was going to reply to this but....Mike pretty much summed it up.

YES THATS OK. ITS THEIR COMPANY, NOT YOURS. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE. My GF works for Coke and makes ...........A LOT, more than $80k. But she has a college education and has worked there for 5 years.

You dont get to choose what you get paid, THE OWNER DOES. DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

its really that simple


OR

GO INVEST AND START YOUR OWN COMPANY SO YOU CAN MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. You act like the OWNERS just fell into their jobs. do you understand the risk there is in starting a business. You think a company just OPENS and the Owner makes BILLIONS a year?

I USED TO OWN A BUSINESS , ITS BACKBREAKING WORK, ITS NOT KNOWING WHERE YOUR NEXT PAYCHECK COMES FROM, ITS WORRYING ABOUT PAYING YOUR BILLS AND YOUR EMPLOYEES, ETC

Again...well said.

Nelson, you are correct as a business owner I do not care about anyone but myself. You know why that is? Because I am the one taking ALL the risk. I dont survive if I dont bring in money. Now I will admit, I do pay my employees better than they deserve. But within reason. I pay them better because I believe they deserve it. But i am not going to double their pay. I have margins and bottom lines to keep. I have had weeks where I pay myself $100 when I worked 30-40 hours. Because my business needed to save money too pay bills or pay for equipment or supplies. Or to help save towards future ventures. If I keep my current plan rate and my business keeps progressing like it is...I am on track to make a million by the time I am 30. You know why that is? Because years ago I set a goal for myself to do that.

Granted there are bosses owners that are corrupt as shit, but its those few that make the rest look bad. Also, when you refer to most companies making people work on the Big 4 holidays those are not companies, they are franchised owned and I would bet the franchisee is working that day and paying their employees time and a half like required by federal law.

I will cut anyones throat who fucks with my livelihood. I am going to be severing a 4 year old friendship with someone next week over my business because my business trumpts him and I's personal and business relationship. So when I make it too the top one day, I do deserve a better life because I know I will have busted my ass to get there and like any major company, those who started on the ground floor with me will find themselves in a better place for helping. So when you look at business owners as "worms" you need to understand its simply because your probably lazy and jealous and have no idea what someone had to do too get there.

[BanginJimmy]

BanginJimmy, I will agree with you and let it be known that politics are not my strong suit, but I'm all ears!!

Explain to me in your opinion how we can begin change?

Do you think someone like Romney is the answer?

It is quite obvious you have no clue how the world works.

How can we change what?

Is Romney the answer to what?

[05dc5s]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol
I look at business owners the same way I look at a worm. No lie lol

I have a FULL TIME friend at Coca Cola. He is "full time" but doesn't work more than 30hrs a week, slammed with work at a quick as pace. He is 21 and complains about back problems. They can easily slow the pace down and give him 40hrs since he is full time.

When christmas comes around then he gets 60hrs a week at a pace where he says people quit all the time. So they give him more work that he's suppose to do and take away 10hrs? see what I'm talking about.

I understand there is nothing I, or anyone can do about it. They have theirs coming though. I know it.

You guys are okay with that because like business owners, you don't give 2 f*cks about anyone but yourselves. I care about people's well being.
These people could care less if every 10 years their employees have to quit with physical problems. Ambition blinds them. All they care about is making more and more money. I have been told this from exactly 3 business owners. They straight up told me all they care about is making more money, no matter what has to be done. I looked at them and laughed at them. Literally, with intentions of doing something that would take me to jail.

I am failing to see the problem with the owner of company making money, that is the purpose of owning a business. What does the amount that a worker makes have to do with that whatsoever?

If your friend doesn't like his job and feels he is undervalued and actually is then, I can assure you, there are other opportunities and he should seek them. I'm unsure what you mean about Coca Cola having it coming, do you have a vendetta against them?

