Romney out of touch?

[geoff]

I haven't really kept up with politics much due to the fact that it has become way too political. But I have seen all this fuss and low balling in negative ads about Romney being too rich and out of touch with the middle class. The liberals are calling him to turn over tax returns, to ask how he makes his money, to ask why he has off shore accounts and why he takes advantage of tax loops. My question is this, who the hell cares and why is he demonized for being rich? To me honestly it's not a big deal. The man worked and made money and tried to avoid as much income tax as he could, much like any working class American. Do any of you here see this as an issue that should keep him from winning the election?

[1civic]

And this is why america has went to shit!!

tax me the same % as the next man!!

[geoff]

What do you mean?

[1civic]

What do you mean?

I don't agree with all the loop holes..

example: If I pay 20% of 50k a yr then you should pay 20% of your 100K.. Point blank, no over sea's accounts, non taxed bull..

Make it equal for all.. that is my 2 cents!


Little off topic, sry.. my daily vent!

[BanginJimmy]

I don't agree with all the loop holes..

example: If I pay 20% of 50k a yr then you should pay 20% of your 100K.. Point blank, no over sea's accounts, non taxed bull..

Make it equal for all.. that is my 2 cents!


Little off topic, sry.. my daily vent!

You might want to take a better look at your tax returns unless you dont itemize. The vast majority of Americans who actually do pay taxes pay less than 12% if you itemize.



BTW, I completely agree with you about the tax code. If I cant get the FairTax, give me a flat tax. No deductions, to credits, no loop holes, and no progressive rates. Everyone that earns an income, whether it be earned or capital gains, pays 15% off the top to the feds.

But really tho, do you not see where he would take this? He's worth how much, 255 million?... bahahahaha, and you think he would do anything for the middle class, or even the poor? What is running the country like a business going to do for him, that's the real question?

Also where does he invest his money? and how does that help us here?

I'll pass on Romney!

So you wont vote for Romney because he is rich? Obama is rich too, as is Gary Johnson, so I guess you are going to sit this one out.

What has Obama done for the middle class besides raise taxes? I dont give him credit for continuing a tax break he had no hand in passing in the first place.

The poor? They made their choices and they should live with them.

Why is it your business where he invests his money? His taxes were prepared by one of the best accounting firms in the world so unless you are smarter than they are, I will take their word for it. For your average rich guy, I have no doubt they would stretch the rules, but not for a presidential candidate. His returns will be perfect and probably over paid just to be safe.


As for sheltering money from the feds, what is more middle class than that? Every single person here that itemizes their returns does it. The one that is out of touch would be the one that never inflates a deduction.

[1civic]

But really tho, do you not see where he would take this? He's worth how much, 255 million?... bahahahaha, and you think he would do anything for the middle class, or even the poor? What is running the country like a business going to do for him, that's the real question?

Also where does he invest his money? and how does that help us here?

I'll pass on Romney!

[MachNU]

Civic your a moron. At least Romney has some experience in the world....where as Obama pulled his head out of the sand and ran for President with no valuable experience in anything.

Also I have a question for you...how many truly WEALTHY people do you know? I am not saying people who you think might be wealthy...IE make into the low six figures. I am talking people who are worth a million+, 25 million+ or even someone who is worth over 100 million+?

If you actually do know someone that fits into this category...talk to them about how they became rich and how they stay rich. You will be blown away by their answer. You will also be surprised by who they vote for. Rich people are rich for a reason, because they know how to obtain wealth and maintain wealth. If you raise the tax on the rich, nothing will change for them. You will just increase the unemployment rate.

Also, here is a suggestion for you. Go find a book called the "Millionaire Next Door," its biggest strategy from millionaires and decamillionares are to live below your means and increase your nontaxable income. It talks heavily on nontaxable income.

[geoff]

It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.

[MachNU]

It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.

Yep. Most of the super wealthy are self employed and no one self employed makes it too the top solo. They hire people and use the hard working people below them to build a corporation. Its the way the world works. So when you tax those wealthy and it does it up the unemployment rate. Shit rolls down hill and so do taxes. Now I do agree on a flat tax across the board, but increasing taxes on the rich is just stupid.

[1civic]

It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.

I agree, but that is the problem no one seems to care about? Do we let the rich/wealthy continue to run this country, or do we make change?

I myself could not fix the problem, but we as people can, and it would take years to fix what has happen, but greed, and wealth is not the answer,

IMO!!

[MachNU]

I agree, but that is the problem no one seems to care about? Do we let the rich/wealthy continue to run this country, or do we make change?

