Obama ...........delusional? or just outright deceitful

[Tracy]

This is where things get grey on Obama. What Obama says and what Obama does requires close scrutiny moving forward in a major plan such as this one. Personally I believe that small business a vital lifeline to this country and should be treated as such. The sacrifice small business owners make is already significant enough and a Universal plan should ease the burden of what you deal with.. keyword is SHOULD. That is where the scrutiny comes. A Universal plan should actually encourage entrepreneurship due to the fact that if someone decides to take that leap and venture on their own they will not have to worry about the cost of covering their family and/or their employees. This is just where you would have to take a close look at the plan. I suggest factcheck.org

Now, corporations with special interest groups, lobbyists, different story.

And this is exactly where I was going. It will require very close discretion and scrutiny. I wanted the point to be made that Dan and I aren't rich, but we fall under that category with our small business. I am for change, but not without close consideration to all aspects and I want to know where the line is to be drawn? Money the end all be all? or do we consider anything like what I presented in my brothers circumstances?

I don't care to look at the website for discussion purposes. I am discussing HERE for debate purposes. I am asking YOU what YOU think. YOU are voter, aren't you? We ALL make the decision and your personal opinion should count if the system works right. So ultimately, it matter how you feel all of this should be worked out. I am not asking for facts. I am asking for your opinion on the solution. Maybe it has been proposed, maybe not. So I don't feel the need to go to the site.

[tony]

And this is exactly where I was going. It will require very close discretion and scrutiny. I wanted the point to be made that Dan and I aren't rich, but we fall under that category with our small business.I am for change, but not without close consideration to all aspects.

I don't care to look at the website for discussion purposes. I am discussing HERE for debate purposes. I am asking YOU what YOU think. YOU are voter, aren't you? We ALL make the decision and your personal opinion should count if the system works right. So ultimately, it matter how you feel all of this should be worked out. I am not asking for facts. I am asking for your opinion on the solution. Maybe it has been proposed, maybe not. So I don't feel the need to go to the site.

Heres the thing, Government without scrutiny is dangerous in itself. I tell this to my friends who are liberal, government programs are all well and good but if the people are not educated then there is no balance. This is why I get annoyed when political debates get less ratings than American Idol. Or threads like these get very little attention other than one liners from people who just don't like (or do like) this plan.

Along with a universal plan needs to come initiatives on healthy lifestyles.. and I don't mean from the government. There has to be personal accountability as well from individuals, how that happens I do not know but it can be done.

[Vteckidd]

Along with a universal plan needs to come initiatives on healthy lifestyles.. and I don't mean from the government. There has to be personal accountability as well from individuals, how that happens I do not know but it can be done.

Im totally against that. Im for free choice. If i want to go have a god damn triple whopper with cheese with a side of Bacon and fried chicken, let me do it. If i want to smoke a pack of marlboro reds and die of cancer, let me do it in peace.

You have no right to tell me how to live my life as long as i dont infringe upon your rights.

Do you smoke? You prob dont. Why not? Because its VERY BAD FOR YOU. But people still do it right? Cause they choose to. There isnt a soul in america right now that believes cigs are good for them or that they arent bad. Everyone knows its bad. But people still do it.

Everyone knows that Mceedees is BAD for you, but people still eat there. Why? Choice! If i want to lose 20 lbs i dont go scarf down cheeseburgers at mcdonalds.

You cant legislate a healthy lifestyle. And yeah health care for SMOKERS costs more than NON SMOKERS. My insurance went up $50 per month because i smoke. Go figure.

[tony]

Im totally against that. Im for free choice. If i want to go have a god damn triple whopper with cheese with a side of Bacon and fried chicken, let me do it. If i want to smoke a pack of marlboro reds and die of cancer, let me do it in peace.

You have no right to tell me how to live my life as long as i dont infringe upon your rights.

Do you smoke? You prob dont. Why not? Because its VERY BAD FOR YOU. But people still do it right? Cause they choose to. There isnt a soul in america right now that believes cigs are good for them or that they arent bad. Everyone knows its bad. But people still do it.

Everyone knows that Mceedees is BAD for you, but people still eat there. Why? Choice! If i want to lose 20 lbs i dont go scarf down cheeseburgers at mcdonalds.

You cant legislate a healthy lifestyle. And yeah health care for SMOKERS costs more than NON SMOKERS. My insurance went up $50 per month because i smoke. Go figure.

I guess you missed the part where I said "not from the government" and "personal accountability."