Obama Addresses the Students....

[btstone]

Having a child and THEN aborting that child is NOT abortion. It's fucking murder. Outright. And there's nothing wrong with the death penalty.



I don't see the sense in it at all, myself. Later, QD.

thats you. im just stating what was voted for my Obama himself and most other dem. in office right now.
many ppl dont even realize what they are voting for when they vote. yes i am republican. i did not like mccain or palin. but ill be damned if im gonna vote for someone who supports ideas that i think are fucking crazy.
(prob gonna get called racist ofr this but oh well) take this for example. many black ppl voted for obama for the sole reason of him being black. there are many black ppl that vote democrat always and dont even know why. (now im mainly stating this form a regional prospective) if you sit down and talk to most black ppl and ask them questions about laws and bills that come up, they will usually go with for the conservative side and not even realize it. most black ppl are republican and dont even know it. but because it is believed that republicans are only out for white ppl with money and the race card is always pullled, voters are turned away. just my 2 pennies.

ps- usually the first person to play the race card, is usually the racist one

[quickdodge®]

thats you. im just stating what was voted for my Obama himself and most other dem. in office right now.
many ppl dont even realize what they are voting for when they vote. yes i am republican. i did not like mccain or palin. but ill be damned if im gonna vote for someone who supports ideas that i think are fucking crazy.
(prob gonna get called racist ofr this but oh well) take this for example. many black ppl voted for obama for the sole reason of him being black. there are many black ppl that vote democrat always and dont even know why. (now im mainly stating this form a regional prospective) if you sit down and talk to most black ppl and ask them questions about laws and bills that come up, they will usually go with for the conservative side and not even realize it. most black ppl are republican and dont even know it. but because it is believed that republicans are only out for white ppl with money and the race card is always pullled, voters are turned away. just my 2 pennies.

ps- usually the first person to play the race card, is usually the racist one

I was agreeing with you about the listed issues, man. Later, QD.

[.blank cd]

LOL at this fresco....

Democrat- most support abortion at birth. which is, once the baby is out of the mother womb and breathing etc, they then kill it. its a fact the majority of the dem in congress voted for this, (if you need me to find the article showing this i can). it is also a fact that most dem appose the death penalty...HUH

its ok to kill a livving breathing baby because the mother doesnt wanna deal with it, but its not ok to kill some asshat who is a problem in our society....

you tell me how much sense that makes. thats just one example

LOL! I do need you to find an article supporting that most democrats support abortion at birth

This should be good for a laugh

[quickdodge®]

The only result I could find of voting on this issue took place in 2000:

"In the 2000 vote shown here as Vote No. 1 (House roll call 104), the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HR 3660) was approved 287-141 -- one vote above a two-thirds margin. Among Republicans, 209 lawmakers supported the bill, while eight opposed it. Among Democrats, 77 representatives supported the bill, but 132 opposed it."

According to this info, 209 Democrats voted on the Act. 132 of those voted against it. That would be 63% of them voted against the Ban At.

That would support bstone's comment that Democrats are more for this despicable act of violence. Later, QD.

[btstone]

I was agreeing with you about the listed issues, man. Later, QD.

i wasnt saying that you werent. read the first sentance. i said that was your opinion. i was just giving my two cents for the thread.

thanks for finding the voting results. saved me tons of time

[BobbyFresco]

thats you. im just stating what was voted for my Obama himself and most other dem. in office right now.
many ppl dont even realize what they are voting for when they vote. yes i am republican. i did not like mccain or palin. but ill be damned if im gonna vote for someone who supports ideas that i think are fucking crazy.
(prob gonna get called racist ofr this but oh well) take this for example. many black ppl voted for obama for the sole reason of him being black. there are many black ppl that vote democrat always and dont even know why. (now im mainly stating this form a regional prospective) if you sit down and talk to most black ppl and ask them questions about laws and bills that come up, they will usually go with for the conservative side and not even realize it. most black ppl are republican and dont even know it. but because it is believed that republicans are only out for white ppl with money and the race card is always pullled, voters are turned away. just my 2 pennies.

ps- usually the first person to play the race card, is usually the racist one

If you came up with an argument bearing your own ideas and backed by credible sources and facts, I'd respond.
There's no thought process involved with regurgitation.