I myself could not fix the problem, and it would take years to fix what has happen, but greed, and wealth is not the answer, IMO!!

This blows my mind! How stupid. LOL.

How else would this nation run? Without the rich people building corporations, hiring tens of thousands of people, how would this nation survive? Who would create the jobs, who would create the possessions that people spend money on too further other business along?

Civic, here is a question for you....why dont you hire someone? Put a add on AJCJobs, Craigslist, Monster, whatever asking to hire someone.

Saw your edit for the last part...

Greed and wealth is the answer. Which, how do you call someone being successful and creating a vast wealth greedy? Is it there fault that they figured out how to become part of the 1% in the nation?

[1civic]

This blows my mind! How stupid. LOL.

How else would this nation run? Without the rich people building corporations, hiring tens of thousands of people, how would this nation survive? Who would create the jobs, who would create the possessions that people spend money on too further other business along?

Civic, here is a question for you....why dont you hire someone? Put a add on AJCJobs, Craigslist, Monster, whatever asking to hire someone.

Saw your edit for the last part...

Greed and wealth is the answer. Which, how do you call someone being successful and creating a vast wealth greedy? Is it there fault that they figured out how to become part of the 1% in the nation?

I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

BUT

2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



FYI:

I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?

[MachNU]

I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

BUT

2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



FYI:

I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?

I cannot express....how idiotic that sounds.

Business owned/run by the workers!?!?!?!! What the fuck! <----actually had to spell that out

What do you call the workers that RUN and OPERATE the business? The owners. Over time, they will expand creating more jobs hiring people, then is they are successful they will expand some more and hire more people. Then they will become executives and rich owners who will hire more people. The owners will in turn spend there money on luxury based business that are mostly self owned and increase the profit revenues of that business. That was in a quick nutshell.

What you are describing is a communist country. You want everyone to be equal. You are someone who is jealous of the wealthy because you cannot obtain it. There is nothing wrong with minimum wage. Do you want someone flipping fries to be getting paid $20 an hour?

Also your boot, let me break it down for you. Since you think that all the money went over seas for the boot. Those boots that you paid $140 for...I am SPIT BALLING HERE as I do not know exact costs...

But that shoe was made in Chine...at probably <$10 per boot. That brings us down too $130.
A company transported it here...no telling what nationality owned it...but say in a massive load out of that shoe another $5 went to shipping that went into another businesses revenues...$125
Shoe left customs/port, was transported to the store...say $10 out of that shoe. That money went into another companies revenues to pay employees and cost. $115
Shoe arrived at store, and employee was paid to price the shoe, move the shoe through inventory and display the shoe... total cost from employee $10... $105
Shoe gets sold to a foolish customer overpaying for a luxury item, employee has to ring the shoe up, box the shoe, do whatever for the shoe to sale it... $5....$100.
Shoe sat on display for a short time, so all the days that the store opened...using electricity, employees to run the store, insurance for employees and customers, rent fees and merchant service fees... total cost out of that shoe....$25....$75.
Company profited $75.
Profited $75 does not include paying accounts and higher up positions...so not telling at the end how much more was drained off.

Now the above numbers are WAY off...but just made up to reference the argument. All those times money went to county electric, private insurance companies, land owner and company that ran the merchant service and all there cost.

What you do not understand because your head seems to be stuck in your ass with blinders on...is the fact that one man at the head of a major corporation influenced MANY MANY MANY other companies bottom lines. No company out there is self sufficient and all the money they make stays in house. Not even wal-mart. The movie you spend with other companies gets handed off to other companies that pay their bills. Without these large companies many other larger companies and TONS of smaller companies would fail.

[05dc5s]

I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

BUT

2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



FYI:

I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?

Out of curiosity is it the amount of profit that bothers you or the percentage of your "perception" of the cost amount?

Should profit be determined by a fixed amount or should it be regulated by a free market with supply and demand determining the price?

Also, is it anyone other than your responsibility to determine where the product was made and if you should spend your money on it?

You don't agree with the importing of goods yet you race a car made in Canada with a motor made in Japan?

Each corporation is allowed to build here but that is not why they all don't. Do you know why they do not? Do you really know the reason why that product was made in China and not in the U.S.?

[geoff]

Nice to see some intelligent responses in here. It's really old hearing "have the rich pay their fair share".

[geoff]

The middle class will never rule this country, you have lobbyists, unions, ect... The rich rule because they are the ones who invest and take risks. They provide the research and development, they provide the jobs and they pay the most in taxes. It's also the evil rich who offer u healthcare through your company and give you a retirement plan. The liberals and government won't provide for you and won't fix ur problems. You fix the economy by providing incentives for large corporations to keep work here at home. This country needs to get greedy and stingy and fix itself. No one ever got rich by throwing away money like the Obama administration has.

