Mosque 2 blocks from Ground Zero

[cm7k24]

Those 2 mosques were there before the attacks and the fact that no one has said anything negative about them proves your own, and Blender's, point wrong. No one cares about them because they are not tributes to the terrorists that flew those planes.

BTW, muslims have a long history of building mosques and other monuments on the sites of religious victories or victories over infidels.

just a wiki answers page, but i'm too lazy to do more research.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_muslims...med_victory_on

That is the absolutely stupidest thing i have read,
so you truly think that because 9/11 happened that the Muslim EXTREMIST did, and now to pay off 9 years later,
the other Muslims want to build a Mosque to show victory. get out of here,
first of, for going by WIKI. that can be changed by anyone out there,
and second. have you ever asked any Muslim if they like what happened that day or support it in any way?,
or if all Muslims go by what the extremist do.
my guess is no you havent.. People here just go by what the media tells them. one HANDFULL of just happened to be from Islam did this.
so now all of us Muslims are bad.

Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
I see it the opposite way. I see it as a middle finger to the innocent people that died and a monument to the terrorists.
Once again.
There no intention to pointed middle fingers for anyone. the spot they happened to find just happens to be near it.
so if was a little bit farther down, would it make a difference. no. the media just wants attention.
go look at the real new in the middle east and see whats going on over there. with all this support to make Peace. Bull shit.
all the support is going to Israel and what are they doing? Bombing school. and you hear nothing about that on the american media.

[BanginJimmy]

That is the absolutely stupidest thing i have read,
so you truly think that because 9/11 happened that the Muslim EXTREMIST did, and now to pay off 9 years later,
the other Muslims want to build a Mosque to show victory. get out of here,
first of, for going by WIKI. that can be changed by anyone out there,
and second. have you ever asked any Muslim if they like what happened that day or support it in any way?,
or if all Muslims go by what the extremist do.
my guess is no you havent.. People here just go by what the media tells them. one HANDFULL of just happened to be from Islam did this.
so now all of us Muslims are bad.

Show me the proof I am wrong. Show me the proof that a muslim culture to build a mosque over the site of a religious victory isnt real.

You happen to be one of those that simply goes by what the media tells them. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

If this mosque was all about peace and unity like the imam says it is, why wont he even talk to the governor about another site? Do you think building it in a place where most people dont want it will help bridge gaps or expand them?

I dont care of muslims like it or dont like it. I have yet to see a unified message from the American muslim population condemning it. I have yet to see any kind of message from the muslim world condemning it. What we do have are massive celebrations all over the muslim world immediately after the attacks.

There no intention to pointed middle fingers for anyone.

Are you in some way connected to this imam to know this? yea, didnt think so.

so if was a little bit farther down, would it make a difference. no. the media just wants attention.

Actually it would, as proven by the fact that 2 other mosques that are near the site have not even been discussed.

go look at the real new in the middle east and see whats going on over there. with all this support to make Peace. Bull shit.
all the support is going to Israel and what are they doing? Bombing school. and you hear nothing about that on the american media.

I am all for bombing schools when you have Hamas setting up their rockets on top of schools and hospitals. Do you think hamas cares about hitting a school or hospital?

[bafbrian]

Show me the proof I am wrong. Show me the proof that a muslim culture to build a mosque over the site of a religious victory isnt real.

You happen to be one of those that simply goes by what the media tells them. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

If this mosque was all about peace and unity like the imam says it is, why wont he even talk to the governor about another site? Do you think building it in a place where most people dont want it will help bridge gaps or expand them?

I dont care of muslims like it or dont like it. I have yet to see a unified message from the American muslim population condemning it. I have yet to see any kind of message from the muslim world condemning it. What we do have are massive celebrations all over the muslim world immediately after the attacks.

Are you in some way connected to this imam to know this? yea, didnt think so.

Actually it would, as proven by the fact that 2 other mosques that are near the site have not even been discussed.

I am all for bombing schools when you have Hamas setting up their rockets on top of schools and hospitals. Do you think hamas cares about hitting a school or hospital?

