Obama Addresses the Students....

[Justin51982]

There are also countless whites that VOTED for Obama regardless of skin color, it was primarily the white vote that got him elected.

Stop using race, it's a crutch and it's old. Slavery happened a lot longer ago than the Holocaust. I'm HALF jewish, you don't see me blaming everything that happens to me on the fact that I have a Jewish last name or because of Hitler, or because jews were slaves well before blacks ever were (who do you think built the pyramids).

Get over the race issue, it has no place here.

[btstone]

So you wrote a paper that said "I'm not racist, I have Black friends".

I've typed out long explanations of double consciousness as explained in W.E.B Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk but its really just a waste of time because none of you guys really give a shit about thinking outside the box of your own experiences of being socialized as White people.

The point of AA studies and the name "African American" is that Blacks in America have had a different experience as Americans than Whites because of slavery and the disenfranchisement/social inequality that followed it.

if thats all you got out of my paragraph then you are part of the problem. i have read a few du bois books and they are about on the smae level as al sharpton to me. thats why this shit is here, ppl only see what they want to see. no one wants to see the truth. call me racist, i dont care what you think of me. but learn why society is fucked up

and yes, white ppl voted for obama to get him into office. that is the university systems right there. many professors try to brain wash students because this is the time most kids are open. they believe all that BS the professors are feeding them

[BobbyFresco]

if thats all you got out of my paragraph then you are part of the problem. i have read a few du bois books and they are about on the smae level as al sharpton to me. thats why this shit is here, ppl only see what they want to see. no one wants to see the truth. call me racist, i dont care what you think of me. but learn why society is fucked up

and yes, white ppl voted for obama to get him into office. that is the university systems right there. many professors try to brain wash students because this is the time most kids are open. they believe all that BS the professors are feeding them

To equate DuBois to Sharpton is laughable at best.
Eh. Nevermind.
I'm not going to waste my time typing that which will just go over your head anyway....

[Total_Blender]

and yes, white ppl voted for obama to get him into office. that is the university systems right there. many professors try to brain wash students because this is the time most kids are open. they believe all that BS the professors are feeding them

Because universities and professors are bad, right? Go ahead and pull your kids out of school because Obama is showing them a speech encouraging them to "stay in school, and work hard in spite of your hardships instead of using them as a crutch". They teach evolution and other monkey-science there, and public school is just socialism anyway. Who needs capitalization and punctuation when you have Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

On a serious note... the conservative movement used to stand for something when there were actual thinkers/scholars like William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater involved in leadership roles. Even if I didn't agree with Buckley and Goldwater, they were at least eloquent speakers who could base an argument on logic. There are still some people like that around (George Will comes to mind) but really, the shouters (Sarah Palin, TX. Gov. Rick Perry, MN congresswoman Michelle Bachmann) and their "angry mob" mentality have taken over. The whole movement comes across as anti-intellectual and hypocritical, especially when most of the arguments coming from the conservative camp start with "think for yourself" or something along those lines.

[bigdare23]

This post shows ignorance at its best.

Thats the problem. I cant think of the last time I really saw blacks as a group being portrayed in a positive light. Whether it be the movies, the news, or just around town. As far as the news goes, the blame for that falls squarely on them.

That's straight bull shit. The media picks and choose the stories to air. What do you think will get more ratings, Georgia Tech just graduating it's largest class of blacks recieving ph.Ds in engineering, or someone just got robbed on at a gas station in Bankhead? The media is bias, but you're white and closed-minded so you don't see it.

it applies to all racial groups. If you are walking down the street at night along and a group of white kids with combat boots, shaved hears and black suspenders are coming towards you. Are you going to walk right to them, or cross the street?

That's a extreme example. Skin heads do not equal the typical black person. Some whites would cross the street if the African Americas were wearing slacks and a sports coat. I had whites cross the street while walking toward me, and I had on a polo shirt tucked in some nicely fitted jeans, and a book bag on (and I might add a clean hair shave and cut). It all falls back to the media. Since the media portrays the typical criminal as a hooded black man, all black males feels the repercussions.