[Sinfix_15]

I cant afford to pay more taxes. When my bills are do, i cant raise the debt limit or raise taxes to pay them. I have to balance my own budget and live within my means. I want our government to do the same thing they ask me to do. If the government balances their budget, gets rid of stupid spending and actually works like every other person in the united states rather than sitting in a room circle jerking each other and they still cant cut the debt.... then lets talk about raising taxes. Until then....... raising taxes feels like i handing my credit card to a 12 year old. Our government is not competent. They need to prove that they are before asking anything more of me. We're not in debt because i skipped out on the check, myself and every one else here paid our taxes..... it's the government who isnt keeping up their end of the bargain. if i dont do my job, i get fired. if i dont pay my bills, my lights get turned off........

time to start firing people and cutting the lights off in the white house. Last thing we need to do is hand these idiots more money. They need to prove their worth before asking for any more of mine.

[BanginJimmy]

FYI:

I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?

I will come back and respond more to this later but I want to point this out now.

If thoae boots cost $140 being made in China at $20 a pair, what would they cost if they were made here? $400? Maybe more?

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[Vteckidd]

if you want to end Chinese goods thats fine, but just realize that the cost of goods here will quadruple overnight.

Flatscreen TVs for $500? GONE
Iphones for $199? GONE
Walmart? GONE
PS3s for $299? GONE

EVERYTHING YOU OWN IS MADE IN CHINA. From cell phones , to clothes, to vacuum cleaners, to furniture, car parts, etc. If you outlaw the chinese goods you are asking the poor to pay MORE for goods , that in itself is massive inflation on the "poor".

AMERICAN MADE Is done, its not coming back. Our population is too addicted to buying cheap goods.

[Vteckidd]

Last point i make is Romneys wealth doesnt bother me, i want someone rich and successful in the White House. I want someone that knows how to streamline a budget and make cuts and has done it before.

The problem we face right now is nobody wants to deal with the hard choices. No one in politics wants to tell the American People "WE FUCKED UP, WE PROMISED YOU THINGS WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY YOU, IT HAS TO CHANGE"

Take SS. WE KNOW ITS BANKRUPT. We know its unsustainable, but do we want to fix it? NOPE. Anytime someone says "reform" they run ads of old people being thrown off cliffs or Pelosi talks about feeding dog food to the elderly and shit.

People bash Romney because he laid people off here, or shut down a company there, his job was to invest in companies and make them profitable. SOmetimes, you have to lay people off.

DOnt blow sunshine up my ass, deal with the problem and give it to me straight

[Vteckidd]

LOL typical.

ROmney made his money investing with firms like Bain Capital. He made businesses more efficient, bought and sold companies, expanded them, etc. We encourage investment in this country by offering CAPITAL GAINS PROFIT taxed at a lower rate.

If you make $100,000, you pay 35% in taxes= $$65000

If you take that $65000 and invest say, $10,000 in the stock market, and after a year you end up profiting $10,000, that $10,000 in PROFIT, you only pay 15% in taxes. The reason? Because your INITIAL investment ($10,000) Was already taxed at 35%, so to encourage you to INVEST that money, they say "hey, if you stick this in the stock market, you wont pay the regular 35% income tax YOU ALREADY PAID, youll pay a lower rate"

Romney lives off investing MILLIONS in the stock market and then living off the MILLIONS he makes in the stock market, which is taxed at 15%. Hes not cheating anything, hes using the law that presidents long before him and Obama passed.

FYI all you guys who are BOO HOO On investing, you realize investing helps companies GROW right? Why do you think Stock exists? You offer stock to raise capital (WHY ITS CAUSED CAPITAL GAINS).

WOrkers are free to choose what company they should work for. If you dont like your wage, change your career. I did it. I was tired of working for small businesses in the car industry being paid $8/hr, so i got out of it, STARTED MY OWN BUSINESS , Sold it and got into IT .

If you start a company, you should be able to pay yourself all you want

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Civic your a moron. At least Romney has some experience in the world....where as Obama pulled his head out of the sand and ran for President with no valuable experience in anything.

Come on man. Lol. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. This is what's making the right look bad.

[MachNU]

Come on man. Lol. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. This is what's making the right look bad.

Really? Give me one shred of evidence that shows Obama really did "anything" that was creditable to being in office vs Romney.

[Sinfix_15]

Come on man. Lol. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. This is what's making the right look bad.

