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    It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.
    Yep. Most of the super wealthy are self employed and no one self employed makes it too the top solo. They hire people and use the hard working people below them to build a corporation. Its the way the world works. So when you tax those wealthy and it does it up the unemployment rate. Shit rolls down hill and so do taxes. Now I do agree on a flat tax across the board, but increasing taxes on the rich is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    It's simole economics really...it's the "evil" rich men that give the middle class their jobs. The world is run by the super wealthy not the middle class. That's just the way the world works. Romney has the personal wealth he does by having "middle class" citizens work for him. I bet those same workers are very happy and well off. Obama has shown exactly what he can do as "CEO" of the USA...5 trillion in debt in 3 years.
    I agree, but that is the problem no one seems to care about? Do we let the rich/wealthy continue to run this country, or do we make change?

    I myself could not fix the problem, but we as people can, and it would take years to fix what has happen, but greed, and wealth is not the answer,

    IMO!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1civic View Post
    I agree, but that is the problem no one seems to care about? Do we let the rich/wealthy continue to run this country, or do we make change?

    I myself could not fix the problem, and it would take years to fix what has happen, but greed, and wealth is not the answer, IMO!!
    This blows my mind! How stupid. LOL.

    How else would this nation run? Without the rich people building corporations, hiring tens of thousands of people, how would this nation survive? Who would create the jobs, who would create the possessions that people spend money on too further other business along?

    Civic, here is a question for you....why dont you hire someone? Put a add on AJCJobs, Craigslist, Monster, whatever asking to hire someone.

    Saw your edit for the last part...

    Greed and wealth is the answer. Which, how do you call someone being successful and creating a vast wealth greedy? Is it there fault that they figured out how to become part of the 1% in the nation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MachNU View Post
    This blows my mind! How stupid. LOL.

    How else would this nation run? Without the rich people building corporations, hiring tens of thousands of people, how would this nation survive? Who would create the jobs, who would create the possessions that people spend money on too further other business along?

    Civic, here is a question for you....why dont you hire someone? Put a add on AJCJobs, Craigslist, Monster, whatever asking to hire someone.

    Saw your edit for the last part...

    Greed and wealth is the answer. Which, how do you call someone being successful and creating a vast wealth greedy? Is it there fault that they figured out how to become part of the 1% in the nation?
    I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

    1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

    BUT

    2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


    America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

    By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



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    I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

    I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1civic View Post
    I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

    1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

    BUT

    2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


    America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

    By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



    FYI:

    I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

    I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?
    I cannot express....how idiotic that sounds.

    Business owned/run by the workers!?!?!?!! What the fuck! <----actually had to spell that out

    What do you call the workers that RUN and OPERATE the business? The owners. Over time, they will expand creating more jobs hiring people, then is they are successful they will expand some more and hire more people. Then they will become executives and rich owners who will hire more people. The owners will in turn spend there money on luxury based business that are mostly self owned and increase the profit revenues of that business. That was in a quick nutshell.

    What you are describing is a communist country. You want everyone to be equal. You are someone who is jealous of the wealthy because you cannot obtain it. There is nothing wrong with minimum wage. Do you want someone flipping fries to be getting paid $20 an hour?

    Also your boot, let me break it down for you. Since you think that all the money went over seas for the boot. Those boots that you paid $140 for...I am SPIT BALLING HERE as I do not know exact costs...

    But that shoe was made in Chine...at probably <$10 per boot. That brings us down too $130.
    A company transported it here...no telling what nationality owned it...but say in a massive load out of that shoe another $5 went to shipping that went into another businesses revenues...$125
    Shoe left customs/port, was transported to the store...say $10 out of that shoe. That money went into another companies revenues to pay employees and cost. $115
    Shoe arrived at store, and employee was paid to price the shoe, move the shoe through inventory and display the shoe... total cost from employee $10... $105
    Shoe gets sold to a foolish customer overpaying for a luxury item, employee has to ring the shoe up, box the shoe, do whatever for the shoe to sale it... $5....$100.
    Shoe sat on display for a short time, so all the days that the store opened...using electricity, employees to run the store, insurance for employees and customers, rent fees and merchant service fees... total cost out of that shoe....$25....$75.
    Company profited $75.
    Profited $75 does not include paying accounts and higher up positions...so not telling at the end how much more was drained off.

    Now the above numbers are WAY off...but just made up to reference the argument. All those times money went to county electric, private insurance companies, land owner and company that ran the merchant service and all there cost.

    What you do not understand because your head seems to be stuck in your ass with blinders on...is the fact that one man at the head of a major corporation influenced MANY MANY MANY other companies bottom lines. No company out there is self sufficient and all the money they make stays in house. Not even wal-mart. The movie you spend with other companies gets handed off to other companies that pay their bills. Without these large companies many other larger companies and TONS of smaller companies would fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1civic View Post
    I would have to type for hours trying to get my point across, but I will try to make it short..

    1. I don't think wealth is the answer, nor do I agree with the way the corporations are run!

    BUT

    2. I do see a business being owned/run by the workers!


    America IMO has lost grasp of the simple concept of living, do we really need all this money? Even then, you say the rich create jobs, but yet what is min wage now? And how much does it cost to live? Greed is not the answer!!

    By all means, if you have the ability to obtain wealth, do it without effecting the rest of america...



    FYI:

    I just paid 140 for some boots made in china, but I thought were made in america.. Now how does this help us? They lie to get my money, then pay the china man to make for 20buks... SMH!!

    I don't agree with the importing of goods, since we could allow each and every corporation to build here, but where are the incentives whenn they can pay little to no money to open shop in china? Do you guys agree with this?
    Out of curiosity is it the amount of profit that bothers you or the percentage of your "perception" of the cost amount?

    Should profit be determined by a fixed amount or should it be regulated by a free market with supply and demand determining the price?

    Also, is it anyone other than your responsibility to determine where the product was made and if you should spend your money on it?

    You don't agree with the importing of goods yet you race a car made in Canada with a motor made in Japan?

    Each corporation is allowed to build here but that is not why they all don't. Do you know why they do not? Do you really know the reason why that product was made in China and not in the U.S.?
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