Edit: Talk about indoctrination. El oh El.
You quoted straight from the " Radical Right Wing's Guide to a Political Argument"

[Total_Blender]

That would support bstone's comment that Democrats are more for this despicable act of violence. Later, QD.

And it also shows that the Dems did not remove the ban on partial birth abortions despite having control of both houses of congress. So neither party fully supports PBA's.

I don't think anyone on either side of the issue is "for" abortion. But speaking for myself and others on the Left, I think that early in the term (before the fetus develops much) abortions should be available as an option. If women who choose abortion are denied safe, regulated abortions... some will turn to the back-alley abortions. I have a friend who is an OBGYN and she tells me she has had several patients who have had hack-job abortions... mostly women from countries where abortion is illegal but still done on the black market.

[quickdodge®]

And it also shows that the Dems did not remove the ban on partial birth abortions despite having control of both houses of congress. So neither party fully supports PBA's.

You're right in that case. But I was addressing bstone's comment. And in that case, I did back up what he specifically said.

And I agree with the first trimester option of abortion. Later, QD.

[81911SC]

Damn republicans are scared of everything, or is it just a black man.

O look, bringing race into it again. LOL, exactly, it's always about the color of his skin. (Half, ya know?)
Stop being an idiot, or try.

[81911SC]

Hopefully you never reproduce (we have enough idiots) or you turn out to be another right wing hypocrite that rather blow a guy in a airport bathrrom

And judging by your grammar and "sentence" you're one of them.

[bdydrpdmazda]

obama is a cock sucker and to anybody that voted for him........Im sorry you fell for his load of crap and lies

[BobbyFresco]

obama is a cock sucker and to anybody that voted for him........Im sorry you fell for his load of crap and lies

Cool post, bro...

[Total_Blender]

it's always about the color of his skin. (Half, ya know?).

In the days of old, when race really mattered a lot... there was no "half". If you could not pass for White 100% you were Black and that was the end of the story. I consider Obama to be Black because he identifies himself as Black and he has experienced his life as a Black person.

Race as it has been historically seen in America has been a binary system. Most people of mixed race pick one race or the other and stick with it.

[TIGERJC]

And judging by your grammar and "sentence" you're one of them.

LoL I had to give you something to pick at it, I did not want to make you feel like a complete waste of space.

LoL I am bringing race in to the matter, when some of the right suggested that blacks only voted for obama b/c of his skin. When I see how some ppl don't respect the title to atleast give the man a chance, I wonder what alternative motives may prevent them of letting try and do his job. I supported and gave Bush a chance even though I did not vote for him until he did something to change my perception of him. When I hear people are taking thier kids out of school so they can not listen to the president's speech, to me they show know respect for the position

[81911SC]

In the days of old, when race really mattered a lot... there was no "half". If you could not pass for White 100% you were Black and that was the end of the story. I consider Obama to be Black because he identifies himself as Black and he has experienced his life as a Black person.

Race as it has been historically seen in America has been a binary system. Most people of mixed race pick one race or the other and stick with it.

Ok, cool I guess.

[81911SC]

LoL I had to give you something to pick at it, I did not want to make you feel like a complete waste of space.

LoL I am bringing race in to the matter, when some of the right suggested that blacks only voted for obama b/c of his skin. When I see how some ppl don't respect the title to atleast give the man a chance, I wonder what alternative motives may prevent them of letting try and do his job. I supported and gave Bush a chance even though I did not vote for him until he did something to change my perception of him. When I hear people are taking thier kids out of school so they can not listen to the president's speech, to me they show know respect for the position

Yea, I'm sure you planned to make a shit "sentence". Of course you're bringing race into, somebody has to. Since the "right wing hypocrites" haven't.

