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    Default Nothing on the ACORN scandal>?

    Man they played them PERFECT! Release the one tape and wait for Acorns response , "This is a smear campaign and these employees dont display the level of professionalism of the people we hire at Acorn"

    ORLY

    Heres the second tape in a totally different city where 2 different employees do the exact same thing.


    LOL i seriously hope there is federal investigations into Acorn with some merit now. If we are going to go after former CIA agents , we better go after organizations trying to rig the census and elections USING taxpayer money
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    Why on earth would Obama go after the people who worked so hard to get him elected?
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    black power. thats why
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    I may be off on the number, but if I remember right, 8.6 Billion (yes, with a B) dollars went to ACORN in the stimulus bill. Obama is indeed his brother's keeper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Why on earth would Obama go after the people who worked so hard to get him elected?
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    Alas IIRC its not Obamas call, its Congress that can decide to do an investigation.

    Echo you are right, 8.6 BILLION was appropriated for ACORN
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    Even if congress investigates Obama will just pardon them like he did with the black panthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post

    Echo you are right, 8.6 BILLION was appropriated for ACORN
    Non WND/Newsmax/Fox News/InfoWars source please.

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    yeah, it has to be from cnn or cnbc for any obama follower to believe it

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone View Post
    yeah, it has to be from cnn or cnbc for any obama follower to believe it
    First of all CNN is pretty neutral, mainstream media. Second of all CNBC doesn't have news... they are just cover the stock market. You might be thinking of MSNBC, admittedly they swing left but I'd still believe them over the right-wing crap.

    I've torn apart Fox "News"/Alex Jones/InfoWars/WND in other threads, I really don't have patience/time to repost that same stuff here.

    Straight from ACORN that they didn't recieve any of the stimulus money allocated for "neighborhood stabilization" as Glenn Beck/Newsmax alleged:

    Quote Originally Posted by ACORN Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis
    We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule changes.
    http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22503&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12346&cHash=f8a3ac9452

    Acorn is not mentioned in the disputed section of the legislation... most of the money will go to state and local governments:

    http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/commu...g/hera2008.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone View Post
    yeah, it has to be from cnn or cnbc for any obama follower to believe it
    First of all CNN is pretty neutral, mainstream media. Second of all CNBC doesn't have news... they are just cover the stock market. You might be thinking of MSNBC, admittedly they swing left but I'd still believe them over the right-wing crap.

    I've torn apart Fox "News"/Alex Jones/InfoWars/WND in other threads, I really don't have patience/time to repost that same stuff here.

    Straight from ACORN that they didn't recieve any of the stimulus money allocated for "neighborhood stabilization" as Glenn Beck/Newsmax alleged:

    Quote Originally Posted by ACORN Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis
    We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule changes.
    http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22503&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12346&cHash=f8a3ac9452

    Acorn is not mentioned in the disputed section of the legislation... most of the money will go to state and local governments:

    http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/commu...g/hera2008.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    MSNBC, admittedly they swing left but I'd still believe them over the right-wing crap.
    Of course you do because they only say the nice things about liberals and bad things about conservatives. Infowars is about as respected as msnbc.

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    The Stimulus Bill and ACORN

    February 6, 2009
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    Q: Does the stimulus bill include a $5.2 billion payoff for ACORN?

    A: The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete - against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won’t in the future.

    FULL QUESTION

    I would appreciate having FactCheck.org look into whether ACORN will receive $5.23 billion from the Obama stimulus package under the guise of “stabilizing neighborhoods.” I have been bombarded by e-mails from an acquaintance about this. What can you find about this? Thank you.

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    For the past two weeks, Republicans have been raising a new charge against a familiar enemy, claiming that the Democrats’ stimulus bill includes as much as $5.2 billion in "goodies" for the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN). Last fall, Republicans accused ACORN of "massive voter fraud," a claim which we said was exaggerated. The group has since become a favorite target of Republicans, so it understandably raises a few hackles when House Republican leader John Boehner’s Web site proclaims that the bill provides "a taxpayer-funded bonanza" for ACORN. And Republican Sen. David Vitter goes even further, telling Newsmax TV that the provisions amount to "a political payoff." Also, the National Republican Trust PAC has taken up the issue in fundraising pitches. But these claims are wildly exaggerated and rely upon faulty logic.