Obama was the least experienced president in US history. He will go down as the worst president in american history.

[Vteckidd]

Obama was definelty the most inexperienced president we have had. Usually presidents are long time serving congressional figures, governors. etc.

Gerald Ford-Vice President, 14 years in Congress
Carter- Governor of Georgia
Reagan-Governor of California
Bush SR- Vice President of the USA
Clinton-Governor of Arkansas, Ran his own Law Practice
Bush W- Governor of Texas, Owned the Rangers

Obama had 3 years in the US senate( 2 were spent campaigning) and was a community organizer. Never had a real job in the private sector , wasnt and executive, didnt have any significant legislative accomplishments, etc He was extremely inexperienced. I think he had like 5 years in the Illinois state legislature which really doesnt count for much compared to his predecessors.

I always thought we should have elected Hilary with Obama as the VP, Obama would be poised to run in 2016.

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I guess you'll both be happy to know our next president will be a former president of the united states. How's that for experience?

[Vteckidd]

I guess you'll both be happy to know our next president will be a former president of the united states. How's that for experience?

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We were talking about candidate experience. its not a negative thing to say that Obama was the most inexperienced person we have elected in the last 30-40 years, maybe ever.

Romney has been a Governor of a major state, hes run a business, hes been successful, it helps to have BOTH Executive experience as well as private sector. Clinton had it, Bush had it, Reagan had it, Bush Sr had it, Carter had it, etc.

Obama has no private sector experience, and very very LITTLE legislative experience, and had ZERO executive experience, and frankly it shows. He doesnt know how to legislate, he doesnt know how to govern, he only knows how to trash the other side and get elected. The only thing he knows how to do is to be bipartisan when its politcally expediant, like extending the bush taxcuts.

[MachNU]

I guess you'll both be happy to know our next president will be a former president of the united states. How's that for experience?

Obama wont win. He is going to go down in history as the worse president ever. No ifs ands or buts. He has done ZERO in his time in office other than take away some freedoms (Obamacare) and more too the debt in one term than any other president has in history, probably even a few presidential terms combined.

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We were talking about candidate experience. its not a negative thing to say that Obama was the most inexperienced person we have elected in the last 30-40 years, maybe ever.

Romney has been a Governor of a major state, hes run a business, hes been successful, it helps to have BOTH Executive experience as well as private sector. Clinton had it, Bush had it, Reagan had it, Bush Sr had it, Carter had it, etc.

Obama has no private sector experience, and very very LITTLE legislative experience, and had ZERO executive experience.

This. Romney may not be the best choice...but in comparison to the two...he is lightyears ahead as a better choice. If you can only chose two bad candidates might as well go with the best of the bunch.

[Vteckidd]

Obama wont win. He is going to go down in history as the worse president ever. No ifs ands or buts. He has done ZERO in his time in office other than take away some freedoms (Obamacare) and more too the debt in one term than any other president has in history, probably even a few presidential terms combined.

i wouldnt say that, itll be a very very close race. Obama has a very good shot at winning, he has the entire media in his pocket.

[nelson9995]

[QUOTE=MachNU;39427856]Obama wont win. He is going to go down in history as the worse president ever. No ifs ands or buts. He has done ZERO in his time in office other than take away some freedoms (Obamacare) and more too the debt in one term than any other president has in history, probably even a few presidential terms combined.
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you sure are an idiot.

[Browning151]

I guess you'll both be happy to know our next president will be a former president of the united states. How's that for experience?

Come on man. Lol. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about.

In all reality most politicians are "out of touch" to a certain extent. At least Romney has some real world leadership experience, Obama's biggest strength was his ability to speak.........with a teleprompter.............and use catchy phrases.

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In all reality most politicians are "out of touch" to a certain extent. At least Romney has some real world leadership experience, Obama's biggest strength was his ability to speak.........with a teleprompter.............and use catchy phrases.

We're still doing the teleprompter thing? Lol. I dunno if you know how the teleprompter works.

[Browning151]

We're still doing the teleprompter thing? Lol. I dunno if you know how the teleprompter works.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's still doing the teleprompter thing.

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He will go down as the worst president in american history.

Won't happen. Not with the end of a conflict and the killing of some major terrorist figureheads under his belt.

[Sinfix_15]

Won't happen. Not with the end of a conflict and the killing of some major terrorist figureheads under his belt.

This being all you have to come back with, proves my point.



I understand how i would feel if i were black and the first black president was such a let down...... but it is what it is, cant sprinkle any more sugar on this one.