[BobbyFresco]

thats you. im just stating what was voted for my Obama himself and most other dem. in office right now.
many ppl dont even realize what they are voting for when they vote. yes i am republican. i did not like mccain or palin. but ill be damned if im gonna vote for someone who supports ideas that i think are fucking crazy.
(prob gonna get called racist ofr this but oh well) take this for example. many black ppl voted for obama for the sole reason of him being black. there are many black ppl that vote democrat always and dont even know why. (now im mainly stating this form a regional prospective) if you sit down and talk to most black ppl and ask them questions about laws and bills that come up, they will usually go with for the conservative side and not even realize it. most black ppl are republican and dont even know it. but because it is believed that republicans are only out for white ppl with money and the race card is always pullled, voters are turned away. just my 2 pennies.

ps- usually the first person to play the race card, is usually the racist one

Yea, I'm sure you planned to make a shit "sentence". Of course you're bringing race into, somebody has to. Since the "right wing hypocrites" haven't.

Actually, see the post quoted above yours.

[81911SC]

Actually, see the post quoted above yours.

Sorry, I don't read anything he posts.

[Total_Blender]

Sorry, I don't read anything he posts.

Neither do I

[quickdodge®]

LoL I am bringing race in to the matter, when some of the right suggested that blacks only voted for obama b/c of his skin.

I believe it to be true. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised if most black folks voted for Obama because of his skin color. Just as there are probably thousands upon thousands of white folks that voted for McCain because of Obama's skin color. I can't tell you how many countless times I've read, seen, heard interviews with black folks at Presidential rallies and parties where they re asked who Obama's running mate was. None, and I mean NONE, of them knew. They could not answer the question of who Obama was running against. Many of the people thought Obama was running against Bush. I would be hard pressed to believe that the folks that could not answer those questions voted for Obama for anything else than to have a black man in office.

Now when I'm quoted as being an ignorant racist (for the people that have no idea of my racial boundaries), I need for this part to be quoted as well. I did not say ALL black folks. Later, QD.

[81911SC]

I love these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U

[BobbyFresco]

Sorry, I don't read anything he posts.

LOL.
I don't blame you one bit.

[BanginJimmy]

I wont get into racial side of it, as idiocy has no racial barriers, but I will say that most of Obama's voters had no clue what they were voting for.

1/3 of people will support any and all dems, no matter what (Total Blender is a perfect example). 1/3 will support a republican, no matter what. That last 1/3 is all that an election is about.

Of that independant 1/3 you can break it into 3 groups.

1. Voted for Obama because he wasnt a republican, that was enough reason. They knew nothing about his politics. These people are having a VERY serious case of voters regret. Hense the 70%+ disapproval rate among independants.

2. Voted based on race. This is probably the smallest group. Some voted for, some voted against him based on nothing more than his race.

3. People that actually knew the issues at hand and both candidates views on it, and they are politically active in a limited way. This group is slightly larger than group 2. This group voted pretty much 50/50 for the candidates. This group is also having a very serious case of voters regret, hence the 70%+ disapproval among independants.

[tony]

I believe it to be true. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised if most black folks voted for Obama because of his skin color.

I take issue with this because it is well known that blacks vote proportionately Democrat anyway, the demographics of voters who turned out for Clinton mirror the numbers of those for Obama. Race may have motivated some but please believe being black does not suddenly give you an upper hand in being elected president. The rest of thise post is not directed at you.


Its ironic that people want to point the finger at uninformed voters but are nothing close to informed their selves. Quotes from biased sources, even the baseless posts here with no real information in them but whining and complaining. You'd do more for the political process by educating your self rather than making reactionary posts that are nothing more than regurgitated rhetoric. I guarantee just like supporters of Obama get called out, a vast majority those who are quick to attack him do not understand the legislative process of government, have very little understanding if any of the social aspect of Public Policy, and contribute to the deterioration of Politics in this country because you are uninformed yet so vocal.

The man took the time to address children doing well in school. I tend to appreciate when leaders take time out of their schedule to acknowledge an aspect of society that gets taken for granted, no matter if it is Obama, W. Bush, Clinton or H.W Bush, I respect all equally regardless of how I feel about them politically and it is a sad state of affairs and an aggressive display of disrespect when people lash out at an individual for doing something positive, especially when that positive is for the benefit of kids.

