Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
You aren't giving the rich anything at all - they are just keeping more of their own money. The government just takes less from them - the money that the rich already earned and own. The government is not giving them anything. It isn't welfare if they are not being given anything - instead they are keeping the money that they earned. This is how capitalism works.

Now, taking the money from those that earned it, and then giving it to those who did not earn it is called wealth redistribution, and is a cornerstone of socialism. That is how you create a true welfare state, complete with those that live on the meager subsitance that the government gives them.

While I have no problem with giving someone a foothold to build their life from, do you really think that the government should be giving people so much that they become comfortable with not working? I suggest that you research Seebohm Rowntree's 1910 study on poverty in York, England. If you want the short story from it, watch "A Life Without Work" on BBC.

You are talking to a not very smart hardcore liberal. Anything that doesnt align perfectly with his beliefs he will simply ignore as lies.