That class just reeks of an "african american studies" class. I can pretty much sum up that class with 2 words. Blame Whitey. Just look at the quality of people you have teaching it. Great people like Professor Gates
come to mind.

What is you level of education? Do you have degrees? If so, where did you get your degree from? Or are you one of those people born and raised in the south. I ask that because you seem greatly out of touch. So let me inform you. Most race classes are talk by "whitey" (since majority of sociology professors are white). That class is taught to enlighten people closed-minded people such as yourself, about the racial problems of today. The point of the class is not to blame the problems on a particular race, but to come solutions to the problems. The focus is not just on blacks, but on the topic of inequality with all races. My advise to you is not to speak on a subject if you don't know anything about it. Also, if you have taken a race class before, please go back and slap you professor.

[btstone]

To equate DuBois to Sharpton is laughable at best.
Eh. Nevermind.
I'm not going to waste my time typing that which will just go over your head anyway....

i feel the same way about you

[btstone]

Because universities and professors are bad, right? Go ahead and pull your kids out of school because Obama is showing them a speech encouraging them to "stay in school, and work hard in spite of your hardships instead of using them as a crutch". They teach evolution and other monkey-science there, and public school is just socialism anyway. Who needs capitalization and punctuation when you have Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

this was very intellectual and a great argument based on logic right? this right here is something you just pulle dout of the air and i never said any of it. you just did the same thing you accussed ALL conservatives of doing..hmmm. hypoctical to me

On a serious note... the conservative movement used to stand for something when there were actual thinkers/scholars like William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater involved in leadership roles. Even if I didn't agree with Buckley and Goldwater, they were at least eloquent speakers who could base an argument on logic. There are still some people like that around (George Will comes to mind) but really, the shouters (Sarah Palin, TX. Gov. Rick Perry, MN congresswoman Michelle Bachmann) and their "angry mob" mentality have taken over. The whole movement comes across as anti-intellectual and hypocritical, especially when most of the arguments coming from the conservative camp start with "think for yourself" or something along those lines.

just because Bush and Palin( i dont like her anyway so lets take her out of this equation) and mccain are not great speakers, does not mean they are wrong or stand for the wrong side. our president is good speaker and he is damn near socialist. speaking does not make you correct on these kinds of matters. remeber, democrats rule the house. its his own party holding his agenda up because everyone knows its fucked up, not just republicans.

[Total_Blender]

just because Bush and Palin( i dont like her anyway so lets take her out of this equation) and mccain are not great speakers, does not mean they are wrong or stand for the wrong side. our president is good speaker and he is damn near socialist. speaking does not make you correct on these kinds of matters. remeber, democrats rule the house. its his own party holding his agenda up because everyone knows its fucked up, not just republicans.

Its not just who is a "good speaker" and who isn't. It also scholarship, doing research, having the facts right, proper use of context, etc. I feel like the message coming from people like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and others is just an insult to my intelligence. I try to tell myself that these people don't speak for the whole of the party... but then I don't see many in the party calling them out on it either.

[btstone]

Its not just who is a "good speaker" and who isn't. It also scholarship, doing research, having the facts right, proper use of context, etc. I feel like the message coming from people like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and others is just an insult to my intelligence. I try to tell myself that these people don't speak for the whole of the party... but then I don't see many in the party calling them out on it either.

there is no need to call them out on it. that creates party divide.
have you ever listen to hanedy? he may change your mind. he used to be a devoted democrat. o nce he realized what the party was really about, he left it.

[Total_Blender]

there is no need to call them out on it. that creates party divide.
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Divide the party or crash it into the ground... its really a no-win scenario I guess. I really don't see how courting the lunatic fringe is good for the party though.

For example... our representative here in the 10th district, Paul Brown was talking at a town hall recently spouting off about the "socialist elite declaring martial law" and "FEMA camps" and more Alex Jones/Glenn Beck bullshit. Johnny Isaakson and others called him out when he compared Obama to Hitler the day after the election... where are the moderates now?