[MachNU]

Won't happen. Not with the end of a conflict and the killing of some major terrorist figureheads under his belt.

Your a moron. I mean wow...you shouldnt even be voting.

Obama WILL and I mean WILL go down in history as the worst president ever. 50 years from know, kids will be reading in there text book, about the president who spent more money in one term than any president has in 2 terms. Took away freedoms by getting Obamacare passed. Did NOT end a conflict. Had a major terrorist figurehead killed from an operation started by the previous president. Had the gas prices double in his term. Had the unemployment rate go higher than ever before in history. Only president ever to raise the debt ceiling. Played more games of golf in one term than any president in two terms combined. Spent more days on vacation in one term than any president in history. Sent his family on more trips on Air Force one, spending tons of tax payer money to fund there trips than any president in history. Been on more talk shows than ALL presidents combined in the last 50 years.

You could keep going on. He is literally the worse president in history and someone who would say otherwise is a moron, idiot, fool, blockhead, bonehead, cretin, dimwit, dork, dumbbell, dunce, fool, ignoramus, imbecile, jerk, kook, moron, muttonhead, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, out to lunch, pinhead, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit, etc.

Blank...which is ironic, you have yet to give ONE FACT as to ONE thing and I mean ONE thing that he has done that benefited the nation during his last term.

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Your a moron. I mean wow...you shouldnt even be voting.

Obama WILL and I mean WILL go down in history as the worst president ever. 50 years from know, kids will be reading in there text book, about the president who spent more money in one term than any president has in 2 terms. Took away freedoms by getting Obamacare passed. Did NOT end a conflict. Had a major terrorist figurehead killed from an operation started by the previous president. Had the gas prices double in his term. Had the unemployment rate go higher than ever before in history. Only president ever to raise the debt ceiling. Played more games of golf in one term than any president in two terms combined. Spent more days on vacation in one term than any president in history. Sent his family on more trips on Air Force one, spending tons of tax payer money to fund there trips than any president in history. Been on more talk shows than ALL presidents combined in the last 50 years.

You could keep going on. He is literally the worse president in history and someone who would say otherwise is a moron, idiot, fool, blockhead, bonehead, cretin, dimwit, dork, dumbbell, dunce, fool, ignoramus, imbecile, jerk, kook, moron, muttonhead, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, out to lunch, pinhead, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit, etc.

Blank...which is ironic, you have yet to give ONE FACT as to ONE thing and I mean ONE thing that he has done that benefited the nation during his last term.

I'm not even gonna bother cause you've shown you're one of those stubborn conservatives who reject facts if they don't confirm their own beliefs (this is called confirmation or confirmatory bias). I could tell you Obama ended world hunger and you'd still believe he's the anti-Christ. That's the problem with the system is that people like that have the same voice as people that are actually informed, and most of the time they end up being MORE vocal than the intelligent ones.

[MachNU]

I'm not even gonna bother cause you've shown you're one of those stubborn conservatives who reject facts if they don't confirm their own beliefs (this is called confirmation or confirmatory bias). I could tell you Obama ended world hunger and you'd still believe he's the anti-Christ. That's the problem with the system is that people like that have the same voice as people that are actually informed, and most of the time they end up being MORE vocal than the intelligent ones.

Your a fucking moron. buhahahahahahah its literally comical. You have brought NOTHING too the table to even support your invisible and fictional argument.

Blank I will post this question large so you do not miss it...

BLANK POST UP ONE PIECE OF FACTIONAL PROOF THAT OBAMA HAS DONE SOMETHING FOR THE ENTIRE NATION AS A WHOLE. SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT MAKE HIM THE WORSE PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST IN THIS SECTION AT LEAST POST SOMETHING FACTIONAL, NOT JUST MAKE COMMENTS WITH LESS THAN ZERO BASES TOO THEM. IF YOU CANNOT GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SECTION.

I hope I made that large enough for you. I hate people like you. Blank you are the morons of this country that vote as a whole with moronic choices. I bet you voted for Obama because he was going to make a change, he was going to pay for your gas, etc.

[MachNU]

I'm not even gonna bother cause you've shown you're one of those stubborn conservatives who reject facts if they don't confirm their own beliefs (this is called confirmation or confirmatory bias). I could tell you Obama ended world hunger and you'd still believe he's the anti-Christ. That's the problem with the system is that people like that have the same voice as people that are actually informed, and most of the time they end up being MORE vocal than the intelligent ones.

This is a PERFECT reply to you Blank.

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

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You are really bringing the intelligence level of this section down, but I suppose I'll play your game if you want. Lol

First president in American history to publicly endorse marriage equality.