If you're still undecided

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Actually it sounded like the argument was mostly over. You agreed man is affecting climate change and that your real concern was about how liberals use it to forward an agenda. Questioning political agenda is definitely valid as is questioning scientific findings with an actual scientific basis. But, questioning a scientific finding simply because it helps a political rival is not valid.

If we agree that the scientific finding is valid, we can move on the real issue which is what is the appropriate response. That is a discussion worth having.

I dont believe its valid on the scale that they want to advance the narrative, how about that. I have NOT seen any credible evidence that climate change IE mans existence has impacted NEGATIVELY the climate we live in. Alaska is still cold, hawaii is still hot. I think both sides can make an argument, but not an infallible one.

I also can concede that man probably has had SOME impact on the environment but to what extent we cannot possibly know conclusively. If youre asking me if man causes polution? sure. does pollution cause climate change? not conclusively. not IMO.

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I dont believe its valid on the scale that they want to advance the narrative, how about that.

That sounds like a valid position to me even though I disagree.

I have NOT seen any credible evidence that climate change IE mans existence has impacted NEGATIVELY the climate we live in. Alaska is still cold, hawaii is still hot. I think both sides can make an argument, but not an infallible one.

I hope you don't think the evidence is as simple as "Alaska is still cold". I know it's refered to as global warming but many places on earth will actually get colder, that's why climate change is a more appropraite term. This is not a simple issue so you will not get obvious (to laymen such as you and me) evidence until it is already a huge problem.

I also can concede that man probably has had SOME impact on the environment but to what extent we cannot possibly know conclusively. If youre asking me if man causes polution? sure. does pollution cause climate change? not conclusively. not IMO.

What does your opinion have to do with this? Don't take it personally because my opinion doesn't matter either. Neither of us have truly studied the issue in depth necessary to make such judgements on our own. That's why I defer to those who have taken the time to look at the data and use emperical methods.