[BobbyFresco]

i feel the same way about you

You are so predictable.
Novel idea for you... How about you argue your points with facts and not generalties, conjecture or baseless insults.

[BobbyFresco]

there is no need to call them out on it. that creates party divide.
have you ever listen to hanedy? he may change your mind. he used to be a devoted democrat. o nce he realized what the party was really about, he left it.

There's a reason why you're not taken seriously, even by people who share your sentiments...
How is it that you are ignorant to the spelling of the name of one of your heroes?

Please find your way back to the KF, where mindless banter is better accepted.

[AirMax95]

if thats all you got out of my paragraph then you are part of the problem. i have read a few du bois books and they are about on the smae level as al sharpton to me. thats why this shit is here, ppl only see what they want to see. no one wants to see the truth. call me racist, i dont care what you think of me. but learn why society is fucked up

and yes, white ppl voted for obama to get him into office. that is the university systems right there. many professors try to brain wash students because this is the time most kids are open. they believe all that BS the professors are feeding them

L-M-A-O~~~~

What books of W. E. B. Du Bois have you read? Seems to me your reading comprehension level is that of a 4th grader, if you feel that he is on the same level as Al Sharpton Two different time frames, education levels, midsets, and class of people.

I would LOVE to have 80% of people in this thread at a meet to discuss things of this nature. The lulz would be awesome.

[BobbyFresco]

What books of W. E. B. Du Bois have you read?

The simple answer is, he hasn't.

Seems to me your reading comprehension level is that of a 4th grader, if you feel that he is on the same level as Al Sharpton

You didn't know that any black man of significance is related to Al Sharpton?

Two different time frames, education levels, midsets, and class of people

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T...Do you really expect him to be able to tell the distinction between the 2?

I would LOVE to have 80% of people in this thread at a meet to discuss things of this nature. The lulz would be awesome.

I agree.

[AirMax95]

Here is something that I am sure are not in any AA studies books out there.
Black slave owners were the cruelest slave owners. I doubt there is any mention of black slave owners at all.
I am sure they cover all of the horid ways slaves were treated. How do they teach the circumstance of them being captured though? Do they say they are kidnapped, or do they say they were sold by tribal leaders for guns and tobbacco?

The black man comment obviously went over your head.

Your doubt is wrong beyond belief. Have you taken ANY classes of the sort, or are you assuming b/c you "feel" they don't?

All classes on African American studies address every nook and cranny of the slave trades. These classes also incorporate the positive that SOME whites did at the time to combat the slave trade.

Stop fucking assuming based off the bullshit you read man. You ride the race pole like $5 stripper at Pinups trying to make rent.

[tony]

L-M-A-O~~~~

What books of W. E. B. Du Bois have you read? Seems to me your reading comprehension level is that of a 4th grader, if you feel that he is on the same level as Al Sharpton Two different time frames, education levels, midsets, and class of people.

I would LOVE to have 80% of people in this thread at a meet to discuss things of this nature. The lulz would be awesome.

Dubois, Al Sharpton.. seriously at this point dude is a waste of time. The best that those who see the objective side of this is try to educate those who are receptive to learning something, primarily of the younger generation. Let the fool be that.. as long as I explain both sides to my son and anyone willing to listen I have done my part.

[tony]

QD, no problems with what you said. I just believe the whole "black people voted for Obama because he is black" is a misnomer, was it motivation? Of course, but to go by that rationale Michael Steele should get a proportionate number of votes in the black community when we know that is far from the truth.

[81911SC]

QD, no problems with what you said. I just believe the whole "black people voted for Obama because he is black" is a misnomer, was it motivation? Of course, but to go by that rationale Michael Steele should get a proportionate number of votes in the black community when we know that is far from the truth.

But you have no proof it wasn't either?

[BobbyFresco]

But you have no proof it wasn't either?

Why is this still a point of contention almost a year after the fact?

A. Blacks have primarily voted along Democratic lines for the last 30 years.
B. Yes, Blacks voted for a Black man, much the same way Hispanics would vote for a Hispanic candidate, Asians for an Asian, etc.