[BanginJimmy]

Tony, no one is arguing about the actual speech. People are all up in arms about the lesson plans that came with it. Some of the questions, such as the one I posted earlier, were an indoctrination to dependency on govt.

[BABY J]

These are the same parents who let their kids listen to Lil Wayne - watch AdultSwim, Southpark and smoke pot.

If you are doing what the fuck you're supposed to be doing as a parent then no "speech" is going to deter your hard work. I never smoked pot, EVER. I've never been to a strip club (even tho I am quite the freak - lol) - why? B/c my parents instilled morals in me that were not breakable by peer pressure, or some guy on TV or the radio. I had PLENTY of opportunity to get into dumb shit... and I didn't b/c my parents let me know the deal at home in the living room... so it didn't matter who came to school w/ conflicting interest.

Of all the things to try to sensor your kids from this is your biggest threat? LOL. Classic.

[BABY J]

thats you. im just stating what was voted for my Obama himself and most other dem. in office right now.
many ppl dont even realize what they are voting for when they vote. yes i am republican. i did not like mccain or palin. but ill be damned if im gonna vote for someone who supports ideas that i think are fucking crazy.
(prob gonna get called racist ofr this but oh well) take this for example. many black ppl voted for obama for the sole reason of him being black. there are many black ppl that vote democrat always and dont even know why. (now im mainly stating this form a regional prospective) if you sit down and talk to most black ppl and ask them questions about laws and bills that come up, they will usually go with for the conservative side and not even realize it. most black ppl are republican and dont even know it. but because it is believed that republicans are only out for white ppl with money and the race card is always pullled, voters are turned away. just my 2 pennies.

ps- usually the first person to play the race card, is usually the racist one

On election night, ABC posted a graphic of the state of Indiana, (because they were one of the last states still going that late), and it color-coded the way votes were going in each county, or area. The whole state was McCain, except for pockets in Indianapolis, Bloomington, Muncie, Terre Haute, Vincennes, and South Bend. I literally jumped up while looking at the map and started pointing at my TV like a mad man. Why? Every county with a major university voted for Obama. That told me all I needed to know about that state.

What makes you qualified to know what "most blacks" know or think? I spent 8 years in the Air Force and let me tell you something... about the places I have been - say Iraq for starters. Over there, they weren't trying to kill "African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Mexican-Americans", they just wanted to kill AMERICANS... we are the only people in the world that devide ourselves into little groups. It's stupid.

BSTONE -- you take care of your family. You lend tools to a racer when he is down, even if it means when he gets his piece of shit back together you lose a race to him. People take care of their own. The Indians (w/ a dot, not a feather - lol) do it better than any group on the planet, and I'd bet that the white man is in the top 5. "My" people are just now figuring that out in the last 20 years or so --- so forgive them if they want to vote for something familiar. If $5 is keeping me from feeding my family, no you can't borrow it. That does NOT mean that I am a racist. It's damn near IMPOSSIBLE for a white man to understand universal issues that all people are seeing. Just as it will be impossible for Obama to do the same. But what Obama DOES have is knowledge of how to swim on BOTH sides of that pond - something McCain did not have. McCain is brilliant, even though his "reality" of what we needed in a president was skewed (IMO). I've had this conversation w/ "black voters" (as you say) --- and I laughed at people who said "he's black, so we should vote for him." It sounded a WHOLE lot to me that you implied in your post that "most" of the racism is rooted in the black community --- keep me honest here and correct me if I am wrong w/ that statement. PLEASE tell me what kinds of racism you have had to endure. I'd bet that in the grand scheme of your life it doesn't amount to much and has not been life-changing - it probably changed nothing more than your mood. If I am wrong, then you are the anomally and def not the norm. I also fail to see how the way 1 votes for President can be directly tied to racism.