I don't disagree with you on the point of building mosques on top of other holy sites, but in all fairness, Muslims aren't the only ones in history that have built religion buildings over the ruins another group or culture based around a particular religion, Christians were doing it long before them, but you failed to mention this in any post. But, you will continually state Muslims do it as if they are the only ones.

I agree with you on the notion that this individual probably listens to the media and regurgitates that same statements as his own without any independent thought. Frankly, that is what is driving this whole mosque controversy in my opinion. One side says one thing and the other counters and vice versa and a large portion of Americans accept that as their own opinion without any independent thought, thus turning them into "sheeple".

Regarding the Imam, the reason why we can assume he doesn't want to move the Mosque is because he doesn't have to. If they choose to build a mosque on private property, with private funds, then the letter of the law says they can and there is little to nothing the state government can do about. The moment that he isn't allowed to, we have rewritten law(s) illegal, thus setting a precedent for future instances wherein if the public disagrees with something, the government can step in nullify any such action.

In all honesty, if it would make a difference to move it down, how much further down would it have to move to be ok? Is there any distance far enough? Can we honestly lie to ourselves and say that their is a distance which would make the mosque favorable? Because of the events of 9/11, there will continue to be a stigma aimed at Muslims merely because they are Muslims who are perceived as violent, mindless terrorists, hell bent on world domination, and for no other reasons. As long this perception continues, IMHO, it wouldn't matter where the mosque would be built, someone is going to have a problem with it as seen in Murfeesboro, TN. There were no violent acts committed in the area, no bombings, no Islamic fanatics marching the streets voicing to people to convert or face annihilation, but what it was was good ole American ignorance and fear directed at a group who wanted to build a mosque there and because of a now embedded stigma branded onto all Muslims, fear and ignorance prevailed in this instance. Until the day that changes, the stigma will remain.

Regarding Hamas, using schools and hospitals is disgraceful, but since they are not regulated by the Geneva Conventions (although the US hasn't signed to 2 of the provisions ourselves), as such, they can use their facilities as shields, as messed up as it is. They would rather be cowards instead of confronting their enemy head-on.

[Browning151]

Regarding the Imam, the reason why we can assume he doesn't want to move the Mosque is because he doesn't have to. If they choose to build a mosque on private property, with private funds, then the letter of the law says they can and there is little to nothing the state government can do about. The moment that he isn't allowed to, we have rewritten law(s) illegal, thus setting a precedent for future instances wherein if the public disagrees with something, the government can step in nullify any such action.

I think pretty much everyone here agrees that gov't should not be involved in the decision, whether you think it should be built or not they have a constitutional right to do so and the gov't needs to stay out of it.

In all honesty, if it would make a difference to move it down, how much further down would it have to move to be ok? Is there any distance far enough? Can we honestly lie to ourselves and say that their is a distance which would make the mosque favorable?

A building that wasn't damaged during the attack would be less inflammatory to some people, but as you said, there are some people who will simply never be satisfied in any case. I chalk that up to blind ignorance.

Because of the events of 9/11, there will continue to be a stigma aimed at Muslims merely because they are Muslims who are perceived as violent, mindless terrorists, hell bent on world domination, and for no other reasons. As long this perception continues, IMHO, it wouldn't matter where the mosque would be built, someone is going to have a problem with it as seen in Murfeesboro, TN. There were no violent acts committed in the area, no bombings, no Islamic fanatics marching the streets voicing to people to convert or face annihilation, but what it was was good ole American ignorance and fear directed at a group who wanted to build a mosque there and because of a now embedded stigma branded onto all Muslims, fear and ignorance prevailed in this instance. Until the day that changes, the stigma will remain.

It's not just 9/11 that has attached a stigma to Islam, and Muslims in general. The majority, if not nearly all, of large scale terror attacks or attempts over the past decade have been carried out by Islamic extremists. That is what has attached a stigma and instilled a fear of Islam in many people, especially those who follow mainstream media and do nothing more that regurgitate talking points.