Another interesting facet of human nature is that we (ppl in general) tend support those who are the most like us, given the opportunity...

[81911SC]

Why is this still a point of contention almost a year after the fact?

A. Blacks have primarily voted along Democratic lines for the last 30 years.
B. Yes, Blacks voted for a Black man, much the same way Hispanics would vote for a Hispanic candidate, Asians for an Asian, etc.

Another interesting facet of human nature is that we (ppl in general) tend support those who are the most like us, given the opportunity...

Quoting me like I'm the only one saying it?
No sir, don't care to argue it but if Tony's opinion is one way, why does that mean he's right?

[bu villain]

But you have no proof it wasn't either?

Therefor the correct way for everyone to proceed is to assume whatever helps promote their personal beliefs/agenda. This is how logic works right?

[BABY J]

I was gonna pop back in here but Dare and Fresco basically mopped the floor before I had a chance to. I'll just sit here and watch it dry.

[81911SC]

Therefor the correct way for everyone to proceed is to assume whatever helps promote their personal beliefs/agenda. This is how logic works right?

Quote where I said that? Go ahead, I'll wait. He stated that's how he feels, I was asking where is the proof.

[81911SC]

Nevermind, it's a waste of time in here.
Have fun.

[BobbyFresco]

Quoting me like I'm the only one saying it?
No sir, don't care to argue it but if Tony's opinion is one way, why does that mean he's right?

I wasn't picking on you specifically.
You just happen to be the only one actively conversing, at the moment.

[btstone]

You are so predictable.
Novel idea for you... How about you argue your points with facts and not generalties, conjecture or baseless insults.

it funny how you have presented one fact. all you do is pull you little dick out and try to show it off. you have broght not one good point to this

[btstone]

L-M-A-O~~~~

What books of W. E. B. Du Bois have you read? Seems to me your reading comprehension level is that of a 4th grader, if you feel that he is on the same level as Al Sharpton Two different time frames, education levels, midsets, and class of people.

I would LOVE to have 80% of people in this thread at a meet to discuss things of this nature. The lulz would be awesome.

yes both radical and wanting something that will not happen.

fresco is the one i wanna see make a valid point in person. he hasnt made a post worth saving on IA yet

[BobbyFresco]

it funny how you have presented one fact. all you do is pull you little dick out and try to show it off. you have broght not one good point to this

and you have done what, exactly?
Quoted for irony, btw.

[btstone]

Dubois, Al Sharpton.. seriously at this point dude is a waste of time. The best that those who see the objective side of this is try to educate those who are receptive to learning something, primarily of the younger generation. Let the fool be that.. as long as I explain both sides to my son and anyone willing to listen I have done my part.

exactly what democrats like to do. brainwash with no real points to stand on.

i will gracefully bow out. its hard to argue with shit that makes no sense at all.

[BobbyFresco]

yes both radical and wanting something that will not happen.

fresco is the one i wanna see make a valid point in person. he hasnt made a post worth saving on IA yet

PLEASE SHOW ME ONE POST THAT YOU'VE MADE IN ANY THREAD IN THIS SUBFORUM THAT HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIATIVE AND NOT BASED ON YOUR RATHER MORONIC AND JUVENILE ASSERTIONS AND SUPPOSITIONS, DEVOID OF CREDIBLE FACTS.

YOU CAN'T EVEN FORM A COMPLETE AND COHERENT THOUGHT THAT ISN'T RIDDLED WITH RUDIMENTARY MISTAKES...

I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER IF YOU'VE EVEN STEPPED ONE FOOT INTO A COLLEGE CLASSROOM..

[btstone]

PLEASE SHOW ME ONE POST THAT YOU'VE MADE IN ANY THREAD IN THIS SUBFORUM THAT HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIATIVE AND NOT BASED ON YOUR RATHER MORONIC AND JUVENILE ASSERTIONS AND SUPPOSITIONS, DEVOID OF CREDIBLE FACTS.

YOU CAN'T EVEN FORM A COMPLETE AND COHERENT THOUGHT THAT ISN'T RIDDLED WITH RUDIMENTARY MISTAKES...