The only thing that was proven with this election is that people can indeed vote for the issues...NO MATTER WHAT COLOR they are. You think a black man would REALLY find it hard to vote for the white guy if his ideas REALLY seemed better? Let me educate you... it's VERY easy for me and a trillion other blacks to vote for the white guy - we've only had to to do it umm - FOREVER. So the fact that a miracle brown face showed up impressed me none. I STILL voted on the issues. More important than the "black" vote, maybe put up some metrics for the age groups. W/out even knowing these metrics I'd bet it proves that old racist ass crackers in this country are dieing off - and it's getting harder and harder to pass down white supremacist ideals to a much more educated and unbiased youth. These people never had a place in a country that prides itself on the "land of the fucking free". Those metrics will also probably prove that old ex-panther hypocritical ass n1ggg3r5 who think that they wake up every morning w/ "tha white man's" heel on their forehead and that's why he lives in poverty needs to save that excuse bc it's for the birds. They never had a legitimate place in this country either.

Should there be commemorative plates for Obama being the first african-american president? Or should he just be considered the next president? Should they have made such a big deal when Dungy and Lovie Smith met up in the Super as the first black coaches to coach against each other in a Super Bowl? The media hypes this shit up and puts it in people minds daily and you (not you bstone, just people) "sheep" bite into it w/ zeal. Obama, Dungy, and Smith are all people, that have all accomplished something, not because they are black, but because of their hard work.

[tony]

Tony, no one is arguing about the actual speech. People are all up in arms about the lesson plans that came with it. Some of the questions, such as the one I posted earlier, were an indoctrination to dependency on govt.

Lesson plan might have been over the top, if kids struggle to do their homework why are they going to take the time to do the lesson plan? Bad planning on the administration rather than a simple message, I agree with that.

[quickdodge®]

I take issue with this because it is well known that blacks vote proportionately Democrat anyway, the demographics of voters who turned out for Clinton mirror the numbers of those for Obama. Race may have motivated some but please believe being black does not suddenly give you an upper hand in being elected president.

Again I state that I don't/didn't mean all. And I didn't edit that post you quoted, either. I was going to say one thing and reversed myself and didn't correct. I didn't mean most blacks voted due to race. I meant a shitload did. All the videos, interviews, reports and other outlets have shown me this.

it is a sad state of affairs and an aggressive display of disrespect when people lash out at an individual for doing something positive, especially when that positive is for the benefit of kids.

I agree. But as long as he speaks to these children about their education and ONLY their education, then I don't really see that much of a problem with it. If he starts bringing in non-educational subjects, then he's crossing the line.

B/c my parents instilled morals in me that were not breakable by peer pressure, or some guy on TV or the radio.

I was raised exactly the same. But not everyone is. And not every child responds to the lessons that we were taught either. You know there are a lot of idiots out there whom I'm sure weren't taught to be idiots as children/growing up. They just did whatever anyway. They were peer-pressured anyway. I teach the same morals, kindness, values and all that to all my children. But that doesn't guarantee that they will grow up the way I'd like to see. I can only hope, man. Hope you see where I'm going with this.

To me, I'll just see how this plays out. I can envision monitors all over the place with "heads of states" blaring directives at us telling us every move, you know, lolol. <---- I don't mean it literally or think that's going to happen, but this is the first thing that pops in my mind.
Tony, ask Baby J, he knows who I am (in reality) when it comes to race, he'll tell you that I don't have to shoot from the hip on things. I did vote for Obama. Sometimes I question my vote. But he's my President and I respect him because I respect America. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

Lesson plan might have been over the top, if kids struggle to do their homework why are they going to take the time to do the lesson plan? Bad planning on the administration rather than a simple message, I agree with that.

Lesson plan was supposed to be a guided discussion. One of the discussions was about how kids need to listen to politicians and do as the politicians tell them. Yes I am paraphrasing.





I dont understand why race keeps popping up. You have the Gov of New Jersey claiming that he is losing the race there because the media hates blacks, and that the media will turn on Obama next. Yes, I am talking about the same media that cream their pants whenever Obama speaks.

I believe Rangle has brought up how anyone opposing Obama is a racist.

You had the guy on MSNBC that said socialist was a republican code word for he "n word".