If you care about the well being of others so much then help them but, saying your friend is being take advantage of, and that the company he works for is bad for doing so, does not help him. I have done about ever form of manual labor from landscaping to construction and I recognized that being at the bottom and expecting my body to last would not be sustainable. If your friends value is being underestimated then he should seek out another company.

What is wrong with an ambitious business owner? Their ambition and desire to make more money gives them incentive to grow and create more jobs. If a company or owner neglects and is unaware of the value of their good employees, then they lose them to business owners that do not. If you feel so strongly about your point that you're so impassioned you're considering violence then I would take that energy and direct it towards helping people in the way you think is right and creating a business that you run the way you wish. If everyone else has it all wrong then you'll be highly successful and well rewarded. Go for it.

[Browning151]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol
I look at business owners the same way I look at a worm. No lie lol

I have a FULL TIME friend at Coca Cola. He is "full time" but doesn't work more than 30hrs a week, slammed with work at a quick as pace. He is 21 and complains about back problems. They can easily slow the pace down and give him 40hrs since he is full time.

When christmas comes around then he gets 60hrs a week at a pace where he says people quit all the time. So they give him more work that he's suppose to do and take away 10hrs? see what I'm talking about.

I understand there is nothing I, or anyone can do about it. They have theirs coming though. I know it.

You guys are okay with that because like business owners, you don't give 2 f*cks about anyone but yourselves. I care about people's well being.
These people could care less if every 10 years their employees have to quit with physical problems. Ambition blinds them. All they care about is making more and more money. I have been told this from exactly 3 business owners. They straight up told me all they care about is making more money, no matter what has to be done. I looked at them and laughed at them. Literally, with intentions of doing something that would take me to jail.

Everyone seems to have covered this pretty well; If you don't like your situation.......CHANGE IT, the only person that can do that is you.

There are no victims, only volunteers.

[Sinfix_15]

So it's okay for the owner to be a billionaire making more money each day while his employees are working July 4, thanksgiving, Christmas, bagging 55 bags a minute making $8? lol
I look at business owners the same way I look at a worm. No lie lol

I have a FULL TIME friend at Coca Cola. He is "full time" but doesn't work more than 30hrs a week, slammed with work at a quick as pace. He is 21 and complains about back problems. They can easily slow the pace down and give him 40hrs since he is full time.

When christmas comes around then he gets 60hrs a week at a pace where he says people quit all the time. So they give him more work that he's suppose to do and take away 10hrs? see what I'm talking about.

I understand there is nothing I, or anyone can do about it. They have theirs coming though. I know it.

You guys are okay with that because like business owners, you don't give 2 f*cks about anyone but yourselves. I care about people's well being.
These people could care less if every 10 years their employees have to quit with physical problems. Ambition blinds them. All they care about is making more and more money. I have been told this from exactly 3 business owners. They straight up told me all they care about is making more money, no matter what has to be done. I looked at them and laughed at them. Literally, with intentions of doing something that would take me to jail.

It's not that we dont care about other people (i probably dont though). I wish everyone could have a 3 story house and a ferrari, but you cant just give it to them with money you dont have because you want to. Whether you like Obamacare or not, you may think it's the greatest thing in the world.... it may be..... fact is...... it's unsustainable and theyre pulling money out of their ass to pay for it. This is why Obama will go down as the worst president ever. He's running around the world swiping his presidential credit card trying to make friends with everyone (his voters) and i dont want to get stuck with the bill. If we could print endless amounts of money without anything bad happening, Obama would be a fantastic president. He would just spend all of our problems away.

[bu villain]

I haven't really kept up with politics much due to the fact that it has become way too political.

Hehe. I have to agree, politics are political.

But I have seen all this fuss and low balling in negative ads about Romney being too rich and out of touch with the middle class... Do any of you here see this as an issue that should keep him from winning the election?

There is nothing wrong with being rich but it is valid to question whether a candidate truly understands and can sympathize with how most of the population lives. Of course Obama is rich as well so he is also lives a significantly different life than the common man. I think Romney has shown himself time and time again to be more out of touch than Obama but that is only one small consideration among many when choosing a candidate. I would never make it a primary factor in who I vote for.