    Let’s start with the (very few) claims that critics get right. The House version of the stimulus bill does indeed include about $1 billion in funding for the Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) program and another $4.2 billion ($2.2 billion in the Senate’s version) in funding for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP). Neither program is new: CDBG has been around since President Ford (a Republican) signed it into law in 1974, while the NSP was authorized in 2008 as part of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act signed into law by President Bush.

    On its Web site, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which runs both programs, describes CDBG as "a flexible program that provides communities with resources to address a wide range of unique community development needs." But those funds cannot be used for anything resembling ACORN’s controversial voter registration programs. HUD has very strict rules for projects that can be funded through CDBG grants, including promotion of home ownership and micro-enterprise assistance. ACORN has long been eligible for CDBG funds, and Boehner’s Web site points out that the group has received almost $1.6 million (not billion) in CDBG grants over a four-year span.

    NSP’s mission is more limited: Its funds are used to purchase foreclosed or abandoned homes, redevelop and then resell them, with the aim of stabilizing home prices. Boehner and Vitter claimed to smell a rat in the stimulus package’s language that allows nonprofit entities to compete directly for NSP funds. When the NSP was created last year, only state and local governments were eligible to participate in the program. The new language in the stimulus bill, Republicans argue, is a way to funnel money to ACORN.

    We make no judgments about the wisdom of allowing nonprofits to compete with state and local governments for NSP funds. Is this a "payoff" or "goodies" for liberal allies, or for ACORN specifically? Actually, both programs hand out grants only on a competitive basis. ACORN – and any other nonprofit entity – would be eligible to compete for NSP funds (as it already does for CDBG funds), but the key words here are "eligible" and "compete."

    Competition would likely be stiff. In 2008, NSP’s first year, states handed out funds to a total of 308 grantees. The NSP rules would require ACORN to show that it would spend the money to renovate and resell foreclosed homes more efficiently than other applicants.

    Moreover, ACORN is already indirectly eligible for NSP money; current law permits state and local governments to subcontract work, and ACORN would be eligible to compete for funds at the local level. However, ACORN didn’t get any NSP money last year and says it doesn’t plan to apply for NSP money in the future. Indeed, renovating foreclosed properties is not something the group has done in the past; its efforts in the home-buying industry focus mainly on developing new affordable housing and eliminating what it calls "predatory financial practices" by mortgage lenders. The group’s chief organizer, Bertha Lewis, writes:

    Lewis: We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn’t weigh in on the pending rule changes.

    Faulty Logic

    Boehner and Vitter commit two logical fallacies. Their argument has the form:

    1. The stimulus bill provides funding for redeveloping neighborhoods.
    2. ACORN does work in redeveloping neighborhoods.
    3. Therefore the stimulus bill provides funding for ACORN.

    That’s an example of what philosophers call the undistributed middle fallacy. It’s a common mistake; in May 2008, we caught Sen. John McCain making a similar logical blunder. But Boehner and Vitter compound their error by treating different terms as if they had the same meaning. ACORN does indeed work in redeveloping neighborhoods, but the work that it does is not the same sort of work for which NSP provides funding. By pretending as if the two are the same, Boehner and Vitter commit the fallacy of equivocation.

    We’re accustomed to seeing logical fallacies in political arguments. But working two of them into a single argument is unusually bad logic.
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    Senate votes 83- 7 to halt all further funding to acorn

    Brooklyn DA launches investagation into acorn

    beck has new tape to release today!
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    In Maryland, the DA is more worried about the people that exposed ACORN, than ACORN.


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-59122807.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Examiner
    Maryland may charge ACORN video-makers, State's Prosecutor heads anti-child abuse group UPDATED!
    By: Mark Tapscott
    Editorial Page Editor
    09/12/09 7:56 AM EDT

    James O'Keefe, the intrepid filmmaker who teamed with National Journalism Center intern Hannah Giles in the ACORN video sting, now faces the prospect of being prosecuted by the Baltimore City State's Attorney for violating a Maryland that makes it illegal to tape an individual without their prior permission.