When is it going to stop? Some blacks are using the claim of racism as a crutch. Until society as a whole refuses to accept that, it will never end.


I dont have the link and I am not looking for it again so dont ask. I read an article from Seattle yesterday that had to do with race. A black guy who I will assume is younger said that racism was everywhere in Seattle. He brought up a case where him and a few friends were talking down the street one night and a white lady crossed the street to avoid them.

To this guy I say, if you dont like the stereotype of groups of young black males, what are you doing to change that negative perception? The reason people avoid groups of young black males at night is because groups of young black males are about 10x more likely to commit a felony than a group of young white males. Need proof? just look at the robberies at GT downtown.

[tony]

I dont understand why race keeps popping up. You have the Gov of New Jersey claiming that he is losing the race there because the media hates blacks, and that the media will turn on Obama next. Yes, I am talking about the same media that cream their pants whenever Obama speaks.

I believe Rangle has brought up how anyone opposing Obama is a racist.

You had the guy on MSNBC that said socialist was a republican code word for he "n word".

When is it going to stop? Some blacks are using the claim of racism as a crutch. Until society as a whole refuses to accept that, it will never end.


I dont have the link and I am not looking for it again so dont ask. I read an article from Seattle yesterday that had to do with race. A black guy who I will assume is younger said that racism was everywhere in Seattle. He brought up a case where him and a few friends were talking down the street one night and a white lady crossed the street to avoid them.

To this guy I say, if you dont like the stereotype of groups of young black males, what are you doing to change that negative perception? The reason people avoid groups of young black males at night is because groups of young black males are about 10x more likely to commit a felony than a group of young white males. Need proof? just look at the robberies at GT downtown.

When you broil it down race is still there, it is an underlying issue and people seem to think because it is not in your face it does not exist. Is the perception that blacks are a certain way because of the robberies at GT or is it because you would be hard pressed to turn on the TV and see blacks represented in a positive light?

That question does not only pertain to blacks, it applies to hispanics being portrayed as Illegal Immigrants, the perception of interracial couples, the list goes on and on. I'd challenge anyone to take a course on Race and Ethnicity with an open mind, I'll admit even I overlooked a lot of social issues pertaining to race in our society.. and I figured myself to be quite aware.

I could sit here and explain a lot of things but it turns into an endless back and forth. This is no dig to you or anyone else but it is hard to grasp and kind of an uncomfortable subject if you are not the one who is subject to prejudice. It takes a level of objectivity that is far above the norm to sit down and really understand the issue of race rather than view the surface and nothing more.

[BanginJimmy]

When you broil it down race is still there, it is an underlying issue and people seem to think because it is not in your face it does not exist. Is the perception that blacks are a certain way because of the robberies at GT or is it because you would be hard pressed to turn on the TV and see blacks represented in a positive light?

Thats the problem. I cant think of the last time I really saw blacks as a group being portrayed in a positive light. Whether it be the movies, the news, or just around town. As far as the news goes, the blame for that falls squarely on them.

That question does not only pertain to blacks, it applies to hispanics being portrayed as Illegal Immigrants, the perception of interracial couples, the list goes on and on.

it applies to all racial groups. If you are walking down the street at night along and a group of white kids with combat boots, shaved hears and black suspenders are coming towards you. Are you going to walk right to them, or cross the street?

I'd challenge anyone to take a course on Race and Ethnicity with an open mind, I'll admit even I overlooked a lot of social issues pertaining to race in our society.. and I figured myself to be quite aware.

That class just reeks of an "african american studies" class. I can pretty much sum up that class with 2 words. Blame Whitey. Just look at the quality of people you have teaching it. Great people like Professor Gates come to mind.

I could sit here and explain a lot of things but it turns into an endless back and forth. This is no dig to you or anyone else but it is hard to grasp and kind of an uncomfortable subject if you are not the one who is subject to prejudice. It takes a level of objectivity that is far above the norm to sit down and really understand the issue of race rather than view the surface and nothing more.

Then I will only say that until the phrase "black man in America" goes away, there will always be the black man in America.