[1civic]

It is quite obvious you have no clue how the world works.

How can we change what?

Is Romney the answer to what?

It is quite obvious you have no clue how to answer a question..

Do i need to really type out 500 words for you to answer 2 questions?

It's simple, I wanna know your views, and if you see Romney taking america in the right direction if elected.. It's not like we have a bunch of candidates which surpass Obama..

[BanginJimmy]

It is quite obvious you have no clue how to answer a question..

Do i need to really type out 500 words for you to answer 2 questions?

If I knew what question to answer it would be easier.

It's simple, I wanna know your views, and if you see Romney taking america in the right direction if elected.. It's not like we have a bunch of candidates which surpass Obama..

Romney is a political hack that will say anything to get elected, just like nearly every other politician in the country.

Is he going to move the country in the right direction? Not a chance. IMO he will drive us over a cliff a little slower than Obama though so maybe we can survive the fall.


What other views of mine would you like? I have a long history in this forum and my views are pretty well known so you will have to be more specific on which views you would like to call into question.

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Romney is a political hack that will say anything to get elected, just like nearly every other politician in the country.

Is he going to move the country in the right direction? Not a chance. IMO he will drive us over a cliff a little slower than Obama though so maybe we can survive the fall.


What other views of mine would you like? I have a long history in this forum and my views are pretty well known so you will have to be more specific on which views you would like to call into question.

This is the most centerist thing I've ever seen you say...

[BanginJimmy]

This is the most centerist thing I've ever seen you say...

I'm not the least bit a fan of Romney and will likely sit this one out. He is still a vast improvement over Obama though.

[1civic]

If I knew what question to answer it would be easier.




Romney is a political hack that will say anything to get elected, just like nearly every other politician in the country.

Is he going to move the country in the right direction? Not a chance. IMO he will drive us over a cliff a little slower than Obama though so maybe we can survive the fall.


What other views of mine would you like? I have a long history in this forum and my views are pretty well known so you will have to be more specific on which views you would like to call into question.

And I agree, it doesn't take rocket science to have seen the path Obama would take, and I don't feel we have any good candidates on purpose.. I think someone wants Obama to have another term IMO.. I myself don't view much on this section, but I follow what's important..
It's better to listen to someone who has more knowledge on the topic, that is why I ask..

As for the first question I ask, it was based solely on how you feel about the economy in general, what is the direction/path IYO it should go for this country, in other-words, what type of President do you think will turn things around?

[BanginJimmy]

what type of President do you think will turn things around?

No one that would put themselves and their family through an election will be able to turn the economy around. The only people that can do that are too smart and too honorable to have their name drawn through the mud.

After the conventions in August watch the ads that start playing. All you will see is mud slinging. Neither has any new ideas, neither cares. They want the job and the power that comes with it.

[geoff]

^this

[Vteckidd]

Im not a fan of either, but id rather see a change that keep with obama. Romney will have 4 years to get UE down, period. If we see an explosion in growth in the private sector, taxes remain relatively low, middle class starts getting hired and UE drops to Bush W levels, there will be a GOP person in the WH until 2020.

On the other hand, if the rich get richer and the poor dont get hired, we may not make it till another election

[nelson9995]

On the other hand, if the rich get richer and the poor dont get hired, we may not make it till another election

lol... i see what you did there.

[BanginJimmy]

On the other hand, if the rich get richer and the poor dont get hired, we may not make it till another election

I wonder how much of our unemployment is caused by employers not being able to forecast for the future. Temp hiring is also much higher than normal, especially for 2 years after the end of the recession.



A bit outdated, but a good article about our jobs situation that I believe still applies today.
Why the Jobs Situation Is Worse Than It Looks - US News and World Report

[alpine_aw11]

Every politician is "out of touch" in their own way.