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    Default NRLB vs Boeing

    http://www.google.com/search?q=boein...ient=firefox-a


    There is a link to a google search on the fight between the NRLB and Boeing.


    What do you think? Can Boeing put a plant wherever it wants, or should they need Union approval to build a new plant?


    IMO, Boeing can build a plant anywhere they want, regardless of what the Union or NRLB says. In this case, no jobs were lost in Washington St. so the Union has not been damaged in any possible way.

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    From my understanding, the law only prevents a company from retaliation. So Boeing could not only build a South Carolina plant but also fire every Washington worker as long as there was a business reason for it and it was not done as a retalitory act for strikes.

    This of course is a matter of intent. The only way for the NRLB to win this one would be to prove there is no reasonable business case for the new plant or that Boeing plans to use it in retailiation (e.g., email from CEO stating such intent). Seems unlikely Boeing will lose this one.

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    It has all seemed pretty ridiculous to me from the beginning, and just another reason that I think unions in most cases have become too powerful. If Boeing loses this I think it sets a precedent that could continue to force more jobs out of the country. The more BS companies have to go through to operate here, the less likely they are to expand and create jobs here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    From my understanding, the law only prevents a company from retaliation. So Boeing could not only build a South Carolina plant but also fire every Washington worker as long as there was a business reason for it and it was not done as a retalitory act for strikes.

    This of course is a matter of intent. The only way for the NRLB to win this one would be to prove there is no reasonable business case for the new plant or that Boeing plans to use it in retailiation (e.g., email from CEO stating such intent). Seems unlikely Boeing will lose this one.
    The NRLB is trying to say that Boeing's proposal to open an additional plant in Washington in exchange for a guarantee of no work stoppages constitutes retaliation. However, the Labor Relations Act, or whatever it is called, allows a company to use prior union work stoppages as a viable reasoning. So like you said, I think the law sides with Boeing.

    On the other hand, the 5 member NRLB is made up of 3 dem appointees and 2 GOP appointees. To this point this has always been a political battle, not a legal battle, and the NRLB will side with the Unions. Boeing will have no choice but to send a HUGE sum of money fighting this in the courts. BTW, this case will also cost the tax payers millions in legal fees and it may delay the start of more than 1k jobs in Charleston SC.

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    It would be unfortunate if the NRLB is doing this for nothing more than political gain but it is rather hard to know their motivation for sure. It certainly is plausable that a company could retaliate against a union by creating another plant with the plan of eventually laying off all those striking workers at some point in the future. For that reason, I am not ready to condemn the NRLB out of hand.

    Have they brought these kinds of lawsuits up before only to continually lose them? If so, that might point to a malicious intent. Having more Dems than Reps is not enough evidence for me to accuse them of doing anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    Have they brought these kinds of lawsuits up before only to continually lose them? If so, that might point to a malicious intent. Having more Dems than Reps is not enough evidence for me to accuse them of doing anything wrong.
    I did some very quick and not very thorough look on the NRLB website and a few google searches. A couple articles I read said this is the first lawsuit of its kind from the NRLB.

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    Yea, pretty shotty how this is happening to Boeing. If it were my company, why shouldn't I be able to open up another facility in another city? That's like saying a person couldn't move his family to another subdivision... the HOA needs me to continue to be the one to cut my grass and maintain my yard to allow everyone else's house value up... I say 'screw you, I'm moving!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahabion View Post
    Yea, pretty shotty how this is happening to Boeing. If it were my company, why shouldn't I be able to open up another facility in another city? That's like saying a person couldn't move his family to another subdivision... the HOA needs me to continue to be the one to cut my grass and maintain my yard to allow everyone else's house value up... I say 'screw you, I'm moving!'
    Except that the crux of the issue isn't whether the employees need the jobs or not. It's whether it is retaliation for workers standing up for their rights. If it is determined that it is not retaliation, Boeing can absolutely start a new plant in another state and the workers can't stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    Except that the crux of the issue isn't whether the employees need the jobs or not. It's whether it is retaliation for workers standing up for their rights. If it is determined that it is not retaliation, Boeing can absolutely start a new plant in another state and the workers can't stop them.
    As I have already said, this issue has moved from legal to political. Unless someone puts some pressure on the NRLB, they will find with the union. It will then go into federal court in the 9th Circuit, or Circus as my criminal law teacher called it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    As I have already said, this issue has moved from legal to political. Unless someone puts some pressure on the NRLB, they will find with the union. It will then go into federal court in the 9th Circuit, or Circus as my criminal law teacher called it.
    If there really is no evidence of this being retaliation, can't Boeing counter sue against them for a frivilous suit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    If there really is no evidence of this being retaliation, can't Boeing counter sue against them for a frivilous suit?
    That's a good question. I have no clue.

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