[TIGERJC]

I believe it to be true. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised if most black folks voted for Obama because of his skin color. Just as there are probably thousands upon thousands of white folks that voted for McCain because of Obama's skin color. I can't tell you how many countless times I've read, seen, heard interviews with black folks at Presidential rallies and parties where they re asked who Obama's running mate was. None, and I mean NONE, of them knew. They could not answer the question of who Obama was running against. Many of the people thought Obama was running against Bush. I would be hard pressed to believe that the folks that could not answer those questions voted for Obama for anything else than to have a black man in office.

Now when I'm quoted as being an ignorant racist (for the people that have no idea of my racial boundaries), I need for this part to be quoted as well. I did not say ALL black folks. Later, QD.

The media has agenda and thats why they always pick the dumbest individuals to interview. Now if you had numbers to back up your claim then I would agree. Now it is true that majority of blacks do vote democrat (For many years) and the majority of democrats just like republicans dont know who the hell they're voting for, and all they care about is about voting democrat or republican,.

[tony]

That class just reeks of an "african american studies" class. I can pretty much sum up that class with 2 words. Blame Whitey. Just look at the quality of people you have teaching it. Great people like Professor Gates come to mind.



Then I will only say that until the phrase "black man in America" goes away, there will always be the black man in America.

If you think African American studies is all about blaming white people then continue to bask in your ignorance, I mean it is bliss right? Thats like saying researching the strife of Native Americans is demonizing whites, truth hurts but that is our history.

And yes there always will be a "black man in America," strange how you'd want someone to deny who they are just to be called "American" without recognition of their heritage or identity. Being black is a part of who I am, is that racist? No, its called pride.

[BanginJimmy]

If you think African American studies is all about blaming white people then continue to bask in your ignorance, I mean it is bliss right? Thats like saying researching the strife of Native Americans is demonizing whites, truth hurts but that is our history.

And yes there always will be a "black man in America," strange how you'd want someone to deny who they are just to be called "American" without recognition of their heritage or identity. Being black is a part of who I am, is that racist? No, its called pride.

Here is something that I am sure are not in any AA studies books out there.
Black slave owners were the cruelest slave owners. I doubt there is any mention of black slave owners at all.

I am sure they cover all of the horid ways slaves were treated. How do they teach the circumstance of them being captured though? Do they say they are kidnapped, or do they say they were sold by tribal leaders for guns and tobbacco?

The black man comment obviously went over your head.

[quickdodge®]

The media has agenda and thats why they always pick the dumbest individuals to interview. Now if you had numbers to back up your claim then I would agree. Now it is true that majority of blacks do vote democrat (For many years) and the majority of democrats just like republicans dont know who the hell they're voting for, and all they care about is about voting democrat or republican,.

But that doesn't decimate the fact that these people exist. They were just exposed. I'm not giving out a number. I'm not saying a majority. I'm not even saying half. I'm saying there are a LOT of them out there. That's undeniable.

Is it safe to say that we can agree that no one will ever know the truth about why they voted for Obama except that person? Later, QD.

[tony]

Here is something that I am sure are not in any AA studies books out there.
Black slave owners were the cruelest slave owners. I doubt there is any mention of black slave owners at all.

I find it funny that YOU would comment on how slaves were treated and who did what. I don't claim to know what my ancestors went through, I can only empathize, read and try to gain a decent understanding. Now, I would love to see the supporting facts and information that shows black slave owners were more cruel than whites, especially when the harsh treatment of black slaves went largely undocumented.

lol This is entertaining, even in slavery you want to point the finger at blacks then wonder why race is still an issue in this country. To answer your question, yes African American studies does take the time to point out that slavery did not start here with white men, but I guess since you dismiss the class as blame whitey you wouldn't know that.

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I'd like to know why you bypassed me, Tony? Do I fall in the "ignorant" category? Later, QD.