    If he is convicted, O'Keefe could spend five years in the Maryland State Prison. Yes, you read that right. Here's the complete statement issued late yesterday by the prosecutor, Patricia Jessamy:

    "Baltimore, MD – September 11, 2009 – We have received inquiries from citizens and the media asking whether the Baltimore City State’s Attorneys Office would initiate a criminal investigation for acts allegedly committed at ACORN offices located in Baltimore. The only information received in reference to this alleged criminal behavior was a YouTube video. Upon review by this office, the video appears to be incomplete. In addition, the audio portion could possibly have been obtained in violation of Maryland Law, Annotated Code of Maryland Courts and Judicial Proceedings Article §10-402, which requires two party consent.
    "If it is determined that the audio portion now being heard on YouTube was illegally obtained, it is also illegal under Maryland Law to willfully use or willfully disclose the content of said audio. The penalty for the unlawful interception, disclosure or use of it is a felony punishable up to five years.”

    Jessamy, a Democrat, was appointed to the State's Prosecutor position in 1995 and has since been re-elected to the job three times. Among the items listed on Jessamy's extensive resume of accomplishments is that she is president of the Baltimore Child Abuse Center. She also lists her prior membership on the Governor's Council on Child Abuse and Neglect from 1995 to 1998!

    Let's be clear about what is happening here: O'Keefe and Giles dressed up as a pimp and prostitute and walked into the Baltimore ACORN office seeking "tax advice" for a brothel that would include the use of 13-year-old sex slaves from San Salvador. Two ACORN advisers happily provided all kinds of advice about how to deceive federal and state tax authorities about the true nature of the "business," and how to insure that the prostitutes "keep their mouths shut."

    In other words, two ACORN employees appear to have voluntarily become accessories to multiple federal, state and local crimes, including child abuse, interstate transportation for purposes of prostitution, tax evasion, and immigration law violations. The two ACORN employees may also have thus provided hard evidence that their employer should be prosecuted as a criminal enterprise under the RICO statutes.

    And the Baltimore City State's Attorney may prosecute the two people responsible for exposing this heinous operation!

    If any of this sounds vaguely familiar, it should because back in the Clinton days, the Maryland State's Prosecutor prosecuted Linda Tripp for recording Monica Lewinsky's description of her sexual encounter with President Bill Clinton. And, as the Baltimore blog Inside Charm City noted, this particular ACORN office has previously been in hot water for apparent illegal activities.

    Reasonable people can disagree about the importance of the Lewinsky matter, but nobody can deny that O'Keefe and Giles have exposed multiple serious felonies involving sex slavery, child abuse, and federal tax evasion.

    And by the way, O'Keefe and Giles did the same sting on the Washington, D.C. ACORN office. You can watch the videos of both sting operations here on the BigGovernment.com web site. BigGovernment.com is the product of the fertile mind of Andrew Breitbart.

    If this doesn't cause a storm of protests in Baltimore, Annapolis and Washington, D.C., nothing will. If you would like to suggest an "alternative course of action" to Jessamy, her Baltimore office can be reached via telephone at 410-396-4001 or via email at [email protected].

    UPDATE: Jessamy ignored prior 'underground' video reporting

    An eagle-eyed Hot Air reader notes that Jessamy did nothing in recent years when two Baltimore media outlets used the same hidden camera technique to after stories that ultimately won professional plaudits from journalism colleagues. And in the same post, Hot Air's Ed Morrissey points to the substantial evidence of Jessamy's intensely partisan approach to the duties of her office.

    Having lived in Maryland for more than a decade and covered politics at the local and state levels here, nothing about this story surprises me. Maryland is a one-party state that is effectively controlled by the Democrats, and nowhere more so than in Baltimore City. As with any monopoly, the result is always abuse of office, corruption and hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    Non WND/Newsmax/Fox News/InfoWars source please.
    thats a real figure that i even saw on lou dobbs, i love the youtube video of the two employees, i think i have it bookmarked it's funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    In Maryland, the DA is more worried about the people that exposed ACORN, than ACORN.


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-59122807.html
    that is just messed up, i remember seeing the video after reading the article. if the gov't, cops, supposively the SCE lol, fbi, cia, atf for exposing people who do crap like this then why can't a real person, esp considering what all was said in the video. it's a must watch i think im gonna watch the other one now.
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    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11344487...sident_Obama-1

    some members of congress wrote him a letter about this yesterday, if we gave them bailout money it should also have to be paid back. if you are appaulled that this group gets tons of federal $$ that our taxdollars pay for then call your congressman and raise hell!!!! hell mail it to obama himself but don't but the same header as their's.
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    http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/16/...apher-and-fox/

    and here is what big bertha has to say.
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