I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER IF YOU'VE EVEN STEPPED ONE FOOT INTO A COLLEGE CLASSROOM..

dude, i dont see how you even type on here. you just make dumbass come backs at ppl. not one alid point yet.

[BobbyFresco]

IF BSTONE AND THE "SLAVERY DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE SO NEITHER DOES RACISM" CARD IS ALL YOU GUYS HAVE, THEN I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THIS THREAD.

I AM ALL ABOUT EXCHANGING DIALOGUE WITH ABLE MINDED PEOPLE WHO CAN ARTICULATE THEIR POINTS WITH FACTS AND REASONABLE OPINIONS, SANS INSULTS.

[BobbyFresco]

dude, i dont see how you even type on here. you just make dumbass come backs at ppl. not one alid point yet.

LET ME HELP YOU OUT...VALID HAS A V. MORON.
I'M OUT.
I 'M NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO ARGUE WITH A REMEDIAL TOOL.

[btstone]

LET ME HELP YOU OUT...VALID HAS A V. MORON.
I'M OUT.
I 'M NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO ARGUE WITH A REMEDIAL TOOL.

i wasnt enjoying the argument with a bitch. see ya

[Total_Blender]

"Debates" like his make me wish that the death panels and FEMA camps were actually real so we can start thinning out some of the weaker members of the herd when it comes to brain power. For the good of the gene pool. We don't want evolution to start working backwards. If we could just round up all the

9/11 truthers
Birthers
Deathers
FEMA campers
Teabaggers
Alex Jones fans

and put them on a rocket bound for the sun, I think we'd all be better off.

[LizBiz]

Well there goes another Obama thread that ended in race.

Did anyone hear about the school that didn't watch Obama's speech but they kids were bussed to go watch Bush's speech?

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-bea...-57827022.html

In case you missed it.

[Justin51982]

Because universities and professors are bad, right? Go ahead and pull your kids out of school because Obama is showing them a speech encouraging them to "stay in school, and work hard in spite of your hardships instead of using them as a crutch". They teach evolution and other monkey-science there, and public school is just socialism anyway. Who needs capitalization and punctuation when you have Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

On a serious note... the conservative movement used to stand for something when there were actual thinkers/scholars like William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater involved in leadership roles. Even if I didn't agree with Buckley and Goldwater, they were at least eloquent speakers who could base an argument on logic. There are still some people like that around (George Will comes to mind) but really, the shouters (Sarah Palin, TX. Gov. Rick Perry, MN congresswoman Michelle Bachmann) and their "angry mob" mentality have taken over. The whole movement comes across as anti-intellectual and hypocritical, especially when most of the arguments coming from the conservative camp start with "think for yourself" or something along those lines.

FOR THE RECORD, MOST EDUCATORS AND PEOPLE IN HIGHER EDUCATION ARE LIBERAL. Whether they push their views or not is a different story. I have have many professors I know are liberal, but they do not try to sway things.

[Total_Blender]

FOR THE RECORD, MOST EDUCATORS AND PEOPLE IN HIGHER EDUCATION ARE LIBERAL. Whether they push their views or not is a different story. I have have many professors I know are liberal, but they do not try to sway things.

How exactly is showing a speech telling kids to "stay in school" trying to sway things?

Most educators are liberal for the same reasons most Blackwater mercenaries and most hedge fund managers are conservative.

[BanginJimmy]

How exactly is showing a speech telling kids to "stay in school" trying to sway things?

Well for starters, we dont know how much the speech changed between the original writing and when it was actually shown. The speech was never an issue though. The issue was the lesson plan that came with it.

Most educators are liberal for the same reasons most Blackwater mercenaries and most hedge fund managers are conservative.

Because liberals are typically people that goto school for something but can never succeed. Conservatives are the opposite. They chose their career path, but are successful.

"Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach."

[tony]

How exactly is showing a speech telling kids to "stay in school" trying to sway things?

Most educators are liberal for the same reasons most Blackwater mercenaries and most hedge fund managers are conservative.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Total_Blender again.


Amazing post.