[btstone]

On election night, ABC posted a graphic of the state of Indiana, (because they were one of the last states still going that late), and it color-coded the way votes were going in each county, or area. The whole state was McCain, except for pockets in Indianapolis, Bloomington, Muncie, Terre Haute, Vincennes, and South Bend. I literally jumped up while looking at the map and started pointing at my TV like a mad man. Why? Every county with a major university voted for Obama. That told me all I needed to know about that state.

What makes you qualified to know what "most blacks" know or think? I spent 8 years in the Air Force and let me tell you something... about the places I have been - say Iraq for starters. Over there, they weren't trying to kill "African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Mexican-Americans", they just wanted to kill AMERICANS... we are the only people in the world that devide ourselves into little groups. It's stupid.

BSTONE -- you take care of your family. You lend tools to a racer when he is down, even if it means when he gets his piece of shit back together you lose a race to him. People take care of their own. The Indians (w/ a dot, not a feather - lol) do it better than any group on the planet, and I'd bet that the white man is in the top 5. "My" people are just now figuring that out in the last 20 years or so --- so forgive them if they want to vote for something familiar. If $5 is keeping me from feeding my family, no you can't borrow it. That does NOT mean that I am a racist. It's damn near IMPOSSIBLE for a white man to understand universal issues that all people are seeing. Just as it will be impossible for Obama to do the same. But what Obama DOES have is knowledge of how to swim on BOTH sides of that pond - something McCain did not have. McCain is brilliant, even though his "reality" of what we needed in a president was skewed (IMO). I've had this conversation w/ "black voters" (as you say) --- and I laughed at people who said "he's black, so we should vote for him." It sounded a WHOLE lot to me that you implied in your post that "most" of the racism is rooted in the black community --- keep me honest here and correct me if I am wrong w/ that statement. PLEASE tell me what kinds of racism you have had to endure. I'd bet that in the grand scheme of your life it doesn't amount to much and has not been life-changing - it probably changed nothing more than your mood. If I am wrong, then you are the anomally and def not the norm. I also fail to see how the way 1 votes for President can be directly tied to racism.

i didnt say anyone was racist. re-read my post. i was stating, mainly form a regionaly prespective, that most black ppl are conservative. i can see clearly on both sides of the pond/ i have a background that is EXTREMELY diverse. i am going off just questions and opinions i get from ppl. it is not impossible for anyone to see universal issues. it is that many ppl choose not to. its all in perception. i am open to all races. weather anyone wants to admit it or not, races and cultures are diff. they at diff. they will always be diff. i was just pointing out that many black ppl (region only, i dont know how another race acts outside of atl) are conservative but vote democratic because of various issues i dont have time at work to type. im just being honest. no ones wants to be honest anymore. everyone wants to hide behind "racism" accusations and political correctness.
i have taken a ethnic studies class. i was the only white kid in the class. i got berated everyday. i was told i was spoiled and i was blessed with a silver spoon in my mouth. no one in the class even knew my name. they did not know that i didnt grow up with a lot of money. they did not know that both my parents worked very hard just to keep the lights on. they didnt know i am the first person in my ENTIRE family to even go to college. they just saw the white skin and assumed. i was vilified the moment i walked in the door. tell me who is racist. we ended up having to write a paper about our views and background and present it to the class. i spoke of my 2 best friends being black and how i grew up and how i have around a 50/50 number of black/white friends. and how i work my ass off for my cars and and house and job. once i was done, i was laughed at and told "it didnt seem accurate". wtf is an ethnic course for if everyone goes in there with a close mind. i am just stating what happens on a day to day basis. this kind of shit happens all the time.

[Total_Blender]

. i spoke of my 2 best friends being black and how i grew up and how i have around a 50/50 number of black/white friends. and how i work my ass off for my cars and and house and job. once i was done, i was laughed at and told "it didnt seem accurate". .

So you wrote a paper that said "I'm not racist, I have Black friends".

I've typed out long explanations of double consciousness as explained in W.E.B Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk but its really just a waste of time because none of you guys really give a shit about thinking outside the box of your own experiences of being socialized as White people.

The point of AA studies and the name "African American" is that Blacks in America have had a different experience as Americans than Whites because of slavery and the disenfranchisement/social inequality that followed it.