I dont know them so I have no clue.Originally Posted by bu villain
Least likely doesnt make it impossible.
I didnt agree to anything. I've already said I know nothing of their intentions. I've said multiple times and in certain situations perception is more important than reality and this is one of them.
You don't seem to be all that interested in seeking the reality in this situation either. A simple google search or browsing Wikipedia for a few minutes will find you plenty of information on how the Imam is a moderate and Sufis are a peaceful, moderate, pro-West sect.
Wahabbi's (OBL, Al Qaeda, and such) hate Sufi's probably more than they hate US. Sufi Islam has more in common with Christian and Jewish mysticism than it does with Shia/Sunni/Wahabbi Islam.
As far as the release of al Megrahi, that was the BP and the British gov't making an oil deal with Libya. You'll have to take that up with the Brits, and I don't seen how that has anything to do with G-0 or the Cordoba/Park 51 project anyway.
The fact of the situation is that you don't want to know. You ask others to do the research for you and then bash it without even examining it.
It sounds like you are saying that perceptions coming from ignorance are somehow valid. I am surprised because you don't normally argue that public perception should trump constitutional freedoms.
No one is questioning constitutional freedoms. I dont know where you liberals are getting this idea from. Maybe the same journalists that make up the jorno-list? People are against it because because of the perception and because it is definitely in bad taste.
How is calling me a liberal and questioning where I get my information helpful at all in this debate? (Btw, I listen to right wing talk radio daily and never watch TV).
If the imam claimed this was a monument to terrorism I would agree the mosque is in bad taste. If I held all Muslims or Islam itself responsible for 9/11 I would agree the mosque is in bad taste.
Since I don't see clear evidence otherwise (only conjecture), I view this as reasonable Muslims trying to build a place of worship (and swimming). I am honestly trying to understand why the opponents feel the way they do.
I do hold the muslim religion as a major contributor to the attacks on 9/11 as I do with just about every other terrorist attack over the last 3 decades.
No you arent because there has been plenty of reasons that people are against this site and you simply ignore them and change the subject. You, and those like you, say anyone that doesnt want it there is a racist/biggot/whatever else. I am friends with a couple of muslims, one of them very devout, and they are perfectly ok with my beliefs. I dont trust muslims as a whole and probably never will. They have earned that mistrust and until they do something to earn trust back I will continue about my ways with no problems.
So because of a few individuals bad choices, you can hold an entire group of people for it? and saying that nearly 1/4 of the worlds population has the mind set as that...
1. I wouldnt call it a few individuals, it is entire facets of the religion. Considering you have the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qeada and on and on all wanting to see Americans die for no other reason than they are American.
2. You call suicide bombing a bad choice? What about setting up silkworm rockets on top of schools and hospitals? Just another bad choice? I would hate to see what you call murderistic mindset if trying to kill as many people as possible a bad choice.
3. Yes, I am saying that 1/4 of the world's population has that mind set.
Any other stupid questions?
Ok now we are getting somewhere!
Until your last post, I have never heard a single major opponent say their feelings were based in mistrust of all muslims. Now that you have made it clear, I understand why you feel the way you do (even though I don't feel the same way). Also, please point out in any post I ever made where I called you a racist, bigot, or any other deragotory term.
Thanks for your honesty. I wish we got that much from our elected officials.
Dont get the facts twisted. My mistrust of muslims has little to do with my opposition to this mosque. One of my major problems is that their publicly professed reasonings doesnt line up with the facts. They say they want to build it to show solidarity and to help bridge the divides between muslim and American cultures, but their actions go completely against that. If you want to bring about a measure of good will you dont tell someone "this is hows its going to be and I dont care if you like it or not". Do they have that right? Damn right they do and as mush as I am against the mosque, I am FAR more against that kind of abuse by the govt.
Maybe I am confusing you with someone else, but the fact still remains that anytime someone speaks up against Obama, against this mosque, in favor of the AZ immigration law, they are called a racist. Hell, these days the only thing you have to do to qualify as a racist to the lefties is be conservative.
I believe you will find strong bi-partisan support from anyone outside the beltway or state establishments in this area.
[QUOTE=BanginJimmy;39109523]I do hold the muslim religion as a major contributor to the attacks on 9/11 as I do with just about every other terrorist attack over the last 3 decades.
Usually, I agree by what you say on your discussions but this statement has to be stupidest I have ever read by you...
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